Nalod wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Would have to agree with intention of post. In spite of the Bucks record. Lopez was a overpriced knee jerk reaction to coming out empty with Monroe. Although, I believe he would have chosen the Bucks regardless if Knicks would have offered an equal package. Still believe the Lopez money should have been spent on a stronger bench. Specially a couple of players from last year that played well and were let go due to cap room. Hindsight.....

Knee jerk response? I doubt that. Plan "B" maybe. For the money Phil got Ropez, a 27 year old and KOQ still young at 25 years old.

Can we really evaluate this after 25 games and call it? 11-14 is not terrible given we are playing two rookies and have 9 new players with two vets coming off big layoffs due to injury.

Greg Moneroe would have been a great PF, or in tandem with a RoPez type center.

Phil likes big players. KOQ looked like he ran last nite!

Agreed.

And I'd also question the use of "overpriced" and I don't know how you could justify using Rolo money on a stronger bench. Knicks needed starting players, especially at either C or PF considering the draft of KP. You don't like Rolo, then who else?

Rolo may not be a starer on a championship team - Phil's first choices were DJordan and Aldridge - but IMHO he fits next to KP for now and plays D first (much more important than the better qualities of the likes of Monroe) and is on a manageable contract for the next 3 years, very tradable for a better piece.

If DeAndre was Phil's first choice, no reason Phil can't roll the dice again on the likes of Drummond; it's a fat chance scenario but this is what we need to expect of Phil and his Juice Card. And if I had to pick between DeAndre and Drummond, I'd go Andre all day.

BRIGGS wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:We shouldve paid Monroe we didnt and we git thThefeoobie prize.

You didn't even want Monroe- you were having a nervous breakdown over the prospect of us signing him. Then you did your usual flip flop, then had a nervous breakdown because we didn't sign him. he's had no positive impact on the under achieving Bucks all season, but because they just beat the Warriors you suddenly have another nervous breakdown.

It's easy to criticise moves but just remember you wanted us to trade down in the draft, so likely we would have ended up with Justin DNP Anderson and Kaminsky rather than KP, so try some humility.

There's no flip flop. I didn't want Lopez and I wanted the Knicks to draft kp. I wasn't high on Monroe but felt he was the best of what it seemed like we would be able to ge

I'm pretty sure you wanted Frank Kaminsky, even with the 4th pick. But you preferred if the Knicks traded down to get him. I wanted Justise Winslow.

mreinman wrote:

blkexec wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:We shouldve paid Monroe we didnt and we git the boobie prize.

You didn't even want Monroe- you were having a nervous breakdown over the prospect of us signing him. Then you did your usual flip flop, then had a nervous breakdown because we didn't sign him. he's had no positive impact on the under achieving Bucks all season, but because they just beat the Warriors you suddenly have another nervous breakdown.

It's easy to criticise moves but just remember you wanted us to trade down in the draft, so likely we would have ended up with Justin DNP Anderson and Kaminsky rather than KP, so try some humility.

Spot on.....and he didn't want KP.....he wanted OK4...or...frank the tank....

Thankyou......somebody stepped up and challenged the old wise one. I thought I was alone.

I'm right there with ya bud

	
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1. Karl Towns
2 Kristaps Porzingis

3 Mario Hezonja
4. Deangelo Russell
5 Jahill Okafor
6. Frank Kaminsky
7 Emanuel Mudiay
8 Myles Turner
9 Justin Andersen
10 Willie Stein

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Would have to agree with intention of post. In spite of the Bucks record. Lopez was a overpriced knee jerk reaction to coming out empty with Monroe. Although, I believe he would have chosen the Bucks regardless if Knicks would have offered an equal package. Still believe the Lopez money should have been spent on a stronger bench. Specially a couple of players from last year that played well and were let go due to cap room. Hindsight.....

Knee jerk response? I doubt that. Plan "B" maybe. For the money Phil got Ropez, a 27 year old and KOQ still young at 25 years old.

Can we really evaluate this after 25 games and call it? 11-14 is not terrible given we are playing two rookies and have 9 new players with two vets coming off big layoffs due to injury.

Greg Moneroe would have been a great PF, or in tandem with a RoPez type center.

Phil likes big players. KOQ looked like he ran last nite!

Agreed.

And I'd also question the use of "overpriced" and I don't know how you could justify using Rolo money on a stronger bench. Knicks needed starting players, especially at either C or PF considering the draft of KP. You don't like Rolo, then who else?

Rolo may not be a starer on a championship team - Phil's first choices were DJordan and Aldridge - but IMHO he fits next to KP for now and plays D first (much more important than the better qualities of the likes of Monroe) and is on a manageable contract for the next 3 years, very tradable for a better piece.

If DeAndre was Phil's first choice, no reason Phil can't roll the dice again on the likes of Drummond; it's a fat chance scenario but this is what we need to expect of Phil and his Juice Card. And if I had to pick between DeAndre and Drummond, I'd go Andre all day.

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:We shouldve paid Monroe we didnt and we git the boobie prize.

You didn't even want Monroe- you were having a nervous breakdown over the prospect of us signing him. Then you did your usual flip flop, then had a nervous breakdown because we didn't sign him. he's had no positive impact on the under achieving Bucks all season, but because they just beat the Warriors you suddenly have another nervous breakdown.

