WaltLongmire wrote:You guys are all missing something that is becoming quite obvious...

At this moment Anthony cannot play SF- especially against a 3 who does not stand around like Anthony does. Age...injury...whatever- the fact is that he cannot keep up with quicker 3's and is stymied by quicker defenders on the offensive end, where he tends to force things.

Whether or not this is a permanent thing or just part of his recovery- it still has to be taken into consideration.

Melo at 4 was something that was thought about after an interview he had, was feared by many before the season, and became a topic of some intense and heated discussion, if I remember correctly. I was against it, but if he is in the lineup at this time, I don't see how he can cope at the 3.

Just to stoke the flames... Once again, this is an example of why Carmelo should have shut down earlier last season and had more time to recover. There is a bit of karma going on here, IMO.

It was a major organizational and individual mistake to delay the surgery, and it is coming back to haunt us this season.

There were guys around who seemed to take some relish in discussing Anthony's recovery in the off-season, as if it was timed perfectly for him to be near 100% for the regular season. It would seem that some of you did not know what you were talking about, and that my criticism of Phil and Melo over his extended play and All-Star game appearance was more than warranted given the situation as it now exists.

I've been happy in many ways with how Anthony has carried himself since August, but his limitations on the court are becoming quite apparent, and I can't help but think that another 2 months in recovery would have been better for the team.

I thought that this was mentioned ad nauseum? The issue now is that if you play him at the 4 which is clearly where he needs to play is that you would have to play KP at center which some of us don't think that he is ready for (maybe next year + 10 lbs), or you would have to bring KP off the bench (not gonna happen much to the detriment of Melo).

The other option is to bring Melo off the bench just that he can play the 4. Not gonna happen either.

Melo and KP do play well together when they go small ball with LT so maybe at times, this is the best lineup and allows for Melo to not be guarded by quick 3's. The issue with that is the LT can be guarded by anyone and the defense can still put the 3 on Melo.

Not an easy formula and not the best pieces to work with.

blkexec wrote:

martin wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:You guys are all missing something that is becoming quite obvious...

At this moment Anthony cannot play SF- especially against a 3 who does not stand around like Anthony does. Age...injury...whatever- the fact is that he cannot keep up with quicker 3's and is stymied by quicker defenders on the offensive end, where he tends to force things.

Whether or not this is a permanent thing or just part of his recovery- it still has to be taken into consideration.

Melo at 4 was something that was thought about after an interview he had, was feared by many before the season, and became a topic of some intense and heated discussion, if I remember correctly. I was against it, but if he is in the lineup at this time, I don't see how he can cope at the 3.

Just to stoke the flames... Once again, this is an example of why Carmelo should have shut down earlier last season and had more time to recover. There is a bit of karma going on here, IMO.

It was a major organizational and individual mistake to delay the surgery, and it is coming back to haunt us this season.

There were guys around who seemed to take some relish in discussing Anthony's recovery in the off-season, as if it was timed perfectly for him to be near 100% for the regular season. It would seem that some of you did not know what you were talking about, and that my criticism of Phil and Melo over his extended play and All-Star game appearance was more than warranted given the situation as it now exists.

I've been happy in many ways with how Anthony has carried himself since August, but his limitations on the court are becoming quite apparent, and I can't help but think that another 2 months in recovery would have been better for the team.

You know what, I am finally there. Watching that first play after halftime, on the half-assed psuedo switch with Rolo that was completely unnecessary - and this was only 1 example of many many bad defensive plays that Melo is apart of over the course of game - you can tell that either Melo don't got the legs or he don't got the effort necessary to play.

