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Nalod
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12/16/2015  9:57 AM
HOward makes over 22m this year, 23m next. Rockets should dump him if they can. Reality is they made a nice run last year and are coming back to .500 so its not a lost cause. If this was his last year any contender would make every effort as a healthy Dwight for a short run, and one engaged could make a big difference.

The outlook for salary cap is it goes up, but might not sustain.

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12/16/2015  10:30 AM
Nalod wrote:HOward makes over 22m this year, 23m next. Rockets should dump him if they can. Reality is they made a nice run last year and are coming back to .500 so its not a lost cause. If this was his last year any contender would make every effort as a healthy Dwight for a short run, and one engaged could make a big difference.

The outlook for salary cap is it goes up, but might not sustain.

JUST a hypothetical if Phil want another reset though Houston likely passes.

$23 (Howard) - $13 (Lopez), -$5 (Williams) -$8 (Calderon)= -3 or 3 mil less NYK payroll. Houston throws in expiries in Harrell and Terry to offset , result is we have $3 more avaialble for 17 FA and a pos diva who is playing for last deal and is more impactful on both ends than Lopez ON COURT for a year and a half . Makes us a more competitive team in the short run and allows decisions from there including letting Howard walk and reinvesting his expiring $23 in another fa. Howard doesnt have a jumper but he draws defenders low and opens up perimeter for Melo and KP

Many beetching about $ tied up in Lopez, Williams option that will be exercised and Calderon deficiencies. Here is chance to shed and get better withthe downside being having to stomach a jockssss for 1.5 yrs

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12/16/2015  11:10 AM
meloanyk wrote:
Nalod wrote:HOward makes over 22m this year, 23m next. Rockets should dump him if they can. Reality is they made a nice run last year and are coming back to .500 so its not a lost cause. If this was his last year any contender would make every effort as a healthy Dwight for a short run, and one engaged could make a big difference.

The outlook for salary cap is it goes up, but might not sustain.

JUST a hypothetical if Phil want another reset though Houston likely passes.

$23 (Howard) - $13 (Lopez), -$5 (Williams) -$8 (Calderon)= -3 or 3 mil less NYK payroll. Houston throws in expiries in Harrell and Terry to offset , result is we have $3 more avaialble for 17 FA and a pos diva who is playing for last deal and is more impactful on both ends than Lopez ON COURT for a year and a half . Makes us a more competitive team in the short run and allows decisions from there including letting Howard walk and reinvesting his expiring $23 in another fa. Howard doesnt have a jumper but he draws defenders low and opens up perimeter for Melo and KP

Many beetching about $ tied up in Lopez, Williams option that will be exercised and Calderon deficiencies. Here is chance to shed and get better withthe downside being having to stomach a jockssss for 1.5 yrs

why would houston do this? If they trade howard it will be for valuable assets.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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12/16/2015  11:31 AM
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Nalod wrote:HOward makes over 22m this year, 23m next. Rockets should dump him if they can. Reality is they made a nice run last year and are coming back to .500 so its not a lost cause. If this was his last year any contender would make every effort as a healthy Dwight for a short run, and one engaged could make a big difference.

The outlook for salary cap is it goes up, but might not sustain.

JUST a hypothetical if Phil want another reset though Houston likely passes.

$23 (Howard) - $13 (Lopez), -$5 (Williams) -$8 (Calderon)= -3 or 3 mil less NYK payroll. Houston throws in expiries in Harrell and Terry to offset , result is we have $3 more avaialble for 17 FA and a pos diva who is playing for last deal and is more impactful on both ends than Lopez ON COURT for a year and a half . Makes us a more competitive team in the short run and allows decisions from there including letting Howard walk and reinvesting his expiring $23 in another fa. Howard doesnt have a jumper but he draws defenders low and opens up perimeter for Melo and KP

Many beetching about $ tied up in Lopez, Williams option that will be exercised and Calderon deficiencies. Here is chance to shed and get better withthe downside being having to stomach a jockssss for 1.5 yrs

Harrell is a pretty darn good prospect. Your throwing him in. Makes the deal worse for Houstan. To me, the prize with Miami is an asset like Winslow. Miami has to send 22 mil back. That's not easy.

