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earthmansurfer
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12/11/2015  3:26 AM
Walt - Funny you said that about the double or triple teaming Melo during a finishing move for as I posted that pic, that very thought crossed my mind.
It crossed it before as well, I always thought "At the end of the shot clock why doesn't Melo just act like he is going to shoot it as he ALWAYS draws a double or triple team and then dish it off."
I feel sorry for him, but there are many more Knicks fans I feel sorry for. It is looking like it is going to be a long year. At least we got... oh wait...
Can someone get the finishing move comment back to Melo, he can be the worlds best end of game disher with that knowledge.
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12/11/2015  3:50 AM
WaltLongmire wrote:Strangely enough- he had made some nice passes late in the game for 3 pt shots which failed.

This. Melo passed a ton. The knicks suck and missed. Therefore no assists. I cringed when he passed, because I knew the knicks would brick the shots, and they did.
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12/11/2015  7:45 AM
mreinman wrote:oh ... and one more thing. Sure melo go ahead and shoot those T's while Calderon is on the floor.

Nice FT shooting tonight ...

Who's fault is that??? I blame Fisher. Coach should decide who shoots the T's. Stop blaming Melo for everything . C'mon man

fishmike 9/27/2024 11:00 PM Ug I hate this. The idea of Towns is great until you see what a pussy he is. Jules is a dog. DD was a flamethrower locked up cheap for 3 more years. First Leon move I hate
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12/11/2015  8:29 AM
earthmansurfer wrote:Final play in a nutshell. Unbelievable, needs to be made into a print.

Too bad KP wasn't that open. Maybe Melo would unselfishly pass him the ball to force OT. Wait...he was?!!

My bad.

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12/11/2015  8:58 AM
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earthmansurfer wrote:Final play in a nutshell. Unbelievable, needs to be made into a print.

Too bad KP wasn't that open. Maybe Melo would unselfishly pass him the ball to force OT. Wait...he was?!!

My bad.

This pass is not easy for a tunnel vision type scorer like Melo. He's already in the air, at the peak of his jump.....Plus he was trying to draw a foul from the 3pt line, which would've given him a chance to win the game. So I'm not surprised at that play, even when looking at the picture. If you haven't played high competitive ball before, at NBA speed levels, you wouldn't understand. Plus, you can't be a scoring champ, unless you have tunnel vision towards the rim.

Now, for me....I would make that pass all day....But I'm an unselfish type of scorer. Grant would also make that pass, because he's a jump and pass type of player. Melo is a scorer 1st....Yes he saw KP was open for a 2, that would've sent it to overtime.....But Melo saw an opportunity to win the game with a foul from the 3 pt line. You have to be in a scorers mental state to really understand his thinking. You want Melo to be decisive....Thats why he's a max player.

The coach has nothing to do with Melo's final shot. I'm sure Fisher knows Melo is the best last second shot maker in the NBA. But lately he's been awful....Knees, age, whatever it is.....He hasn't played to his own expectations. It might be time to sit out and watch the others play, while he nurses those knees. Gives Melo a chance to see how he can contribute and the talent we have outside of KP. Fisher has to do something because it's getting old to see our best lineup only play in the final minutes of games.....

To Melo's point, Steph Curry, KD, Lebron, Kobe, etc.... would've gotten that call.

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12/11/2015  9:08 AM
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yellowboy90 wrote:You are not open just because the defender is walking away from you when the ball is released. Only Kristaps was open.

ok ... how about passing to KP?

it was awful ... not sure why/if you were ok with it.

It woulda been really hard to get the pass to KP with time for him to shoot. By the title of the thread you were obviously looking to blame 1 guy but a simple glimpse at the clock shows it woulda been nearly impossible to get KP the ball and have him be able shoot based on where he was before the clock expired.

Also you commentary lacked the fact the the hand check was apparently brought back for 1 play. I thought the league did away with that. Jersey grab was a nice touch. If somebody did that to Steph that would be a flagrant 2.