Theres a reason why Melo won the scoring title, playing PF.....Melo will always say it doesn't matter what position he plays. Just like I will always think my crossover is lightning fast. But thats the competitor in us older guys. Fisher doesn't have that history with the knicks and thinks Melo came in as a SF so he can play SF.....Thats true.....But right now, we need a motivated aggressive offensive minded Melo and thats as a PF.....He takes it personal whenever a bigger and slower guy is on him. He has too many moves for any PF in the league. The problem is KP at center may not be the best partner for Melo at PF, during long stretches. But PF is clearly Melo's best position until he retires. The issue is Phil built the team around multiple PF's, so that spot is already crowded. I feel for you Fish.....Not a good situation to start your coaching career.....Meanwhile, the water boy for GS can coach that team to a championship, while drinking Mai Tai's on a nude beach!

Fisher gotta bring his balls out and start swinging them around and slap some dudes. I would have called a timeout right there after seeing Melo lazy switch like that. Either that or pull him. For me, that's not Melo can only play PF at this point, it's Melo not putting in an iota of effort. If he's tired, sit or sub quick to get rest. And then punish Hayward on the other end where Melo got a weight and bulk advantage. Melo airballed an 18 footer last night where he was wide open. For me, that's troubling at a different level then the SF/PF position thing.

martin wrote:

blkexec wrote:

martin wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:You guys are all missing something that is becoming quite obvious...

At this moment Anthony cannot play SF- especially against a 3 who does not stand around like Anthony does. Age...injury...whatever- the fact is that he cannot keep up with quicker 3's and is stymied by quicker defenders on the offensive end, where he tends to force things.

Whether or not this is a permanent thing or just part of his recovery- it still has to be taken into consideration.

Melo at 4 was something that was thought about after an interview he had, was feared by many before the season, and became a topic of some intense and heated discussion, if I remember correctly. I was against it, but if he is in the lineup at this time, I don't see how he can cope at the 3.

Just to stoke the flames... Once again, this is an example of why Carmelo should have shut down earlier last season and had more time to recover. There is a bit of karma going on here, IMO.

It was a major organizational and individual mistake to delay the surgery, and it is coming back to haunt us this season.

There were guys around who seemed to take some relish in discussing Anthony's recovery in the off-season, as if it was timed perfectly for him to be near 100% for the regular season. It would seem that some of you did not know what you were talking about, and that my criticism of Phil and Melo over his extended play and All-Star game appearance was more than warranted given the situation as it now exists.

I've been happy in many ways with how Anthony has carried himself since August, but his limitations on the court are becoming quite apparent, and I can't help but think that another 2 months in recovery would have been better for the team.

You know what, I am finally there. Watching that first play after halftime, on the half-assed psuedo switch with Rolo that was completely unnecessary - and this was only 1 example of many many bad defensive plays that Melo is apart of over the course of game - you can tell that either Melo don't got the legs or he don't got the effort necessary to play.

Theres a reason why Melo won the scoring title, playing PF.....Melo will always say it doesn't matter what position he plays. Just like I will always think my crossover is lightning fast. But thats the competitor in us older guys. Fisher doesn't have that history with the knicks and thinks Melo came in as a SF so he can play SF.....Thats true.....But right now, we need a motivated aggressive offensive minded Melo and thats as a PF.....He takes it personal whenever a bigger and slower guy is on him. He has too many moves for any PF in the league. The problem is KP at center may not be the best partner for Melo at PF, during long stretches. But PF is clearly Melo's best position until he retires. The issue is Phil built the team around multiple PF's, so that spot is already crowded. I feel for you Fish.....Not a good situation to start your coaching career.....Meanwhile, the water boy for GS can coach that team to a championship, while drinking Mai Tai's on a nude beach!

Fisher gotta bring his balls out and start swinging them around and slap some dudes. I would have called a timeout right there after seeing Melo lazy switch like that. Either that or pull him. For me, that's not Melo can only play PF at this point, it's Melo not putting in an iota of effort. If he's tired, sit or sub quick to get rest. And then punish Hayward on the other end where Melo got a weight and bulk advantage. Melo airballed an 18 footer last night where he was wide open. For me, that's troubling at a different level then the SF/PF position thing.

Agree 100%

Knicks1969 wrote:

blkexec wrote:

martin wrote:

blkexec wrote:

martin wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:You guys are all missing something that is becoming quite obvious...