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12/16/2015  11:31 AM
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meloanyk wrote:
Nalod wrote:HOward makes over 22m this year, 23m next. Rockets should dump him if they can. Reality is they made a nice run last year and are coming back to .500 so its not a lost cause. If this was his last year any contender would make every effort as a healthy Dwight for a short run, and one engaged could make a big difference.

The outlook for salary cap is it goes up, but might not sustain.

JUST a hypothetical if Phil want another reset though Houston likely passes.

$23 (Howard) - $13 (Lopez), -$5 (Williams) -$8 (Calderon)= -3 or 3 mil less NYK payroll. Houston throws in expiries in Harrell and Terry to offset , result is we have $3 more avaialble for 17 FA and a pos diva who is playing for last deal and is more impactful on both ends than Lopez ON COURT for a year and a half . Makes us a more competitive team in the short run and allows decisions from there including letting Howard walk and reinvesting his expiring $23 in another fa. Howard doesnt have a jumper but he draws defenders low and opens up perimeter for Melo and KP

Many beetching about $ tied up in Lopez, Williams option that will be exercised and Calderon deficiencies. Here is chance to shed and get better withthe downside being having to stomach a jockssss for 1.5 yrs

why would houston do this? If they trade howard it will be for valuable assets.

While I agree that Houston will want more in a trade... I question how many assets he'd actually bring back. Going by your WS48 stat, Dwight (.117) is essentially comparable to Jose Calderon (.114) right now.

You trade for Dwight - you know a) he's a diva, b) he can't play in back to back games, c) he can't shoot free throws and becomes a liability in close games.

Who gives up even 1 first round pick for the honor of paying $45M over the next two seasons for a part time player, full time diva?

Not saying I want Dwight on the Knicks. Because I don't.

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12/16/2015  11:42 AM
crzymdups wrote:
mreinman wrote:
meloanyk wrote:
Nalod wrote:HOward makes over 22m this year, 23m next. Rockets should dump him if they can. Reality is they made a nice run last year and are coming back to .500 so its not a lost cause. If this was his last year any contender would make every effort as a healthy Dwight for a short run, and one engaged could make a big difference.

The outlook for salary cap is it goes up, but might not sustain.

JUST a hypothetical if Phil want another reset though Houston likely passes.

$23 (Howard) - $13 (Lopez), -$5 (Williams) -$8 (Calderon)= -3 or 3 mil less NYK payroll. Houston throws in expiries in Harrell and Terry to offset , result is we have $3 more avaialble for 17 FA and a pos diva who is playing for last deal and is more impactful on both ends than Lopez ON COURT for a year and a half . Makes us a more competitive team in the short run and allows decisions from there including letting Howard walk and reinvesting his expiring $23 in another fa. Howard doesnt have a jumper but he draws defenders low and opens up perimeter for Melo and KP

Many beetching about $ tied up in Lopez, Williams option that will be exercised and Calderon deficiencies. Here is chance to shed and get better withthe downside being having to stomach a jockssss for 1.5 yrs

why would houston do this? If they trade howard it will be for valuable assets.

While I agree that Houston will want more in a trade... I question how many assets he'd actually bring back. Going by your WS48 stat, Dwight (.117) is essentially comparable to Jose Calderon (.114) right now.

You trade for Dwight - you know a) he's a diva, b) he can't play in back to back games, c) he can't shoot free throws and becomes a liability in close games.

Who gives up even 1 first round pick for the honor of paying $45M over the next two seasons for a part time player, full time diva?

Not saying I want Dwight on the Knicks. Because I don't.

Can't compare WS of a big to a PG. And, there is a HUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE defensive diff.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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12/16/2015  11:48 AM
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crzymdups wrote:
mreinman wrote:
meloanyk wrote:
Nalod wrote:HOward makes over 22m this year, 23m next. Rockets should dump him if they can. Reality is they made a nice run last year and are coming back to .500 so its not a lost cause. If this was his last year any contender would make every effort as a healthy Dwight for a short run, and one engaged could make a big difference.

The outlook for salary cap is it goes up, but might not sustain.

