crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:Have no idea what the word "Real" means to some.

5APG is "real?" Wish Melo could average 5 APG...did not do it in his prime, though- never even cracked 4. He has been a much better distributor at times this year, which I like. He should continue to do it, even if guys are missing too many of the good looks he gets them.

If he is scoring 28PPG it will mean that the offense is broken and Anthony is putting up a ton of shots, since he is not going to have the 62% from the field he had the other day. This is not "real," and not good for the team, either.

If the Knicks are not winning, and he is averaging 28PPG, who cares. If he's doing it, and we are winning and the team is playing like a team, then I can accept it.

You know you have a losing team when fans cling to the statistics other than the winning % of their team. If you play the right way and win, the good stats will be there to cherish and roll about in like a pig in mud.

Most important thing for this season though is the development of our "younger" players, and I'm not just talking about the rookies. Have to see if we have something in Williams, Gallo, and O'Quinn, and I'd really like to know if Early has a future with the team.

At this time I'm probably more willing to accept a certain kind of play if it can somehow sneak us into the playoff picture because it would be good for the franchise and a selling point to FAs, but if a situation develops where there is an offensive imbalance, and the team is losing while the rookies are stagnant in their development, what is the point of it all?

Melo has played 12 years. I believe every year he's led his team in scoring and his first 10 seasons in the NBA were all winning seasons. The anti Melo crowd would have you believe he's a career loser putting up good numbers. His problem has been the post season where his style of play and/or lack of team depth have been exposed each year. Losing regular season games is a new thing for him.

As father time kicks in we will see how he adjusts. He's passed better and defended better this year. Sadly for Knick fans we have yet to view those improved traits with some good shooting as well. Now would be nice!

Melo is an interesting player. He's very very very good. He's not Lebron or Jordan or Kobe - but for some reason there is this weird expectation he should be? I think he's the next tier down. He's advanced to the conference finals in the stacked Western Conference, something Chris Paul has never done. Something TMac never did. Etc. He came to NY and has played very well, but you can argue we've made some terrible team building decisions around him. Exercising Billups' team option only to amnesty him after the lockout. Then not having that amnesty for Amare. Trading for Bargnani. Letting Lin go for nothing in return. Passing on the potential to trade for Kyle Lowry, which would've been their best trade in years. etc.

You look at his seasons in Denver - he had a pretty good team around him in a stacked Western Conference. In the first round every year they were matching up against the top teams in the West. look at this - three of six years lost to the NBA champion, another year lost to the Lakers who made the Finals, another year the Timberwolves who had MVP KG and made the WCF.

2004 - rookie season lost to the Western conf finalists Timberwolves in KG's MVP season.
2005 - lost to the NBA champion Spurs in first round
2006 - lost to the Clippers in first round
2007 - lost to the NBA champion Spurs in first round
2008 - lost to the NBA finalists Lakers in first round
2009 - made conference finals, lost to NBA champion Lakers in 6 games
etc

the Melo hate starts with he's not Kobe, Lebron, Jordan, etc... then its what part of those guy's games does Melo lack. Then its Melo is a selfish me-first ******* for not being more like those guys.

My biggest rooting interest in Melo is the handful of Knick fans who hate him so. Its the same thing that made me enjoy the Giant SBs so much, the amount of Eli-hate from very vocal Giant fans was (and still is) amazing to me. Love seeing haters in life proved wrong.

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:Have no idea what the word "Real" means to some.

5APG is "real?" Wish Melo could average 5 APG...did not do it in his prime, though- never even cracked 4. He has been a much better distributor at times this year, which I like. He should continue to do it, even if guys are missing too many of the good looks he gets them.

If he is scoring 28PPG it will mean that the offense is broken and Anthony is putting up a ton of shots, since he is not going to have the 62% from the field he had the other day. This is not "real," and not good for the team, either.

If the Knicks are not winning, and he is averaging 28PPG, who cares. If he's doing it, and we are winning and the team is playing like a team, then I can accept it.