It's easy to criticise moves but just remember you wanted us to trade down in the draft, so likely we would have ended up with Justin DNP Anderson and Kaminsky rather than KP, so try some humility.

BRIGGS wrote:

blkexec wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:We shouldve paid Monroe we didnt and we git the boobie prize.

You didn't even want Monroe- you were having a nervous breakdown over the prospect of us signing him. Then you did your usual flip flop, then had a nervous breakdown because we didn't sign him. he's had no positive impact on the under achieving Bucks all season, but because they just beat the Warriors you suddenly have another nervous breakdown.

It's easy to criticise moves but just remember you wanted us to trade down in the draft, so likely we would have ended up with Justin DNP Anderson and Kaminsky rather than KP, so try some humility.

Spot on.....and he didn't want KP.....he wanted OK4...or...frank the tank....

Thankyou......somebody stepped up and challenged the old wise one. I thought I was alone.

No I didn't go look it up I questioned porting is body type about a month before draft but he was my pure play at 4 ABOVE oak for go look it up I'm not dishonest

mreinman wrote:Btw, Lopez played great last night. Did anyone see/recall that offensive rebound that he got with 3 guys draped all over him and he somehow grabbed it and got a put back? I thought that was the turning point in the game.

Is Lopez a little overpaid?? Yes he is but a lot of people just look at stats and that's what they go by to judge how a player is but what Lopez brings doesn't always show up in his stats. What Lopez does for us defensively, G.Monroe couldn't even dream of doing for us. Monroe is obviously the better player offensively and he puts up the stats to prove it but he has no defense and the Bucks are worse off with him this year then they were last year. Lopez could have a lot more rebounds if he cared about stats but the guy is a true team player and doesn't care about stats as much as he cares about winning with his team.

CrushAlot wrote:Here's the link to Briggs final mock draft. He had KP at 2, Jah at 5 and Tank at 6.
http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=51447&page=1

Is this Briggs' little brother or does Briggs have more than one membership on this board?? Are you gonna post the other 15 mocks Briggs made as well?? Hahahaha

newyorker4ever wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:We shouldve paid Monroe we didnt and we git the boobie prize.

You didn't even want Monroe- you were having a nervous breakdown over the prospect of us signing him. Then you did your usual flip flop, then had a nervous breakdown because we didn't sign him. he's had no positive impact on the under achieving Bucks all season, but because they just beat the Warriors you suddenly have another nervous breakdown.

It's easy to criticise moves but just remember you wanted us to trade down in the draft, so likely we would have ended up with Justin DNP Anderson and Kaminsky rather than KP, so try some humility.

Hahaha he was all over the place in the draft. He wanted WCS the most i think but he was making a new thread about wanting a different player every time i came on here.

He was afraid Phil was going to pick Stein. Pretty sure that Briggs' doctors actually put him on a Stein free diet.

martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Everything you just mentioned as an asset could have been amply provided by Aldrich and Lou. Without the 16m price tag. As for KOQ, don't believe I mentioned him. You are absolutely right though, 25 games is just a small sampling. However Portland, with a.much larger sampling, did not even entertain him at those salary numbers. We are also seeing his minutes diminished by the people that have closest contact with his ability on day to day basis. Not that posters on this site are not able to judge his ability but the coaching staff seems to be and will be better judges. However, if he results as just a bench player, the.point will soundly be made. Unless you assumed 16m is the going rate for a bench player?

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Would have to agree with intention of post. In spite of the Bucks record. Lopez was a overpriced knee jerk reaction to coming out empty with Monroe. Although, I believe he would have chosen the Bucks regardless if Knicks would have offered an equal package. Still believe the Lopez money should have been spent on a stronger bench. Specially a couple of players from last year that played well and were let go due to cap room. Hindsight.....

Knee jerk response? I doubt that. Plan "B" maybe. For the money Phil got Ropez, a 27 year old and KOQ still young at 25 years old.

Can we really evaluate this after 25 games and call it? 11-14 is not terrible given we are playing two rookies and have 9 new players with two vets coming off big layoffs due to injury.

Greg Moneroe would have been a great PF, or in tandem with a RoPez type center.

Phil likes big players. KOQ looked like he ran last nite!

Agreed.

And I'd also question the use of "overpriced" and I don't know how you could justify using Rolo money on a stronger bench. Knicks needed starting players, especially at either C or PF considering the draft of KP. You don't like Rolo, then who else?

Rolo may not be a starer on a championship team - Phil's first choices were DJordan and Aldridge - but IMHO he fits next to KP for now and plays D first (much more important than the better qualities of the likes of Monroe) and is on a manageable contract for the next 3 years, very tradable for a better piece.

If DeAndre was Phil's first choice, no reason Phil can't roll the dice again on the likes of Drummond; it's a fat chance scenario but this is what we need to expect of Phil and his Juice Card. And if I had to pick between DeAndre and Drummond, I'd go Andre all day.

uh no. Aldrich and Lou are not starter or even regular bench rotational guys. Please, that's a big stretch.

Less of a stretch but more of a comment of what level of play Lopez has shown thus far. I do hope your right. Hopefully Lopez will prove me wrong and have a productive four years.