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I agree with this: Carmelo "I don't get foul calls because I don't flop."
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12/9/2015  4:02 PM
crzymdups wrote:
fishmike wrote:for pussies. At least the NBA put a fine in for it. Also there is a difference between selling a call and flopping. Selling a call is when its ticky tack, but yea it actually did happen. Flopping is when it doesnt happen and your trying to trick the ref. Phucking lame... is this part of the new NBA thats passing me by also?

I agree. I do think Melo needs to learn how to sell the calls though.

But I have always felt like the refs let Melo get chewed up a little down low. They don't seem to like them.

Harden is averaging 11.4 free throws this year. And basically averaging 10 free throws a game since he got to Houston. It's so boring and kills the game's flow to me, which is one of the best parts of basketball.

I wish they'd look at it more - and I do wish Melo got more calls.

its the one part of the pro game I just cant stand. It just doesnt jive with me. The athletes that formed my love for sports simply would never do this, and yea.. some of that is old school. Would Jordan flop? Ewing? When Divac did it he picked his spots so it really had an impact, not EVERY time down the floor. If they put a rule in for it you know its a drag on the sport. What Lebron did do buy that technical after Tyson hit him in the neck was disgraceful. Just my 2c. Maybe others think its cute. I loathe it.
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12/9/2015  4:07 PM
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crzymdups wrote:
fishmike wrote:for pussies. At least the NBA put a fine in for it. Also there is a difference between selling a call and flopping. Selling a call is when its ticky tack, but yea it actually did happen. Flopping is when it doesnt happen and your trying to trick the ref. Phucking lame... is this part of the new NBA thats passing me by also?

I agree. I do think Melo needs to learn how to sell the calls though.

But I have always felt like the refs let Melo get chewed up a little down low. They don't seem to like them.

Harden is averaging 11.4 free throws this year. And basically averaging 10 free throws a game since he got to Houston. It's so boring and kills the game's flow to me, which is one of the best parts of basketball.

I wish they'd look at it more - and I do wish Melo got more calls.

its the one part of the pro game I just cant stand. It just doesnt jive with me. The athletes that formed my love for sports simply would never do this, and yea.. some of that is old school. Would Jordan flop? Ewing? When Divac did it he picked his spots so it really had an impact, not EVERY time down the floor. If they put a rule in for it you know its a drag on the sport. What Lebron did do buy that technical after Tyson hit him in the neck was disgraceful. Just my 2c. Maybe others think its cute. I loathe it.

Yea, you're just old. It's a part of the game, and if the league happens to catch you, then they'll fine you. But if you can get away with it, why not?

Greek Freak and Lebron seemingly travel the length of the court and never a whistle is blown in their direction. Harden leads the league in free throws the last couple of seasons and is constantly praised for his knack to get on the line. Melo bitches and get Teched up at crucial moments of the game instead of selling the foul. Get with the times.

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12/9/2015  4:15 PM
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crzymdups wrote:
fishmike wrote:for pussies. At least the NBA put a fine in for it. Also there is a difference between selling a call and flopping. Selling a call is when its ticky tack, but yea it actually did happen. Flopping is when it doesnt happen and your trying to trick the ref. Phucking lame... is this part of the new NBA thats passing me by also?

I agree. I do think Melo needs to learn how to sell the calls though.

But I have always felt like the refs let Melo get chewed up a little down low. They don't seem to like them.

Harden is averaging 11.4 free throws this year. And basically averaging 10 free throws a game since he got to Houston. It's so boring and kills the game's flow to me, which is one of the best parts of basketball.

I wish they'd look at it more - and I do wish Melo got more calls.

its the one part of the pro game I just cant stand. It just doesnt jive with me. The athletes that formed my love for sports simply would never do this, and yea.. some of that is old school. Would Jordan flop? Ewing? When Divac did it he picked his spots so it really had an impact, not EVERY time down the floor. If they put a rule in for it you know its a drag on the sport. What Lebron did do buy that technical after Tyson hit him in the neck was disgraceful. Just my 2c. Maybe others think its cute. I loathe it.

Yeah, I agree completely.


One other thing - the last two years are the lowest free throw attempts of his career. Is that all the mid-range jumpers the Triangle gets him? Is it him aging and not going to the hole more? Is his lack of lift due to the knee thing meaning he gets fewer calls? Is he just actually getting fewer calls? I have no idea.

But he's definitely getting fewer calls than he ever has. His usage is down a little this season, but it's higher than his second season when he averaged 7.6 free throw attempts on a 29% usage. He's averaging 5.6 free throw attempts on 30% usage this season.

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12/9/2015  4:21 PM
crzymdups wrote:
fishmike wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
fishmike wrote:for pussies. At least the NBA put a fine in for it. Also there is a difference between selling a call and flopping. Selling a call is when its ticky tack, but yea it actually did happen. Flopping is when it doesnt happen and your trying to trick the ref. Phucking lame... is this part of the new NBA thats passing me by also?

I agree. I do think Melo needs to learn how to sell the calls though.

But I have always felt like the refs let Melo get chewed up a little down low. They don't seem to like them.