At this moment Anthony cannot play SF- especially against a 3 who does not stand around like Anthony does. Age...injury...whatever- the fact is that he cannot keep up with quicker 3's and is stymied by quicker defenders on the offensive end, where he tends to force things.

Whether or not this is a permanent thing or just part of his recovery- it still has to be taken into consideration.

Melo at 4 was something that was thought about after an interview he had, was feared by many before the season, and became a topic of some intense and heated discussion, if I remember correctly. I was against it, but if he is in the lineup at this time, I don't see how he can cope at the 3.

Just to stoke the flames... Once again, this is an example of why Carmelo should have shut down earlier last season and had more time to recover. There is a bit of karma going on here, IMO.

It was a major organizational and individual mistake to delay the surgery, and it is coming back to haunt us this season.

There were guys around who seemed to take some relish in discussing Anthony's recovery in the off-season, as if it was timed perfectly for him to be near 100% for the regular season. It would seem that some of you did not know what you were talking about, and that my criticism of Phil and Melo over his extended play and All-Star game appearance was more than warranted given the situation as it now exists.

I've been happy in many ways with how Anthony has carried himself since August, but his limitations on the court are becoming quite apparent, and I can't help but think that another 2 months in recovery would have been better for the team.

You know what, I am finally there. Watching that first play after halftime, on the half-assed psuedo switch with Rolo that was completely unnecessary - and this was only 1 example of many many bad defensive plays that Melo is apart of over the course of game - you can tell that either Melo don't got the legs or he don't got the effort necessary to play.

Theres a reason why Melo won the scoring title, playing PF.....Melo will always say it doesn't matter what position he plays. Just like I will always think my crossover is lightning fast. But thats the competitor in us older guys. Fisher doesn't have that history with the knicks and thinks Melo came in as a SF so he can play SF.....Thats true.....But right now, we need a motivated aggressive offensive minded Melo and thats as a PF.....He takes it personal whenever a bigger and slower guy is on him. He has too many moves for any PF in the league. The problem is KP at center may not be the best partner for Melo at PF, during long stretches. But PF is clearly Melo's best position until he retires. The issue is Phil built the team around multiple PF's, so that spot is already crowded. I feel for you Fish.....Not a good situation to start your coaching career.....Meanwhile, the water boy for GS can coach that team to a championship, while drinking Mai Tai's on a nude beach!

Fisher gotta bring his balls out and start swinging them around and slap some dudes. I would have called a timeout right there after seeing Melo lazy switch like that. Either that or pull him. For me, that's not Melo can only play PF at this point, it's Melo not putting in an iota of effort. If he's tired, sit or sub quick to get rest. And then punish Hayward on the other end where Melo got a weight and bulk advantage. Melo airballed an 18 footer last night where he was wide open. For me, that's troubling at a different level then the SF/PF position thing.

Agree 100%

AGREE 200%

well that's 2 dudes that wanna see Fisher's balls.

blkexec wrote:

martin wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

blkexec wrote:

martin wrote:

blkexec wrote:

martin wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:You guys are all missing something that is becoming quite obvious...

At this moment Anthony cannot play SF- especially against a 3 who does not stand around like Anthony does. Age...injury...whatever- the fact is that he cannot keep up with quicker 3's and is stymied by quicker defenders on the offensive end, where he tends to force things.

Whether or not this is a permanent thing or just part of his recovery- it still has to be taken into consideration.

Melo at 4 was something that was thought about after an interview he had, was feared by many before the season, and became a topic of some intense and heated discussion, if I remember correctly. I was against it, but if he is in the lineup at this time, I don't see how he can cope at the 3.

Just to stoke the flames... Once again, this is an example of why Carmelo should have shut down earlier last season and had more time to recover. There is a bit of karma going on here, IMO.

It was a major organizational and individual mistake to delay the surgery, and it is coming back to haunt us this season.