You know you have a losing team when fans cling to the statistics other than the winning % of their team. If you play the right way and win, the good stats will be there to cherish and roll about in like a pig in mud.

Most important thing for this season though is the development of our "younger" players, and I'm not just talking about the rookies. Have to see if we have something in Williams, Gallo, and O'Quinn, and I'd really like to know if Early has a future with the team.

At this time I'm probably more willing to accept a certain kind of play if it can somehow sneak us into the playoff picture because it would be good for the franchise and a selling point to FAs, but if a situation develops where there is an offensive imbalance, and the team is losing while the rookies are stagnant in their development, what is the point of it all?

Melo has played 12 years. I believe every year he's led his team in scoring and his first 10 seasons in the NBA were all winning seasons. The anti Melo crowd would have you believe he's a career loser putting up good numbers. His problem has been the post season where his style of play and/or lack of team depth have been exposed each year. Losing regular season games is a new thing for him.

As father time kicks in we will see how he adjusts. He's passed better and defended better this year. Sadly for Knick fans we have yet to view those improved traits with some good shooting as well. Now would be nice!

Melo is an interesting player. He's very very very good. He's not Lebron or Jordan or Kobe - but for some reason there is this weird expectation he should be? I think he's the next tier down. He's advanced to the conference finals in the stacked Western Conference, something Chris Paul has never done. Something TMac never did. Etc. He came to NY and has played very well, but you can argue we've made some terrible team building decisions around him. Exercising Billups' team option only to amnesty him after the lockout. Then not having that amnesty for Amare. Trading for Bargnani. Letting Lin go for nothing in return. Passing on the potential to trade for Kyle Lowry, which would've been their best trade in years. etc.

You look at his seasons in Denver - he had a pretty good team around him in a stacked Western Conference. In the first round every year they were matching up against the top teams in the West. look at this - three of six years lost to the NBA champion, another year lost to the Lakers who made the Finals, another year the Timberwolves who had MVP KG and made the WCF.

2004 - rookie season lost to the Western conf finalists Timberwolves in KG's MVP season.
2005 - lost to the NBA champion Spurs in first round
2006 - lost to the Clippers in first round
2007 - lost to the NBA champion Spurs in first round
2008 - lost to the NBA finalists Lakers in first round
2009 - made conference finals, lost to NBA champion Lakers in 6 games
etc

you beat me to it. Thats the perspective. No excuses, just perspective. Excellent post.

the Melo hate starts with he's not Kobe, Lebron, Jordan, etc... then its what part of those guy's games does Melo lack. Then its Melo is a selfish me-first ******* for not being more like those guys.

My biggest rooting interest in Melo is the handful of Knick fans who hate him so. Its the same thing that made me enjoy the Giant SBs so much, the amount of Eli-hate from very vocal Giant fans was (and still is) amazing to me. Love seeing haters in life proved wrong.

But how are the Melo lovers proved right?

He hasn't won a ring, he hasn't won or come close to a MVP, he hasn't made an All NBA 1st team or All NBA Defensive team.

He only won 1 scoring title, at what he's supposedly best at....what exactly are the true Knicks fans wrong about?

Keep playing dumb. It suits.

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:the real Carmelo was able to sustain performances like that for a month at time and carry a team to many wins while winning NBA player of the month. What we have now is an oversized SF who takes tons of jump shots. Its very possible (cringe) this team was built with that Carmelo (the *real* Carmelo) in mind and he's never coming back. Time will tell. Portland game was promising. So was Sac. Some hybrid of the two is ideal.

He never avg'd 10 rebounds and 5 assists for a month. He probably never did that for 3 straight games.

I never quoted numbers. He's has carried teams with his scoring for months at a time and won player of the month while doing so. I value the wins, not the other #s. Thats what I want to see.

Of course he has. He better have if he is even in this conversation. I want the next level ... unselfish basketball at all times.

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:Have no idea what the word "Real" means to some.