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12/11/2015  9:10 AM
yellowboy90 wrote:I said KP was open. Yes he should have thrown it to him but if you look at the video you posted KP broke open when Melo was pulling up. He still should have tried to zip a pass by Cousins. That pass would be a gamble because of Demarcus Wingspan but I think that would have been the best move.

Then again looking at my Video how do you throw that pass to Zingis while adjusting around Rondo and Gay fouling you? You would have to go up **** the ball back to generate the power needed to get it to KP.

I am not going to fault a guy on that play though. I will fault him for missing bunnies and Fts though. However late in that game he was still passing his tail off before that to Calderon(brick), KP(brick), Afflalo(brick, Brick), and came up short late with his Clank special.

+1 - A pass attempt out of that woulda been a likely turnover. Also, nobody was that open until after the ball was released. Affair has some space but that was really it. Again time wouleft have been an issue since he gathered to shoot with 2 sec left.

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12/11/2015  9:11 AM
ChuckBuck wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:Final play in a nutshell. Unbelievable, needs to be made into a print.

Too bad KP wasn't that open. Maybe Melo would unselfishly pass him the ball to force OT. Wait...he was?!!

My bad.

he's shooting with 2.1 seconds left on the clock. he had no intention of passing, moreover he picked up his dribble and pulled up two feet behind the three point line for a twenty-six foot jumpshot. he never seems to afford himself a choice. once he has made up his mind there's no turning back.

"now i know i am going to get double teamed and grabbed so there has to be a man open somewhere."

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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12/11/2015  9:29 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/11/2015  9:30 AM
dk7th wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:Final play in a nutshell. Unbelievable, needs to be made into a print.

Too bad KP wasn't that open. Maybe Melo would unselfishly pass him the ball to force OT. Wait...he was?!!

My bad.

he's shooting with 2.1 seconds left on the clock. he had no intention of passing, moreover he picked up his dribble and pulled up two feet behind the three point line for a twenty-six foot jumpshot. he never seems to afford himself a choice. once he has made up his mind there's no turning back.

"now i know i am going to get double teamed and grabbed so there has to be a man open somewhere."

He wasn't just shooting to make it....he was trying to draw a foul. Players do this all the time....And when it doesn't work, it's on Shaq and a Fool....I remember Chris Paul doing this near half court, and the defending backed off at the right time. When that happened, CP looked real foolish. But when it works, they look like a hero. Melo is still in his superstar mind, trying to put the team on his shoulders. He will continue to do this, until we have other players of his caliber. KP isn't there yet....But he's close! Melo needs other vets around him! (that can play!!)

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12/11/2015  9:35 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/11/2015  9:36 AM
2.1 seconds is an easy lob pass to make. Remember the ball travels faster passing the ball through the air than dribbling to a forced pull up 26 footer over 2 defenders.

Kristaps Porzingis is 7'3 with easily the catch radius of 2 Calvin Johnson's....why not go for the higher percentage play? The pass doesn't have to be Chris Paul precise...KP is athletic enough to redirect a bad pass towards the hoop easily.

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12/11/2015  9:44 AM
yellowboy90 wrote:I said KP was open. Yes he should have thrown it to him but if you look at the video you posted KP broke open when Melo was pulling up. He still should have tried to zip a pass by Cousins. That pass would be a gamble because of Demarcus Wingspan but I think that would have been the best move.

Then again looking at my Video how do you throw that pass to Zingis while adjusting around Rondo and Gay fouling you? You would have to go up **** the ball back to generate the power needed to get it to KP.

I am not going to fault a guy on that play though. I will fault him for missing bunnies and Fts though. However late in that game he was still passing his tail off before that to Calderon(brick), KP(brick), Afflalo(brick, Brick), and came up short late with his Clank special.

+1, he gave up the ball on 4 of the last 6 possessions and like you said, he set guys up with great looks, and they missed.

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12/11/2015  9:47 AM
yellowboy90 wrote:I said KP was open. Yes he should have thrown it to him but if you look at the video you posted KP broke open when Melo was pulling up. He still should have tried to zip a pass by Cousins. That pass would be a gamble because of Demarcus Wingspan but I think that would have been the best move.