There were guys around who seemed to take some relish in discussing Anthony's recovery in the off-season, as if it was timed perfectly for him to be near 100% for the regular season. It would seem that some of you did not know what you were talking about, and that my criticism of Phil and Melo over his extended play and All-Star game appearance was more than warranted given the situation as it now exists.

I've been happy in many ways with how Anthony has carried himself since August, but his limitations on the court are becoming quite apparent, and I can't help but think that another 2 months in recovery would have been better for the team.

You know what, I am finally there. Watching that first play after halftime, on the half-assed psuedo switch with Rolo that was completely unnecessary - and this was only 1 example of many many bad defensive plays that Melo is apart of over the course of game - you can tell that either Melo don't got the legs or he don't got the effort necessary to play.

Theres a reason why Melo won the scoring title, playing PF.....Melo will always say it doesn't matter what position he plays. Just like I will always think my crossover is lightning fast. But thats the competitor in us older guys. Fisher doesn't have that history with the knicks and thinks Melo came in as a SF so he can play SF.....Thats true.....But right now, we need a motivated aggressive offensive minded Melo and thats as a PF.....He takes it personal whenever a bigger and slower guy is on him. He has too many moves for any PF in the league. The problem is KP at center may not be the best partner for Melo at PF, during long stretches. But PF is clearly Melo's best position until he retires. The issue is Phil built the team around multiple PF's, so that spot is already crowded. I feel for you Fish.....Not a good situation to start your coaching career.....Meanwhile, the water boy for GS can coach that team to a championship, while drinking Mai Tai's on a nude beach!

Fisher gotta bring his balls out and start swinging them around and slap some dudes. I would have called a timeout right there after seeing Melo lazy switch like that. Either that or pull him. For me, that's not Melo can only play PF at this point, it's Melo not putting in an iota of effort. If he's tired, sit or sub quick to get rest. And then punish Hayward on the other end where Melo got a weight and bulk advantage. Melo airballed an 18 footer last night where he was wide open. For me, that's troubling at a different level then the SF/PF position thing.

Agree 100%

AGREE 200%

well that's 2 dudes that wanna see Fisher's balls.

The day we see Fisher's balls is the day Phil Jackson retires......I doubt Fisher will be around that long! It's an interesting race......Fisher getting the axe vs Phil Jackson resigning! who wins this race? I can't see this going on for too long. Don't let Sac Town blow us out again today, the tabloids will have a field day with Melo, Fisher and Phil.....

I don't know, I just don't see that, the Fisher v Phil thing. Fish got a big, long deal for a big chunk of money. He seems to be the independent, leadership type, so I want to see that. Outside of Phil wanting to have some sort of Triangle offense, do you see anything else that would lead you to believe Phil be doing anything outside of what a President should be doing?

martin wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:You guys are all missing something that is becoming quite obvious...

At this moment Anthony cannot play SF- especially against a 3 who does not stand around like Anthony does. Age...injury...whatever- the fact is that he cannot keep up with quicker 3's and is stymied by quicker defenders on the offensive end, where he tends to force things.

Whether or not this is a permanent thing or just part of his recovery- it still has to be taken into consideration.

Melo at 4 was something that was thought about after an interview he had, was feared by many before the season, and became a topic of some intense and heated discussion, if I remember correctly. I was against it, but if he is in the lineup at this time, I don't see how he can cope at the 3.

Just to stoke the flames... Once again, this is an example of why Carmelo should have shut down earlier last season and had more time to recover. There is a bit of karma going on here, IMO.

It was a major organizational and individual mistake to delay the surgery, and it is coming back to haunt us this season.

There were guys around who seemed to take some relish in discussing Anthony's recovery in the off-season, as if it was timed perfectly for him to be near 100% for the regular season. It would seem that some of you did not know what you were talking about, and that my criticism of Phil and Melo over his extended play and All-Star game appearance was more than warranted given the situation as it now exists.

I've been happy in many ways with how Anthony has carried himself since August, but his limitations on the court are becoming quite apparent, and I can't help but think that another 2 months in recovery would have been better for the team.