5APG is "real?" Wish Melo could average 5 APG...did not do it in his prime, though- never even cracked 4. He has been a much better distributor at times this year, which I like. He should continue to do it, even if guys are missing too many of the good looks he gets them.

If he is scoring 28PPG it will mean that the offense is broken and Anthony is putting up a ton of shots, since he is not going to have the 62% from the field he had the other day. This is not "real," and not good for the team, either.

If the Knicks are not winning, and he is averaging 28PPG, who cares. If he's doing it, and we are winning and the team is playing like a team, then I can accept it.

You know you have a losing team when fans cling to the statistics other than the winning % of their team. If you play the right way and win, the good stats will be there to cherish and roll about in like a pig in mud.

Most important thing for this season though is the development of our "younger" players, and I'm not just talking about the rookies. Have to see if we have something in Williams, Gallo, and O'Quinn, and I'd really like to know if Early has a future with the team.

At this time I'm probably more willing to accept a certain kind of play if it can somehow sneak us into the playoff picture because it would be good for the franchise and a selling point to FAs, but if a situation develops where there is an offensive imbalance, and the team is losing while the rookies are stagnant in their development, what is the point of it all?

Melo has played 12 years. I believe every year he's led his team in scoring and his first 10 seasons in the NBA were all winning seasons. The anti Melo crowd would have you believe he's a career loser putting up good numbers. His problem has been the post season where his style of play and/or lack of team depth have been exposed each year. Losing regular season games is a new thing for him.

As father time kicks in we will see how he adjusts. He's passed better and defended better this year. Sadly for Knick fans we have yet to view those improved traits with some good shooting as well. Now would be nice!

Melo is an interesting player. He's very very very good. He's not Lebron or Jordan or Kobe - but for some reason there is this weird expectation he should be? I think he's the next tier down. He's advanced to the conference finals in the stacked Western Conference, something Chris Paul has never done. Something TMac never did. Etc. He came to NY and has played very well, but you can argue we've made some terrible team building decisions around him. Exercising Billups' team option only to amnesty him after the lockout. Then not having that amnesty for Amare. Trading for Bargnani. Letting Lin go for nothing in return. Passing on the potential to trade for Kyle Lowry, which would've been their best trade in years. etc.

You look at his seasons in Denver - he had a pretty good team around him in a stacked Western Conference. In the first round every year they were matching up against the top teams in the West. look at this - three of six years lost to the NBA champion, another year lost to the Lakers who made the Finals, another year the Timberwolves who had MVP KG and made the WCF.

2004 - rookie season lost to the Western conf finalists Timberwolves in KG's MVP season.
2005 - lost to the NBA champion Spurs in first round
2006 - lost to the Clippers in first round
2007 - lost to the NBA champion Spurs in first round
2008 - lost to the NBA finalists Lakers in first round
2009 - made conference finals, lost to NBA champion Lakers in 6 games
etc

you beat me to it. Thats the perspective. No excuses, just perspective. Excellent post.

the Melo hate starts with he's not Kobe, Lebron, Jordan, etc... then its what part of those guy's games does Melo lack. Then its Melo is a selfish me-first ******* for not being more like those guys.

My biggest rooting interest in Melo is the handful of Knick fans who hate him so. Its the same thing that made me enjoy the Giant SBs so much, the amount of Eli-hate from very vocal Giant fans was (and still is) amazing to me. Love seeing haters in life proved wrong.

But how are the Melo lovers proved right?

He hasn't won a ring, he hasn't won or come close to a MVP, he hasn't made an All NBA 1st team or All NBA Defensive team.

He only won 1 scoring title, at what he's supposedly best at....what exactly are the true Knicks fans wrong about?

start with "above average player"

Keep playing dumb. It suits.

Since when is "above average player" a negative? It's true, isn't it?

It's not like he averages 50% FG, 90% FT, 40% 3PT. He rarely gets a double double on the Knicks, that's KP's territory. He doesn't get triple doubles, like ever. He doesn't average a block and a steal per game. He puts up 20 points on 40%...that's better than average.