Then again looking at my Video how do you throw that pass to Zingis while adjusting around Rondo and Gay fouling you? You would have to go up **** the ball back to generate the power needed to get it to KP.

I am not going to fault a guy on that play though. I will fault him for missing bunnies and Fts though. However late in that game he was still passing his tail off before that to Calderon(brick), KP(brick), Afflalo(brick, Brick), and came up short late with his Clank special.

Yea, i mean in four seconds, you don't have a lot of time to scan all the options.

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12/11/2015  9:52 AM
Fisher must be insane. They run the same plays with the same player expecting different results.

KP was wide open and if his idea is pass first, then he would have made the pass as he elevated. As it is KP almost tapped in the miss, he would have made the alley-oop.

Melo is showing signs of being Selfish Melo again.

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12/11/2015  10:04 AM
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Fisher must be insane. They run the same plays with the same player expecting different results.

KP was wide open and if his idea is pass first, then he would have made the pass as he elevated. As it is KP almost tapped in the miss, he would have made the alley-oop.

Melo is showing signs of being Selfish Melo again.

The signs of being selfish shows you may not have caught the last 2 minutes. He didn't force any shots. I suppose you can count this one if you like. He also got KP and Affalo wide open looks. Neither fell. Those are the breaks sometimes. That has been what people have wanted to see from him, shots from others just didn't fall. It happens. While Melo is not without criticism in this game, selfish is a personal view. The stats and game footage don't really support that last night.

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12/11/2015  10:28 AM
The REAL issue is that we don't have a Rondo or CP3 etc. Heck even a Teague, Lowry or Conley would work!!! Not having a legit breakdown PG who can close out games is a HUGE HOLE in this roster. I was hoping Jerian would much much closer to being able to handle more of the PG role but it hasn't happened. This team will struggle if we don't get more help at PG.

Jose is more of a SG at this stage of his career as is Gallo! Jerian has the talent but not yet the confidence to lead the team. Phil needs to find some help at PG IMO!

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12/11/2015  10:37 AM
I'm sorry but those who think Melo could have had time to pass to KP underneath the basket are very mistaken. If you are going to blame Melo, you should pick and chose your arguments better.
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12/11/2015  10:39 AM
ChuckBuck wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:Final play in a nutshell. Unbelievable, needs to be made into a print.

Too bad KP wasn't that open. Maybe Melo would unselfishly pass him the ball to force OT. Wait...he was?!!

My bad.

Watch the relay. Watch the time on the clock. Learn something.

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12/11/2015  10:43 AM
agree with Nixluva team desperately needs a PG. When Rondo dunked on Melo, it was actually Jose initially covering Rondo. Jose cut under the pick and still got blown away

Jose's role should be limited

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12/11/2015  10:46 AM
BigRedDog wrote:
mreinman wrote:oh ... and one more thing. Sure melo go ahead and shoot those T's while Calderon is on the floor.

Nice FT shooting tonight ...

Who's fault is that??? I blame Fisher. Coach should decide who shoots the T's. Stop blaming Melo for everything . C'mon man

Not true. The players on the court decide.

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12/11/2015  10:56 AM
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yellowboy90 wrote:I said KP was open. Yes he should have thrown it to him but if you look at the video you posted KP broke open when Melo was pulling up. He still should have tried to zip a pass by Cousins. That pass would be a gamble because of Demarcus Wingspan but I think that would have been the best move.

Then again looking at my Video how do you throw that pass to Zingis while adjusting around Rondo and Gay fouling you? You would have to go up **** the ball back to generate the power needed to get it to KP.

I am not going to fault a guy on that play though. I will fault him for missing bunnies and Fts though. However late in that game he was still passing his tail off before that to Calderon(brick), KP(brick), Afflalo(brick, Brick), and came up short late with his Clank special.

+1, he gave up the ball on 4 of the last 6 possessions and like you said, he set guys up with great looks, and they missed.

kp was at the basket for a layup or a lob pass. there's no reasonable excuse to not get kp6 the ball there.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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