mreinman wrote:

martin wrote:I would do this in a heartbeat

martin, do you really think that these scenarios are not nonsense? I suggested a mid first rounder and an ok PG and you asked me why I am posting that nonsense. Of course it would have to be workable and it may have to be a multiple team trade, but ideas like this are not nonsense?

because you didn't put any details behind it and this deal is much better.

Portis and Mirotic are both first round picks and there was an included future round pick, for a total of 3. Noah is a starting C on most teams.

Your first reply in that thread was:

how about if we trade him for very very little (or nothing) just to get him off our cap so that we can sign a star?

Your second was

a mid first rounder and an ok pg (like a jarret jack type or Andre Miller of 3 years ago?

So basically you'd be OK with giving Melo away for nothing or giving him away for a mid first rounder and a backup PG.

Those two things are complete nonsense to me.

BRIGGS wrote:We could put Portis at c and zinger at of for 10 years. Could've already had this

Still don't know how Grant will turn out, though. If he doesn't eventually work out Jackson will take a hit.

Funny thing is that on draft night, many felt the Knicks' draft was saved with the acquisition of Grant, since folks thought KP was more of a project than prospect for this season.

Strange how things are looking different, now.

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:

martin wrote:I would do this in a heartbeat

martin, do you really think that these scenarios are not nonsense? I suggested a mid first rounder and an ok PG and you asked me why I am posting that nonsense. Of course it would have to be workable and it may have to be a multiple team trade, but ideas like this are not nonsense?

because you didn't put any details behind it and this deal is much better.

Portis and Mirotic are both first round picks and there was an included future round pick, for a total of 3. Noah is a starting C on most teams.

Your first reply in that thread was:

how about if we trade him for very very little (or nothing) just to get him off our cap so that we can sign a star?

Your second was

a mid first rounder and an ok pg (like a jarret jack type or Andre Miller of 3 years ago?

So basically you'd be OK with giving Melo away for nothing or giving him away for a mid first rounder and a backup PG.

Those two things are complete nonsense to me.

So you think that this package of gold is more inline with what Melo is worth? If you think that Melo is worth 3 first round picks and Noah then you have lost your mind man. We are not talking about the Melo of two years ago. This Melo is not worth much. He would have to have a number of really good games to increase his value.

Right now, he has no lift, can't finish in traffic, not a good defender (even if he is trying harder), can't really shoot with consistency from anywhere, and still shoots and thinks that he is a top 5 player.

I know its only 20ish games but its been a long time since we saw good Melo and I'm not that we will ever see it again. If he is getting older and losing explosiveness then he would have to change his game in a number of ways to be even close to worth his contract.

With all these glaring concerns, there is no way that any team would give up that much for him. Maybe a little more then I proposed but not much more.

And of course the trade kicker and the NTC greatly reduce the knicks leverage in what they can get for him.

mreinman wrote:

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:

martin wrote:I would do this in a heartbeat

martin, do you really think that these scenarios are not nonsense? I suggested a mid first rounder and an ok PG and you asked me why I am posting that nonsense. Of course it would have to be workable and it may have to be a multiple team trade, but ideas like this are not nonsense?

because you didn't put any details behind it and this deal is much better.

Portis and Mirotic are both first round picks and there was an included future round pick, for a total of 3. Noah is a starting C on most teams.

Your first reply in that thread was:

how about if we trade him for very very little (or nothing) just to get him off our cap so that we can sign a star?

Your second was

a mid first rounder and an ok pg (like a jarret jack type or Andre Miller of 3 years ago?

So basically you'd be OK with giving Melo away for nothing or giving him away for a mid first rounder and a backup PG.

Those two things are complete nonsense to me.

So you think that this package of gold is more inline with what Melo is worth? If you think that Melo is worth 3 first round picks and Noah then you have lost your mind man. We are not talking about the Melo of two years ago. This Melo is not worth much. He would have to have a number of really good games to increase his value.

Right now, he has no lift, can't finish in traffic, not a good defender (even if he is trying harder), can't really shoot with consistency from anywhere, and still shoots and thinks that he is a top 5 player.

I know its only 20ish games but its been a long time since we saw good Melo and I'm not that we will ever see it again. If he is getting older and losing explosiveness then he would have to change his game in a number of ways to be even close to worth his contract.

With all these glaring concerns, there is no way that any team would give up that much for him. Maybe a little more then I proposed but not much more.

And of course the trade kicker and the NTC greatly reduce the knicks leverage in what they can get for him.

I said I would do the deal in a heartbeat, not what I thought Melo is worth. You think he is worth giving away for nothing, which is utter crap trade.