What's the gripe, again?

Since when you have to win a ring to be consider a star player. Why is it he's alway compared to kobe and labron, and those 2 dudes consider melo on their level.

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:the real Carmelo was able to sustain performances like that for a month at time and carry a team to many wins while winning NBA player of the month. What we have now is an oversized SF who takes tons of jump shots. Its very possible (cringe) this team was built with that Carmelo (the *real* Carmelo) in mind and he's never coming back. Time will tell. Portland game was promising. So was Sac. Some hybrid of the two is ideal.

He never avg'd 10 rebounds and 5 assists for a month. He probably never did that for 3 straight games.

I remember Melo having a series 15-20 rebound games during one stretch a couple of years ago, dont know what the assists were.

ChuckBuck wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:Have no idea what the word "Real" means to some.

5APG is "real?" Wish Melo could average 5 APG...did not do it in his prime, though- never even cracked 4. He has been a much better distributor at times this year, which I like. He should continue to do it, even if guys are missing too many of the good looks he gets them.

If he is scoring 28PPG it will mean that the offense is broken and Anthony is putting up a ton of shots, since he is not going to have the 62% from the field he had the other day. This is not "real," and not good for the team, either.

If the Knicks are not winning, and he is averaging 28PPG, who cares. If he's doing it, and we are winning and the team is playing like a team, then I can accept it.

You know you have a losing team when fans cling to the statistics other than the winning % of their team. If you play the right way and win, the good stats will be there to cherish and roll about in like a pig in mud.

Most important thing for this season though is the development of our "younger" players, and I'm not just talking about the rookies. Have to see if we have something in Williams, Gallo, and O'Quinn, and I'd really like to know if Early has a future with the team.

At this time I'm probably more willing to accept a certain kind of play if it can somehow sneak us into the playoff picture because it would be good for the franchise and a selling point to FAs, but if a situation develops where there is an offensive imbalance, and the team is losing while the rookies are stagnant in their development, what is the point of it all?

Melo has played 12 years. I believe every year he's led his team in scoring and his first 10 seasons in the NBA were all winning seasons. The anti Melo crowd would have you believe he's a career loser putting up good numbers. His problem has been the post season where his style of play and/or lack of team depth have been exposed each year. Losing regular season games is a new thing for him.

As father time kicks in we will see how he adjusts. He's passed better and defended better this year. Sadly for Knick fans we have yet to view those improved traits with some good shooting as well. Now would be nice!

Melo is an interesting player. He's very very very good. He's not Lebron or Jordan or Kobe - but for some reason there is this weird expectation he should be? I think he's the next tier down. He's advanced to the conference finals in the stacked Western Conference, something Chris Paul has never done. Something TMac never did. Etc. He came to NY and has played very well, but you can argue we've made some terrible team building decisions around him. Exercising Billups' team option only to amnesty him after the lockout. Then not having that amnesty for Amare. Trading for Bargnani. Letting Lin go for nothing in return. Passing on the potential to trade for Kyle Lowry, which would've been their best trade in years. etc.

You look at his seasons in Denver - he had a pretty good team around him in a stacked Western Conference. In the first round every year they were matching up against the top teams in the West. look at this - three of six years lost to the NBA champion, another year lost to the Lakers who made the Finals, another year the Timberwolves who had MVP KG and made the WCF.

2004 - rookie season lost to the Western conf finalists Timberwolves in KG's MVP season.
2005 - lost to the NBA champion Spurs in first round
2006 - lost to the Clippers in first round
2007 - lost to the NBA champion Spurs in first round
2008 - lost to the NBA finalists Lakers in first round
2009 - made conference finals, lost to NBA champion Lakers in 6 games
etc

you beat me to it. Thats the perspective. No excuses, just perspective. Excellent post.

the Melo hate starts with he's not Kobe, Lebron, Jordan, etc... then its what part of those guy's games does Melo lack. Then its Melo is a selfish me-first ******* for not being more like those guys.