Harden is averaging 11.4 free throws this year. And basically averaging 10 free throws a game since he got to Houston. It's so boring and kills the game's flow to me, which is one of the best parts of basketball.

I wish they'd look at it more - and I do wish Melo got more calls.

its the one part of the pro game I just cant stand. It just doesnt jive with me. The athletes that formed my love for sports simply would never do this, and yea.. some of that is old school. Would Jordan flop? Ewing? When Divac did it he picked his spots so it really had an impact, not EVERY time down the floor. If they put a rule in for it you know its a drag on the sport. What Lebron did do buy that technical after Tyson hit him in the neck was disgraceful. Just my 2c. Maybe others think its cute. I loathe it.

Yeah, I agree completely.


One other thing - the last two years are the lowest free throw attempts of his career. Is that all the mid-range jumpers the Triangle gets him? Is it him aging and not going to the hole more? Is his lack of lift due to the knee thing meaning he gets fewer calls? Is he just actually getting fewer calls? I have no idea.

But he's definitely getting fewer calls than he ever has. His usage is down a little this season, but it's higher than his second season when he averaged 7.6 free throw attempts on a 29% usage. He's averaging 5.6 free throw attempts on 30% usage this season.

he gets drilled and doesnt get calls.... who grabbed his arm shooting vs. Dallas? Mathews? That was an amazing non call. If you cant get that call then yea... your next is going to be a jumper. Thats human nature... try something different.
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12/9/2015  4:23 PM
crzymdups wrote:I looked it up because I remembered Melo getting more calls in the past than he has this season.

He was at the line 7.6 times per game in the 2012-3, as opposed to 5.6 per game this season. I'd say he's getting fewer calls these days. Possibly because he's missing more shots than normal?

He also had many many seasons over 8 attempts a game in Denver including 8.9 per game the last full season before he came to NY. He's never been over 8 per game since he got here.

Melo FTA by year:

03-04: 6.4
04-05: 7.6
05-06: 8.9
06-07: 8.7
07-08: 7.7
08-09: 7.1
09-10: 8.9
10-11 DEN: 8.3
10-11 NYK: 7.0
11-12: 6.7
12-13: 7.6
13-14: 7.0
14-15: 5.9
15-16: 5.7

So the last two years have been by far the lowest free throw attempts of his career.

Melo got more free throw attempts HIS ROOKIE SEASON than he is getting this year. Which seems crazy to me.

Also, if you look, his Denver years are generally higher than his NYK years.

2 things:

1. Melo is older so he does not have the same speed to create fouls
2. The whole team gets to the foul line less which I think is based on early triangle pain

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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12/9/2015  4:26 PM
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
crzymdups wrote:I agree strongly with this. I will now duck and hide from the Melo haters.

http://nypost.com/2015/12/09/carmelo-rant-refs-snub-me-because-im-too-strong-to-flop/

SALT LAKE CITY — A candid Carmelo Anthony explained his recent frustrations at not getting enough foul calls, saying he’s been told by referees he’s the most “difficult player’’ to officiate and vowing he will never flop.

Anthony, who has received a technical foul in two straight games, is in a five-game slump with his shooting percentage dipping to 40.6 percent on the season. He admitted his wife, La La, chastised him for yelling at the women’s referee Lauren Holtkamp in Monday’s loss to the Mavericks.

“They just tell me I’m the most difficult player to referee in the NBA,’’ Anthony said at the morning shootaround in Utah. “I’ve heard that a couple of times. It’s unclear on who is creating the contact. My goal is to go to the basket. If I’m creating the contact going toward the basket [and] I get hit, it’s a foul.’’

Anthony is one of the most physical drivers in the game, but said he feels he’s recently not being effective because he’s not getting to the free-throw line.

“I always get fouled,’’ Anthony said. “That’s what’s frustrating me. You play so hard, work so hard and don’t benefit from that. You look at other guys, you touch them and look at them wrong and get fouls. It’s a frustrating thing for me as a guy who likes to go to the basket, play in the paint. I like to play physical. It’s frustrating.

“I’m human,’’ Anthony added. “Those frustrations kick in at times, especially when you’re down there banging and know you’re getting banged on. I don’t know what else to do. I don’t know how to play another way.’’

So does he need to sell the foul more?

“See, I don’t know how to flop, that’s the thing,” Anthony said. “Nowadays guys know how to flop, get hit and put their head back. I don’t know how to flop. I won’t even look right trying to do that. I won’t even feel right trying it.

“A lot of times I get hit and I still continue to get to my spots just because I’m big and strong. A lot of guys get hit and they stop. I’m not saying they’re flopping, but they’re lighter than me. I can take a lot more physicality.”

Anthony’s extended remarks put him at risk of drawing a fine from the NBA. The league frowns on players criticizing the officiating.

But it’s not just the whistles. Anthony still believes he’s not in full groove after shutting down last season in February to undergo knee surgery and not getting on the court until August.

