CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:I HATE excuses. When i play basketball i definetly disagree with some calls BUT at the end of the day i dont blame the refs if my team loses. I agree our record should be better but WE cost ourselves a few games not the refs. The only game i felt we got screwed a little was the charlotte game. More time should have been put on the clock

So if the nba says they made a bad call and it cost the team you root for the game you think it is an excuse. I am confused by this. If officiating costs a team a victory I would expect fans of that team to be frustrated. It isn't an excuse. The Knicks lost 3 games on calls the nba has come out and said that they got wrong. It can't be reversed but it sucks.

the point is we have put ourselves in bad positions too many times this year. We have blown late leads and dug ourselves in deep holes. Its not like im defending the refs because i agree they have made some bad calls. However i dont blame the refs everytime we lose because it isnt the truth

How about if we blame them for the three games that they said they got wrong.

are there games that could go the other way? the players better not be sitting around fussing over the refs.

starksy has a point here... stop with the mistakes, poor d, etc, give your self breathing room on the scoreboard so it doesnt matter if the refs make mistakes.

sidsanders wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:I HATE excuses. When i play basketball i definetly disagree with some calls BUT at the end of the day i dont blame the refs if my team loses. I agree our record should be better but WE cost ourselves a few games not the refs. The only game i felt we got screwed a little was the charlotte game. More time should have been put on the clock

So if the nba says they made a bad call and it cost the team you root for the game you think it is an excuse. I am confused by this. If officiating costs a team a victory I would expect fans of that team to be frustrated. It isn't an excuse. The Knicks lost 3 games on calls the nba has come out and said that they got wrong. It can't be reversed but it sucks.

the point is we have put ourselves in bad positions too many times this year. We have blown late leads and dug ourselves in deep holes. Its not like im defending the refs because i agree they have made some bad calls. However i dont blame the refs everytime we lose because it isnt the truth

How about if we blame them for the three games that they said they got wrong.

are there games that could go the other way? the players better not be sitting around fussing over the refs.

starksy has a point here... stop with the mistakes, poor d, etc, give your self breathing room on the scoreboard so it doesnt matter if the refs make mistakes.

CrushAlot wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:I HATE excuses. When i play basketball i definetly disagree with some calls BUT at the end of the day i dont blame the refs if my team loses. I agree our record should be better but WE cost ourselves a few games not the refs. The only game i felt we got screwed a little was the charlotte game. More time should have been put on the clock

So if the nba says they made a bad call and it cost the team you root for the game you think it is an excuse. I am confused by this. If officiating costs a team a victory I would expect fans of that team to be frustrated. It isn't an excuse. The Knicks lost 3 games on calls the nba has come out and said that they got wrong. It can't be reversed but it sucks.

the point is we have put ourselves in bad positions too many times this year. We have blown late leads and dug ourselves in deep holes. Its not like im defending the refs because i agree they have made some bad calls. However i dont blame the refs everytime we lose because it isnt the truth

How about if we blame them for the three games that they said they got wrong.

are there games that could go the other way? the players better not be sitting around fussing over the refs.

starksy has a point here... stop with the mistakes, poor d, etc, give your self breathing room on the scoreboard so it doesnt matter if the refs make mistakes.

Sure but if the nba comes out and says they missed a call in the final seconds of a 1-2 pt game it can decide the outcome no?

what are you going to do about it? didnt the nba admit they messed up the anthony out of bounds call (vs tor)?
read the comments from this link: http://www.raptorsrepublic.com/2015/11/10/referees-admit-error-on-carmelo-anthony-out-of-bounds-no-call/

folks saying the same stuff from each "side" of this...

CrushAlot wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:I HATE excuses. When i play basketball i definetly disagree with some calls BUT at the end of the day i dont blame the refs if my team loses. I agree our record should be better but WE cost ourselves a few games not the refs. The only game i felt we got screwed a little was the charlotte game. More time should have been put on the clock

So if the nba says they made a bad call and it cost the team you root for the game you think it is an excuse. I am confused by this. If officiating costs a team a victory I would expect fans of that team to be frustrated. It isn't an excuse. The Knicks lost 3 games on calls the nba has come out and said that they got wrong. It can't be reversed but it sucks.

the point is we have put ourselves in bad positions too many times this year. We have blown late leads and dug ourselves in deep holes. Its not like im defending the refs because i agree they have made some bad calls. However i dont blame the refs everytime we lose because it isnt the truth

How about if we blame them for the three games that they said they got wrong.

are there games that could go the other way? the players better not be sitting around fussing over the refs.

starksy has a point here... stop with the mistakes, poor d, etc, give your self breathing room on the scoreboard so it doesnt matter if the refs make mistakes.