My biggest rooting interest in Melo is the handful of Knick fans who hate him so. Its the same thing that made me enjoy the Giant SBs so much, the amount of Eli-hate from very vocal Giant fans was (and still is) amazing to me. Love seeing haters in life proved wrong.

But how are the Melo lovers proved right?

He hasn't won a ring, he hasn't won or come close to a MVP, he hasn't made an All NBA 1st team or All NBA Defensive team.

He only won 1 scoring title, at what he's supposedly best at....what exactly are the true Knicks fans wrong about?

start with "above average player"

Keep playing dumb. It suits.

Since when is "above average player" a negative? It's true, isn't it?

It's not like he averages 50% FG, 90% FT, 40% 3PT. He rarely gets a double double on the Knicks, that's KP's territory. He doesn't get triple doubles, like ever. He doesn't average a block and a steal per game. He puts up 20 points on 40%...that's better than average.

What's the gripe, again?

Since when you have to win a ring to be consider a star player. Why is it he's alway compared to kobe and labron, and those 2 dudes consider melo on their level.

There's lots of stars in the NBA, Melo is one of them. Seems each team has their own star, no matter their stats or team record.

There are about only a handful of "Superstar" or "Generational Talents" or "Elite athletes" in the NBA. Melo is not in this category.

Melo should never be compared to Kobe or Lebron, it's not fair to them, it's not fair to Melo. Melo should be compared to other contemporaries that are ringless like CP3 or Durant or Griffin or Aldridge. He's distant from CP3 and KD, but closer in stature to Aldridge. More than fair comparison.

Nice reply. Sig worthy so everyone can read your words over and over again.

knicks1248 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:Have no idea what the word "Real" means to some.

5APG is "real?" Wish Melo could average 5 APG...did not do it in his prime, though- never even cracked 4. He has been a much better distributor at times this year, which I like. He should continue to do it, even if guys are missing too many of the good looks he gets them.

If he is scoring 28PPG it will mean that the offense is broken and Anthony is putting up a ton of shots, since he is not going to have the 62% from the field he had the other day. This is not "real," and not good for the team, either.

If the Knicks are not winning, and he is averaging 28PPG, who cares. If he's doing it, and we are winning and the team is playing like a team, then I can accept it.

You know you have a losing team when fans cling to the statistics other than the winning % of their team. If you play the right way and win, the good stats will be there to cherish and roll about in like a pig in mud.

Most important thing for this season though is the development of our "younger" players, and I'm not just talking about the rookies. Have to see if we have something in Williams, Gallo, and O'Quinn, and I'd really like to know if Early has a future with the team.

At this time I'm probably more willing to accept a certain kind of play if it can somehow sneak us into the playoff picture because it would be good for the franchise and a selling point to FAs, but if a situation develops where there is an offensive imbalance, and the team is losing while the rookies are stagnant in their development, what is the point of it all?

Melo has played 12 years. I believe every year he's led his team in scoring and his first 10 seasons in the NBA were all winning seasons. The anti Melo crowd would have you believe he's a career loser putting up good numbers. His problem has been the post season where his style of play and/or lack of team depth have been exposed each year. Losing regular season games is a new thing for him.

As father time kicks in we will see how he adjusts. He's passed better and defended better this year. Sadly for Knick fans we have yet to view those improved traits with some good shooting as well. Now would be nice!

Melo is an interesting player. He's very very very good. He's not Lebron or Jordan or Kobe - but for some reason there is this weird expectation he should be? I think he's the next tier down. He's advanced to the conference finals in the stacked Western Conference, something Chris Paul has never done. Something TMac never did. Etc. He came to NY and has played very well, but you can argue we've made some terrible team building decisions around him. Exercising Billups' team option only to amnesty him after the lockout. Then not having that amnesty for Amare. Trading for Bargnani. Letting Lin go for nothing in return. Passing on the potential to trade for Kyle Lowry, which would've been their best trade in years. etc.