JUST a hypothetical if Phil want another reset though Houston likely passes.

$23 (Howard) - $13 (Lopez), -$5 (Williams) -$8 (Calderon)= -3 or 3 mil less NYK payroll. Houston throws in expiries in Harrell and Terry to offset , result is we have $3 more avaialble for 17 FA and a pos diva who is playing for last deal and is more impactful on both ends than Lopez ON COURT for a year and a half . Makes us a more competitive team in the short run and allows decisions from there including letting Howard walk and reinvesting his expiring $23 in another fa. Howard doesnt have a jumper but he draws defenders low and opens up perimeter for Melo and KP

Many beetching about $ tied up in Lopez, Williams option that will be exercised and Calderon deficiencies. Here is chance to shed and get better withthe downside being having to stomach a jockssss for 1.5 yrs

why would houston do this? If they trade howard it will be for valuable assets.

While I agree that Houston will want more in a trade... I question how many assets he'd actually bring back. Going by your WS48 stat, Dwight (.117) is essentially comparable to Jose Calderon (.114) right now.

You trade for Dwight - you know a) he's a diva, b) he can't play in back to back games, c) he can't shoot free throws and becomes a liability in close games.

Who gives up even 1 first round pick for the honor of paying $45M over the next two seasons for a part time player, full time diva?

Not saying I want Dwight on the Knicks. Because I don't.

Can't compare WS of a big to a PG. And, there is a HUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE defensive diff.

I thought WS48 included defensive win shares.

Are you saying that this metric might not be the be all and end all?? Are you saying basketball is more nuanced than WS48 can show??? I think I have to sit down.

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12/16/2015  12:26 PM
mreinman wrote:
meloanyk wrote:
Nalod wrote:HOward makes over 22m this year, 23m next. Rockets should dump him if they can. Reality is they made a nice run last year and are coming back to .500 so its not a lost cause. If this was his last year any contender would make every effort as a healthy Dwight for a short run, and one engaged could make a big difference.

The outlook for salary cap is it goes up, but might not sustain.

JUST a hypothetical if Phil want another reset though Houston likely passes.

$23 (Howard) - $13 (Lopez), -$5 (Williams) -$8 (Calderon)= -3 or 3 mil less NYK payroll. Houston throws in expiries in Harrell and Terry to offset , result is we have $3 more avaialble for 17 FA and a pos diva who is playing for last deal and is more impactful on both ends than Lopez ON COURT for a year and a half . Makes us a more competitive team in the short run and allows decisions from there including letting Howard walk and reinvesting his expiring $23 in another fa. Howard doesnt have a jumper but he draws defenders low and opens up perimeter for Melo and KP

Many beetching about $ tied up in Lopez, Williams option that will be exercised and Calderon deficiencies. Here is chance to shed and get better withthe downside being having to stomach a jockssss for 1.5 yrs

why would houston do this? If they trade howard it will be for valuable assets.

"Houston likely passess" --however no one, not you or I or anyone else, knows what motivates a trade or how valuable certain players are truly viewed beyond the white noise of blabbering fools or how they are seen by orgs as fits. The easy part is matching off dollars in a trade , then team needs then how it may fit personnel. Its a hypothetical, it works dollar wise, it fills certain holes and players may fit playing off Harden. 'Houston likely passesss"

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12/16/2015  12:41 PM
Nalod wrote:
meloanyk wrote:
Nalod wrote:HOward makes over 22m this year, 23m next. Rockets should dump him if they can. Reality is they made a nice run last year and are coming back to .500 so its not a lost cause. If this was his last year any contender would make every effort as a healthy Dwight for a short run, and one engaged could make a big difference.

The outlook for salary cap is it goes up, but might not sustain.

JUST a hypothetical if Phil want another reset though Houston likely passes.