You know what, I am finally there. Watching that first play after halftime, on the half-assed psuedo switch with Rolo that was completely unnecessary - and this was only 1 example of many many bad defensive plays that Melo is apart of over the course of game - you can tell that either Melo don't got the legs or he don't got the effort necessary to play.

I think he's as frustrated with himself as he is with the refs and the team's pacing.

Perhaps he's starting to worry about how long his recovery is taking, or maybe the leg was re-injured the other day.

Not a good situation if you have to alter a lineup to cater to a player who might still be unable to play the way you expect him to play, even with the positional move. When you're missing shots like Anthony, the position you're playing is not the problem. He's gotten some good looks as a 3 this year, but he's still not converting like we expect him to do.

For me, the only conclusion is that he is still in a recovery period, which is not a good sign, since we are already 23 games into the season.

If there was no re-injury it would seem that the only way to get him back on track is to reduce his MPG, and give him some well-timed days off.

mreinman wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:You guys are all missing something that is becoming quite obvious...

At this moment Anthony cannot play SF- especially against a 3 who does not stand around like Anthony does. Age...injury...whatever- the fact is that he cannot keep up with quicker 3's and is stymied by quicker defenders on the offensive end, where he tends to force things.

Whether or not this is a permanent thing or just part of his recovery- it still has to be taken into consideration.

Melo at 4 was something that was thought about after an interview he had, was feared by many before the season, and became a topic of some intense and heated discussion, if I remember correctly. I was against it, but if he is in the lineup at this time, I don't see how he can cope at the 3.

Just to stoke the flames... Once again, this is an example of why Carmelo should have shut down earlier last season and had more time to recover. There is a bit of karma going on here, IMO.

It was a major organizational and individual mistake to delay the surgery, and it is coming back to haunt us this season.

There were guys around who seemed to take some relish in discussing Anthony's recovery in the off-season, as if it was timed perfectly for him to be near 100% for the regular season. It would seem that some of you did not know what you were talking about, and that my criticism of Phil and Melo over his extended play and All-Star game appearance was more than warranted given the situation as it now exists.

I've been happy in many ways with how Anthony has carried himself since August, but his limitations on the court are becoming quite apparent, and I can't help but think that another 2 months in recovery would have been better for the team.

I thought that this was mentioned ad nauseum? The issue now is that if you play him at the 4 which is clearly where he needs to play is that you would have to play KP at center which some of us don't think that he is ready for (maybe next year + 10 lbs), or you would have to bring KP off the bench (not gonna happen much to the detriment of Melo).

The other option is to bring Melo off the bench just that he can play the 4. Not gonna happen either.

Melo and KP do play well together when they go small ball with LT so maybe at times, this is the best lineup and allows for Melo to not be guarded by quick 3's. The issue with that is the LT can be guarded by anyone and the defense can still put the 3 on Melo.

Not an easy formula and not the best pieces to work with.

The issue is that Anthony can't be at the 3, and KP is not ready for big minutes at 5.

No way Anthony comes off the bench- you know this.

If Fisher makes a change he'll have to move KP to the second unit and LT to the starting lineup. Put Anthony on a playing time limit and give him a day off every now and then.

Gay is not the kind of guy who runs around, from what I remember (Am I wrong on this??), so Anthony might do OK tonight, but the quicker SFs are going to run rings around him and make life miserable for the guys who have to cover for him.

Oquinn
KP
Melo
Galloway
Afflalo

Better defense. More athleticism. More fight!

CrushAlot wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:C Oquinn
F Porzingis
F Carmelo
G Affalo
G Calderon

C Admundson
F Thomas
F Williams
G Sasha
G Grant

I love OQuinn but I don't know that he fits as a starter. He seems a bit small against most starting centers. Also, he had some energy/effort problems of his own a few games back. I like Amundson in the second unit for energy and I am on the fence about Seraphin having a role on the court. I don't think Rolo just goes away. He might be a token starter until he figures things out.

So is Draymond Greene