You look at his seasons in Denver - he had a pretty good team around him in a stacked Western Conference. In the first round every year they were matching up against the top teams in the West. look at this - three of six years lost to the NBA champion, another year lost to the Lakers who made the Finals, another year the Timberwolves who had MVP KG and made the WCF.

2004 - rookie season lost to the Western conf finalists Timberwolves in KG's MVP season.
2005 - lost to the NBA champion Spurs in first round
2006 - lost to the Clippers in first round
2007 - lost to the NBA champion Spurs in first round
2008 - lost to the NBA finalists Lakers in first round
2009 - made conference finals, lost to NBA champion Lakers in 6 games
etc

you beat me to it. Thats the perspective. No excuses, just perspective. Excellent post.

the Melo hate starts with he's not Kobe, Lebron, Jordan, etc... then its what part of those guy's games does Melo lack. Then its Melo is a selfish me-first ******* for not being more like those guys.

My biggest rooting interest in Melo is the handful of Knick fans who hate him so. Its the same thing that made me enjoy the Giant SBs so much, the amount of Eli-hate from very vocal Giant fans was (and still is) amazing to me. Love seeing haters in life proved wrong.

But how are the Melo lovers proved right?

He hasn't won a ring, he hasn't won or come close to a MVP, he hasn't made an All NBA 1st team or All NBA Defensive team.

He only won 1 scoring title, at what he's supposedly best at....what exactly are the true Knicks fans wrong about?

start with "above average player"

Keep playing dumb. It suits.

Since when is "above average player" a negative? It's true, isn't it?

It's not like he averages 50% FG, 90% FT, 40% 3PT. He rarely gets a double double on the Knicks, that's KP's territory. He doesn't get triple doubles, like ever. He doesn't average a block and a steal per game. He puts up 20 points on 40%...that's better than average.

What's the gripe, again?

Since when you have to win a ring to be consider a star player. Why is it he's alway compared to kobe and labron, and those 2 dudes consider melo on their level.

oh no they don't ... puh lease

ChuckBuck wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:Have no idea what the word "Real" means to some.

5APG is "real?" Wish Melo could average 5 APG...did not do it in his prime, though- never even cracked 4. He has been a much better distributor at times this year, which I like. He should continue to do it, even if guys are missing too many of the good looks he gets them.

If he is scoring 28PPG it will mean that the offense is broken and Anthony is putting up a ton of shots, since he is not going to have the 62% from the field he had the other day. This is not "real," and not good for the team, either.

If the Knicks are not winning, and he is averaging 28PPG, who cares. If he's doing it, and we are winning and the team is playing like a team, then I can accept it.

You know you have a losing team when fans cling to the statistics other than the winning % of their team. If you play the right way and win, the good stats will be there to cherish and roll about in like a pig in mud.

Most important thing for this season though is the development of our "younger" players, and I'm not just talking about the rookies. Have to see if we have something in Williams, Gallo, and O'Quinn, and I'd really like to know if Early has a future with the team.

At this time I'm probably more willing to accept a certain kind of play if it can somehow sneak us into the playoff picture because it would be good for the franchise and a selling point to FAs, but if a situation develops where there is an offensive imbalance, and the team is losing while the rookies are stagnant in their development, what is the point of it all?

Melo has played 12 years. I believe every year he's led his team in scoring and his first 10 seasons in the NBA were all winning seasons. The anti Melo crowd would have you believe he's a career loser putting up good numbers. His problem has been the post season where his style of play and/or lack of team depth have been exposed each year. Losing regular season games is a new thing for him.

As father time kicks in we will see how he adjusts. He's passed better and defended better this year. Sadly for Knick fans we have yet to view those improved traits with some good shooting as well. Now would be nice!

Melo is an interesting player. He's very very very good. He's not Lebron or Jordan or Kobe - but for some reason there is this weird expectation he should be? I think he's the next tier down. He's advanced to the conference finals in the stacked Western Conference, something Chris Paul has never done. Something TMac never did. Etc. He came to NY and has played very well, but you can argue we've made some terrible team building decisions around him. Exercising Billups' team option only to amnesty him after the lockout. Then not having that amnesty for Amare. Trading for Bargnani. Letting Lin go for nothing in return. Passing on the potential to trade for Kyle Lowry, which would've been their best trade in years. etc.