$23 (Howard) - $13 (Lopez), -$5 (Williams) -$8 (Calderon)= -3 or 3 mil less NYK payroll. Houston throws in expiries in Harrell and Terry to offset , result is we have $3 more avaialble for 17 FA and a pos diva who is playing for last deal and is more impactful on both ends than Lopez ON COURT for a year and a half . Makes us a more competitive team in the short run and allows decisions from there including letting Howard walk and reinvesting his expiring $23 in another fa. Howard doesnt have a jumper but he draws defenders low and opens up perimeter for Melo and KP

Many beetching about $ tied up in Lopez, Williams option that will be exercised and Calderon deficiencies. Here is chance to shed and get better withthe downside being having to stomach a jockssss for 1.5 yrs

Harrell is a pretty darn good prospect. Your throwing him in. Makes the deal worse for Houstan. To me, the prize with Miami is an asset like Winslow. Miami has to send 22 mil back. That's not easy.


Harrell was filler, pick another if you will . Is he a pretty darn good prospect or just another major college player that had exposure but fell to second rd like Early because scouts see flaws? Early looks like a good prospect to fans of other teams because they remember his Wichita St games. Ive watched 4 Houston games agaisnt Knicks and Nets and think Ive seen a glimpse of him once , know he was sent down to NBDL before they needed a warm body again
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12/16/2015  1:08 PM
I saw this kid play in the ACC tournament last spring. Dude is 6-8, 250 with a 7'4 wingspan!!
He was grabbing everything in sight. Same day got to see Grant play for the second time that season in person!

Scouting Report by Jonathan Givony. Video Analysis by Mike Schmitz

Montrezel Harrell surprised many by electing to return for his junior season at Louisville after elevating his draft stock into firm first round territory in 2014, being ranked 20th on our Top-100 prospect rankings prior to his announcement. Twelve months later, Harrell's outlook doesn't look all that different, after coming off a very similar season, but now being a year older.

Harrell does not possess great height for an NBA big man, as he was measured at just a hair under 6-6 without shoes at the 2013 USA Basketball U19 tryouts. Louisville lists him at 6-8 in shoes, which is regardless undersized, even if his 7-3 wingspan certainly helps make up for that. He also possesses a strong, 240 pound, and excellent athletic ability, being extremely quick getting up and down the floor and highly explosive as a leaper.

(Video may not load with Internet Explorer. Use Chrome or Firefox)

Harrell is a relentless floor-runner, getting out regularly in transition beating opposing big men down the court. He's a constant target for lobs and alley-oop plays in both the half and full court, and is a terrific finisher around the basket in general, converting a terrific 65% of his attempts around the rim on the season. He seems to relish taking contact around the basket, drawing free throws at a solid rate in return.

Harrell expanded his offensive game somewhat as a junior, going from being able to score strictly off catch and finish plays as a freshman to someone who can do a little bit more than that as his college career progressed. His jump-shot is far from consistent, but has shown some improvement, as he hit nine 3-pointers on the season and saw his free throw percentage go from a dismal 46% as a sophomore to a more respectable 60% as a junior. He also shows nice quickness taking opposing big men off the dribble in a straight line, with a strong first step and the aggressiveness needed to draw some fouls off the bounce in small doses.


US Presswire


Harrell's relentless nature, combined with his quick second jump makes him a very solid presence on the offensive glass. He averaged 3.9 per-40 offensive rebounds for his career, despite his lack of height, as he often seems to simply want the ball more than his opponents, and will go well out of his area to pursue it.

Defensively is where Harrell figures to make his mark at the NBA level, as he has a relentless motor to go along with strong physical tools (length, strength, athleticism), and will often be seen sacrificing his body and diving on the floor for loose balls, not being afraid of anyone or trying anything to get the job done.

Harrell can hold his own against taller big men and rarely gets backed down inside the paint due to his tough and physical style of play. He's also versatile enough to do some things on the perimeter, hedging screens, trapping, and recovering effectively, while being quick enough to switch onto guards and not get beat off the bounce.

Harrell isn't the most disciplined defender, as he gets by more on effort and aggressiveness than great fundamentals, but is very much a playmaker out on the court, averaging 1.2 steals and 1.6 blocks per-40 minutes in his college career.