Sure but if the nba comes out and says they missed a call in the final seconds of a 1-2 pt game it can decide the outcome no?

what are you going to do about it? didnt the nba admit they messed up the anthony out of bounds call (vs tor)?
read the comments from this link: http://www.raptorsrepublic.com/2015/11/10/referees-admit-error-on-carmelo-anthony-out-of-bounds-no-call/

folks saying the same stuff from each "side" of this...

The games that the nba came out and said they made a mistake on referred to in this thread are the Charlotte clock incident (KP 3pt shot waved off), 8 missed calls at the end of the rockets game and Rondo's foul last on Melo.
I agree about the Raptors call. As a Knick fan aren't you concerned that the nba has said three times that it blew calls that decided games against the Knicks? One fifth of the Knicks losses came on calls that the nba said they missed.

the play in some of these games could have made more of a diff. they dont play so poorly for most of the game vs sac that bad call most likely doesnt happen.

do we subtract the tor game from the win column or if other teams feel they got screwed vs nyk do we start adding/subtracting balance sheets here? you are not gonna win vs the refs/nba. play better consistently seems to be something the players/coaches have a bit more control over. thats what im more "worried" about.

i stand by this view (for now): the team needs to play much better for longer stretches in-game. i can only hope that can help avoid this stuff as the year goes. they may be talent deprived with this current roster, still doesnt mean they cant play better. heck, weve seen them play well at times already this season.

sidsanders wrote:correct calls can burn ny or be nice. unless it can be shown this is only happening in a hugely disproportionate way to the knicks and not many other teams, i cant blame the refs/nba too much --- markvmc post from a few pages back -- would be interesting to see what teams are getting burned in close games.

i stand by this view (for now): the team needs to play much better for longer stretches in-game. i can only hope that can help avoid this stuff as the year goes. they may be talent deprived with this current roster, still doesnt mean they cant play better. heck, weve seen them play well at times already this season.

CrushAlot wrote:

knickscity wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:I HATE excuses. When i play basketball i definetly disagree with some calls BUT at the end of the day i dont blame the refs if my team loses. I agree our record should be better but WE cost ourselves a few games not the refs. The only game i felt we got screwed a little was the charlotte game. More time should have been put on the clock

So if the nba says they made a bad call and it cost the team you root for the game you think it is an excuse. I am confused by this. If officiating costs a team a victory I would expect fans of that team to be frustrated. It isn't an excuse. The Knicks lost 3 games on calls the nba has come out and said that they got wrong. It can't be reversed but it sucks.

Other than the shot clock error, what calls cost the team the win? I ask this because I'm assuming if those calls were made the Knicks were guaranteed to win? I dont think so in any case.

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12/11/2015 4:25 PM

Game 1 - there should have been .8 on the clock for KP's game winner in Charlotte and it should have counted.
Game 2 - NBA ref report shows there were SEVEN MISSED CALLS against Houston in the final two minutes of the 4th quarter, sending the game to overtime
Game 3 - ref report shows there should have been a foul called on Rondo to end the game.

Actually...1 whole second should have been added in that Charlotte game.

The NBA has the worse officials in all of Sports

CrushAlot wrote:Tony Brothters is working tonight's game. Ouch.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/StevePopper/status/675694758250029056

Melo doesn't have many refs who like him. You have to think that's partly his fault.

crzymdups wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Tony Brothters is working tonight's game. Ouch.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/StevePopper/status/675694758250029056

Melo doesn't have many refs who like him. You have to think that's partly his fault.

nah ... its part of "the conspiracy"

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Tony Brothters is working tonight's game. Ouch.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/StevePopper/status/675694758250029056

Melo doesn't have many refs who like him. You have to think that's partly his fault.

nah ... its part of "the conspiracy"

Brothers gave the Knicks the raptors game on a blown call but he is only behind Crawford in regards to guys that are not good officials.

there are many bad officials in every sport.

I don't believe in conspiracies against players especially ones that don't get many techs for screaming at them.

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Tony Brothters is working tonight's game. Ouch.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/StevePopper/status/675694758250029056

Melo doesn't have many refs who like him. You have to think that's partly his fault.

nah ... its part of "the conspiracy"

Brothers gave the Knicks the raptors game on a blown call but he is only behind Crawford in regards to guys that are not good officials.

there are many bad officials in every sport.

I don't believe in conspiracies against players especially ones that don't get many techs for screaming at them.

Not sure where anyone has mentioned a conspiracy a single time in this thread other you.