You look at his seasons in Denver - he had a pretty good team around him in a stacked Western Conference. In the first round every year they were matching up against the top teams in the West. look at this - three of six years lost to the NBA champion, another year lost to the Lakers who made the Finals, another year the Timberwolves who had MVP KG and made the WCF.

2004 - rookie season lost to the Western conf finalists Timberwolves in KG's MVP season.
2005 - lost to the NBA champion Spurs in first round
2006 - lost to the Clippers in first round
2007 - lost to the NBA champion Spurs in first round
2008 - lost to the NBA finalists Lakers in first round
2009 - made conference finals, lost to NBA champion Lakers in 6 games
etc

you beat me to it. Thats the perspective. No excuses, just perspective. Excellent post.

the Melo hate starts with he's not Kobe, Lebron, Jordan, etc... then its what part of those guy's games does Melo lack. Then its Melo is a selfish me-first ******* for not being more like those guys.

My biggest rooting interest in Melo is the handful of Knick fans who hate him so. Its the same thing that made me enjoy the Giant SBs so much, the amount of Eli-hate from very vocal Giant fans was (and still is) amazing to me. Love seeing haters in life proved wrong.

But how are the Melo lovers proved right?

He hasn't won a ring, he hasn't won or come close to a MVP, he hasn't made an All NBA 1st team or All NBA Defensive team.

He only won 1 scoring title, at what he's supposedly best at....what exactly are the true Knicks fans wrong about?

start with "above average player"

Keep playing dumb. It suits.

Since when is "above average player" a negative? It's true, isn't it?

It's not like he averages 50% FG, 90% FT, 40% 3PT. He rarely gets a double double on the Knicks, that's KP's territory. He doesn't get triple doubles, like ever. He doesn't average a block and a steal per game. He puts up 20 points on 40%...that's better than average.

What's the gripe, again?

Since when you have to win a ring to be consider a star player. Why is it he's alway compared to kobe and labron, and those 2 dudes consider melo on their level.

There's lots of stars in the NBA, Melo is one of them. Seems each team has their own star, no matter their stats or team record.

There are about only a handful of "Superstar" or "Generational Talents" or "Elite athletes" in the NBA. Melo is not in this category.

Melo should never be compared to Kobe or Lebron, it's not fair to them, it's not fair to Melo. Melo should be compared to other contemporaries that are ringless like CP3 or Durant or Griffin or Aldridge. He's distant from CP3 and KD, but closer in stature to Aldridge. More than fair comparison.

Aldridge is a very good comp though I believe that Melo is better.

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WaltLongmire wrote:Have no idea what the word "Real" means to some.

5APG is "real?" Wish Melo could average 5 APG...did not do it in his prime, though- never even cracked 4. He has been a much better distributor at times this year, which I like. He should continue to do it, even if guys are missing too many of the good looks he gets them.

If he is scoring 28PPG it will mean that the offense is broken and Anthony is putting up a ton of shots, since he is not going to have the 62% from the field he had the other day. This is not "real," and not good for the team, either.

If the Knicks are not winning, and he is averaging 28PPG, who cares. If he's doing it, and we are winning and the team is playing like a team, then I can accept it.

You know you have a losing team when fans cling to the statistics other than the winning % of their team. If you play the right way and win, the good stats will be there to cherish and roll about in like a pig in mud.

Most important thing for this season though is the development of our "younger" players, and I'm not just talking about the rookies. Have to see if we have something in Williams, Gallo, and O'Quinn, and I'd really like to know if Early has a future with the team.

At this time I'm probably more willing to accept a certain kind of play if it can somehow sneak us into the playoff picture because it would be good for the franchise and a selling point to FAs, but if a situation develops where there is an offensive imbalance, and the team is losing while the rookies are stagnant in their development, what is the point of it all?