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Despite drawing comparisons to the likes of Kenneth Faried, Harrell is not a particularly gifted defensive rebounder, averaging just 6.4 per-40 minutes over the course of his Louisville career, a figure that remained relatively consistent for all three years. His lack of size and reach affects him here more than in other parts of the game seemingly, as does his propensity for flying around and attempting to challenge every shot he can at the rim, which often leaves him out of position on the glass. Part of this is certainly systematic, a product of Louisville's game-plan, but some of it is due to Harrell's average awareness on the floor. Louisville plays a very aggressive 2-3 zone defense with Harrell on the wing, which certainly is not ideal for being a high volume defensive rebounder.

Harrell's average awareness translates to the offensive end as well, where he is not a great decision maker and does not appear to be the type of player a team can run much offense through from the high post. His 7.5% assist percentage for his career is a very poor rate, as he posted just over 100 assists in nearly 3000 minutes of action, or one for every 29 minutes he's on the floor. He struggles with double-teams, and is prone to making bad decisions with the ball at times, relying on his instincts and aggressiveness more than you'd like, showing just an average feel for the game.

It remains to be seen how Harrell will score consistently in an NBA half-court setting, as he doesn't have one overly polished skill you can point to, besides his tremendous motor. His touch around the basket is average, and his footwork is underdeveloped, while his shooting range is very much a work in progress and may never be something a coach can consistently rely on. Harrell will make a living off hustle plays, but with the way the league is evolving, teams often are hoping for a higher skill-level from the power forward position.

Nevertheless, there is a place for players like Harrell still in a NBA rotation, as a physical and ultra-aggressive role-player who comes in and does the dirty work. That might not get him drafted in the lottery, but it can certainly help him carve out a long career.

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12/16/2015  1:17 PM
Nalod wrote:I saw this kid play in the ACC tournament last spring. Dude is 6-8, 250 with a 7'4 wingspan!!
He was grabbing everything in sight. Same day got to see Grant play for the second time that season in person!

Scouting Report by Jonathan Givony. Video Analysis by Mike Schmitz

Montrezel Harrell surprised many by electing to return for his junior season at Louisville after elevating his draft stock into firm first round territory in 2014, being ranked 20th on our Top-100 prospect rankings prior to his announcement. Twelve months later, Harrell's outlook doesn't look all that different, after coming off a very similar season, but now being a year older.

Harrell does not possess great height for an NBA big man, as he was measured at just a hair under 6-6 without shoes at the 2013 USA Basketball U19 tryouts. Louisville lists him at 6-8 in shoes, which is regardless undersized, even if his 7-3 wingspan certainly helps make up for that. He also possesses a strong, 240 pound, and excellent athletic ability, being extremely quick getting up and down the floor and highly explosive as a leaper.

(Video may not load with Internet Explorer. Use Chrome or Firefox)

Harrell is a relentless floor-runner, getting out regularly in transition beating opposing big men down the court. He's a constant target for lobs and alley-oop plays in both the half and full court, and is a terrific finisher around the basket in general, converting a terrific 65% of his attempts around the rim on the season. He seems to relish taking contact around the basket, drawing free throws at a solid rate in return.

Harrell expanded his offensive game somewhat as a junior, going from being able to score strictly off catch and finish plays as a freshman to someone who can do a little bit more than that as his college career progressed. His jump-shot is far from consistent, but has shown some improvement, as he hit nine 3-pointers on the season and saw his free throw percentage go from a dismal 46% as a sophomore to a more respectable 60% as a junior. He also shows nice quickness taking opposing big men off the dribble in a straight line, with a strong first step and the aggressiveness needed to draw some fouls off the bounce in small doses.


US Presswire


Harrell's relentless nature, combined with his quick second jump makes him a very solid presence on the offensive glass. He averaged 3.9 per-40 offensive rebounds for his career, despite his lack of height, as he often seems to simply want the ball more than his opponents, and will go well out of his area to pursue it.

Defensively is where Harrell figures to make his mark at the NBA level, as he has a relentless motor to go along with strong physical tools (length, strength, athleticism), and will often be seen sacrificing his body and diving on the floor for loose balls, not being afraid of anyone or trying anything to get the job done.

Harrell can hold his own against taller big men and rarely gets backed down inside the paint due to his tough and physical style of play. He's also versatile enough to do some things on the perimeter, hedging screens, trapping, and recovering effectively, while being quick enough to switch onto guards and not get beat off the bounce.

Harrell isn't the most disciplined defender, as he gets by more on effort and aggressiveness than great fundamentals, but is very much a playmaker out on the court, averaging 1.2 steals and 1.6 blocks per-40 minutes in his college career.

(Video may not load with Internet Explorer. Use Chrome or Firefox)

Despite drawing comparisons to the likes of Kenneth Faried, Harrell is not a particularly gifted defensive rebounder, averaging just 6.4 per-40 minutes over the course of his Louisville career, a figure that remained relatively consistent for all three years. His lack of size and reach affects him here more than in other parts of the game seemingly, as does his propensity for flying around and attempting to challenge every shot he can at the rim, which often leaves him out of position on the glass. Part of this is certainly systematic, a product of Louisville's game-plan, but some of it is due to Harrell's average awareness on the floor. Louisville plays a very aggressive 2-3 zone defense with Harrell on the wing, which certainly is not ideal for being a high volume defensive rebounder.

Harrell's average awareness translates to the offensive end as well, where he is not a great decision maker and does not appear to be the type of player a team can run much offense through from the high post. His 7.5% assist percentage for his career is a very poor rate, as he posted just over 100 assists in nearly 3000 minutes of action, or one for every 29 minutes he's on the floor. He struggles with double-teams, and is prone to making bad decisions with the ball at times, relying on his instincts and aggressiveness more than you'd like, showing just an average feel for the game.

It remains to be seen how Harrell will score consistently in an NBA half-court setting, as he doesn't have one overly polished skill you can point to, besides his tremendous motor. His touch around the basket is average, and his footwork is underdeveloped, while his shooting range is very much a work in progress and may never be something a coach can consistently rely on. Harrell will make a living off hustle plays, but with the way the league is evolving, teams often are hoping for a higher skill-level from the power forward position.

Nevertheless, there is a place for players like Harrell still in a NBA rotation, as a physical and ultra-aggressive role-player who comes in and does the dirty work. That might not get him drafted in the lottery, but it can certainly help him carve out a long career.

Thanks but where is that fella Briggs when you want him take on a kid. Lol

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12/16/2015  1:17 PM
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mreinman wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
mreinman wrote:
meloanyk wrote:
Nalod wrote:HOward makes over 22m this year, 23m next. Rockets should dump him if they can. Reality is they made a nice run last year and are coming back to .500 so its not a lost cause. If this was his last year any contender would make every effort as a healthy Dwight for a short run, and one engaged could make a big difference.

The outlook for salary cap is it goes up, but might not sustain.

JUST a hypothetical if Phil want another reset though Houston likely passes.

$23 (Howard) - $13 (Lopez), -$5 (Williams) -$8 (Calderon)= -3 or 3 mil less NYK payroll. Houston throws in expiries in Harrell and Terry to offset , result is we have $3 more avaialble for 17 FA and a pos diva who is playing for last deal and is more impactful on both ends than Lopez ON COURT for a year and a half . Makes us a more competitive team in the short run and allows decisions from there including letting Howard walk and reinvesting his expiring $23 in another fa. Howard doesnt have a jumper but he draws defenders low and opens up perimeter for Melo and KP

Many beetching about $ tied up in Lopez, Williams option that will be exercised and Calderon deficiencies. Here is chance to shed and get better withthe downside being having to stomach a jockssss for 1.5 yrs

why would houston do this? If they trade howard it will be for valuable assets.

While I agree that Houston will want more in a trade... I question how many assets he'd actually bring back. Going by your WS48 stat, Dwight (.117) is essentially comparable to Jose Calderon (.114) right now.

You trade for Dwight - you know a) he's a diva, b) he can't play in back to back games, c) he can't shoot free throws and becomes a liability in close games.

Who gives up even 1 first round pick for the honor of paying $45M over the next two seasons for a part time player, full time diva?

Not saying I want Dwight on the Knicks. Because I don't.

Can't compare WS of a big to a PG. And, there is a HUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE defensive diff.

I thought WS48 included defensive win shares.

Are you saying that this metric might not be the be all and end all?? Are you saying basketball is more nuanced than WS48 can show??? I think I have to sit down.