Melo has played 12 years. I believe every year he's led his team in scoring and his first 10 seasons in the NBA were all winning seasons. The anti Melo crowd would have you believe he's a career loser putting up good numbers. His problem has been the post season where his style of play and/or lack of team depth have been exposed each year. Losing regular season games is a new thing for him.

As father time kicks in we will see how he adjusts. He's passed better and defended better this year. Sadly for Knick fans we have yet to view those improved traits with some good shooting as well. Now would be nice!

Melo is an interesting player. He's very very very good. He's not Lebron or Jordan or Kobe - but for some reason there is this weird expectation he should be? I think he's the next tier down. He's advanced to the conference finals in the stacked Western Conference, something Chris Paul has never done. Something TMac never did. Etc. He came to NY and has played very well, but you can argue we've made some terrible team building decisions around him. Exercising Billups' team option only to amnesty him after the lockout. Then not having that amnesty for Amare. Trading for Bargnani. Letting Lin go for nothing in return. Passing on the potential to trade for Kyle Lowry, which would've been their best trade in years. etc.

You look at his seasons in Denver - he had a pretty good team around him in a stacked Western Conference. In the first round every year they were matching up against the top teams in the West. look at this - three of six years lost to the NBA champion, another year lost to the Lakers who made the Finals, another year the Timberwolves who had MVP KG and made the WCF.

2004 - rookie season lost to the Western conf finalists Timberwolves in KG's MVP season.
2005 - lost to the NBA champion Spurs in first round
2006 - lost to the Clippers in first round
2007 - lost to the NBA champion Spurs in first round
2008 - lost to the NBA finalists Lakers in first round
2009 - made conference finals, lost to NBA champion Lakers in 6 games
etc

you beat me to it. Thats the perspective. No excuses, just perspective. Excellent post.

the Melo hate starts with he's not Kobe, Lebron, Jordan, etc... then its what part of those guy's games does Melo lack. Then its Melo is a selfish me-first ******* for not being more like those guys.

My biggest rooting interest in Melo is the handful of Knick fans who hate him so. Its the same thing that made me enjoy the Giant SBs so much, the amount of Eli-hate from very vocal Giant fans was (and still is) amazing to me. Love seeing haters in life proved wrong.

But how are the Melo lovers proved right?

He hasn't won a ring, he hasn't won or come close to a MVP, he hasn't made an All NBA 1st team or All NBA Defensive team.

He only won 1 scoring title, at what he's supposedly best at....what exactly are the true Knicks fans wrong about?

start with "above average player"

Keep playing dumb. It suits.

Since when is "above average player" a negative? It's true, isn't it?

It's not like he averages 50% FG, 90% FT, 40% 3PT. He rarely gets a double double on the Knicks, that's KP's territory. He doesn't get triple doubles, like ever. He doesn't average a block and a steal per game. He puts up 20 points on 40%...that's better than average.

What's the gripe, again?

Since when you have to win a ring to be consider a star player. Why is it he's alway compared to kobe and labron, and those 2 dudes consider melo on their level.

There's lots of stars in the NBA, Melo is one of them. Seems each team has their own star, no matter their stats or team record.

There are about only a handful of "Superstar" or "Generational Talents" or "Elite athletes" in the NBA. Melo is not in this category.

Melo should never be compared to Kobe or Lebron, it's not fair to them, it's not fair to Melo. Melo should be compared to other contemporaries that are ringless like CP3 or Durant or Griffin or Aldridge. He's distant from CP3 and KD, but closer in stature to Aldridge. More than fair comparison.

What has CP3 accomplished that make him distant from Melo?

Nice reply. Sig worthy so everyone can read your words over and over again.

you kidding me? Thats a joke. CP3 is one of the best PG's of all time. Rings are about context ... he always played great. Like off the charts great.

Cp3 and melo are worlds apart and anyone who thinks different is completely missing the boat.