No WS48 is not the end all and be all. Please see my sig.

Defensive advanced stats are weak at best.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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12/16/2015  1:19 PM
meloanyk wrote:
mreinman wrote:
meloanyk wrote:
Nalod wrote:HOward makes over 22m this year, 23m next. Rockets should dump him if they can. Reality is they made a nice run last year and are coming back to .500 so its not a lost cause. If this was his last year any contender would make every effort as a healthy Dwight for a short run, and one engaged could make a big difference.

The outlook for salary cap is it goes up, but might not sustain.

JUST a hypothetical if Phil want another reset though Houston likely passes.

$23 (Howard) - $13 (Lopez), -$5 (Williams) -$8 (Calderon)= -3 or 3 mil less NYK payroll. Houston throws in expiries in Harrell and Terry to offset , result is we have $3 more avaialble for 17 FA and a pos diva who is playing for last deal and is more impactful on both ends than Lopez ON COURT for a year and a half . Makes us a more competitive team in the short run and allows decisions from there including letting Howard walk and reinvesting his expiring $23 in another fa. Howard doesnt have a jumper but he draws defenders low and opens up perimeter for Melo and KP

Many beetching about $ tied up in Lopez, Williams option that will be exercised and Calderon deficiencies. Here is chance to shed and get better withthe downside being having to stomach a jockssss for 1.5 yrs

why would houston do this? If they trade howard it will be for valuable assets.

"Houston likely passess" --however no one, not you or I or anyone else, knows what motivates a trade or how valuable certain players are truly viewed beyond the white noise of blabbering fools or how they are seen by orgs as fits. The easy part is matching off dollars in a trade , then team needs then how it may fit personnel. Its a hypothetical, it works dollar wise, it fills certain holes and players may fit playing off Harden. 'Houston likely passesss"

that was certainly the case in the tyson trade.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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12/16/2015  1:36 PM
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meloanyk wrote:
mreinman wrote:
meloanyk wrote:
Nalod wrote:HOward makes over 22m this year, 23m next. Rockets should dump him if they can. Reality is they made a nice run last year and are coming back to .500 so its not a lost cause. If this was his last year any contender would make every effort as a healthy Dwight for a short run, and one engaged could make a big difference.

The outlook for salary cap is it goes up, but might not sustain.

JUST a hypothetical if Phil want another reset though Houston likely passes.

$23 (Howard) - $13 (Lopez), -$5 (Williams) -$8 (Calderon)= -3 or 3 mil less NYK payroll. Houston throws in expiries in Harrell and Terry to offset , result is we have $3 more avaialble for 17 FA and a pos diva who is playing for last deal and is more impactful on both ends than Lopez ON COURT for a year and a half . Makes us a more competitive team in the short run and allows decisions from there including letting Howard walk and reinvesting his expiring $23 in another fa. Howard doesnt have a jumper but he draws defenders low and opens up perimeter for Melo and KP

Many beetching about $ tied up in Lopez, Williams option that will be exercised and Calderon deficiencies. Here is chance to shed and get better withthe downside being having to stomach a jockssss for 1.5 yrs

why would houston do this? If they trade howard it will be for valuable assets.

"Houston likely passess" --however no one, not you or I or anyone else, knows what motivates a trade or how valuable certain players are truly viewed beyond the white noise of blabbering fools or how they are seen by orgs as fits. The easy part is matching off dollars in a trade , then team needs then how it may fit personnel. Its a hypothetical, it works dollar wise, it fills certain holes and players may fit playing off Harden. 'Houston likely passesss"

that was certainly the case in the tyson trade.


Yep. Im just put forth a hypo. I wouldnt be surprised at any package for Howard given the variables whether it be a "overpay' "steal" or "fair". In his prime many teams were likely to overpay but now he comes with many more questions and his worth is different to many
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12/16/2015  4:25 PM
My holiday wish list is a PG to reduce Calderon's minutes, keep him healthy for the second half of the season, and give the Knicks a better chance of making the playoffs. If not I hope Grant blows up after the All Star break, if not sooner.
12/15/2015 Trade Mania starts!!!

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