“The looks are there,’’ Anthony said. “Some days the rhythm is there, some days it’s not. It’s me staying in the gym finding that rhythm. Some nights they go in, some nights they don’t. There’s weeks it’s been back and games it’s not back. As a competitor, I get frustrated because I know I put so much work on those parts of my game, and when it doesn’t work out, I beat myself up.’’

The Knicks have lost six of their past eight games, and Derek Fisher has upped the level of urgency, staging a 70-minute morning shootaround after complaining of lack of practice time.

“We have to start looking at things and tightening up,’’ Anthony said. “The only time you can do that is in practice. When you don’t have that practice time, you start thinking about that. But now we got to go with it and got to get better in the games and use that as the experience and figure it out on the fly, too.’’

Anthony said the Knicks have held players meetings, and unlike heated ones in the past, these have gone smoothly.

“There’s no egos on this team,’’ Anthony said.

It's a great point. He almost never flops or tries to oversell the contact.

well maybe he should. Reggie did it all the time ... lebron, manu, even Duncan, if you can't beat em join em.

flopping is an art.

for pussies. At least the NBA put a fine in for it. Also there is a difference between selling a call and flopping. Selling a call is when its ticky tack, but yea it actually did happen. Flopping is when it doesnt happen and your trying to trick the ref. Phucking lame... is this part of the new NBA thats passing me by also?

reggie, karl malone and many oldies.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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12/9/2015  4:37 PM
mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
crzymdups wrote:I agree strongly with this. I will now duck and hide from the Melo haters.

http://nypost.com/2015/12/09/carmelo-rant-refs-snub-me-because-im-too-strong-to-flop/

SALT LAKE CITY — A candid Carmelo Anthony explained his recent frustrations at not getting enough foul calls, saying he’s been told by referees he’s the most “difficult player’’ to officiate and vowing he will never flop.

Anthony, who has received a technical foul in two straight games, is in a five-game slump with his shooting percentage dipping to 40.6 percent on the season. He admitted his wife, La La, chastised him for yelling at the women’s referee Lauren Holtkamp in Monday’s loss to the Mavericks.

“They just tell me I’m the most difficult player to referee in the NBA,’’ Anthony said at the morning shootaround in Utah. “I’ve heard that a couple of times. It’s unclear on who is creating the contact. My goal is to go to the basket. If I’m creating the contact going toward the basket [and] I get hit, it’s a foul.’’

Anthony is one of the most physical drivers in the game, but said he feels he’s recently not being effective because he’s not getting to the free-throw line.

“I always get fouled,’’ Anthony said. “That’s what’s frustrating me. You play so hard, work so hard and don’t benefit from that. You look at other guys, you touch them and look at them wrong and get fouls. It’s a frustrating thing for me as a guy who likes to go to the basket, play in the paint. I like to play physical. It’s frustrating.

“I’m human,’’ Anthony added. “Those frustrations kick in at times, especially when you’re down there banging and know you’re getting banged on. I don’t know what else to do. I don’t know how to play another way.’’

So does he need to sell the foul more?

“See, I don’t know how to flop, that’s the thing,” Anthony said. “Nowadays guys know how to flop, get hit and put their head back. I don’t know how to flop. I won’t even look right trying to do that. I won’t even feel right trying it.

“A lot of times I get hit and I still continue to get to my spots just because I’m big and strong. A lot of guys get hit and they stop. I’m not saying they’re flopping, but they’re lighter than me. I can take a lot more physicality.”

Anthony’s extended remarks put him at risk of drawing a fine from the NBA. The league frowns on players criticizing the officiating.

But it’s not just the whistles. Anthony still believes he’s not in full groove after shutting down last season in February to undergo knee surgery and not getting on the court until August.

“The looks are there,’’ Anthony said. “Some days the rhythm is there, some days it’s not. It’s me staying in the gym finding that rhythm. Some nights they go in, some nights they don’t. There’s weeks it’s been back and games it’s not back. As a competitor, I get frustrated because I know I put so much work on those parts of my game, and when it doesn’t work out, I beat myself up.’’

The Knicks have lost six of their past eight games, and Derek Fisher has upped the level of urgency, staging a 70-minute morning shootaround after complaining of lack of practice time.

“We have to start looking at things and tightening up,’’ Anthony said. “The only time you can do that is in practice. When you don’t have that practice time, you start thinking about that. But now we got to go with it and got to get better in the games and use that as the experience and figure it out on the fly, too.’’

Anthony said the Knicks have held players meetings, and unlike heated ones in the past, these have gone smoothly.

“There’s no egos on this team,’’ Anthony said.

It's a great point. He almost never flops or tries to oversell the contact.

well maybe he should. Reggie did it all the time ... lebron, manu, even Duncan, if you can't beat em join em.

flopping is an art.

for pussies. At least the NBA put a fine in for it. Also there is a difference between selling a call and flopping. Selling a call is when its ticky tack, but yea it actually did happen. Flopping is when it doesnt happen and your trying to trick the ref. Phucking lame... is this part of the new NBA thats passing me by also?

reggie, karl malone and many oldies.

Reggie sold contact yes, but nothing like what we see with Harden and to be fair he was 140 lbs lighter than everyone else on the court. Malone I dont really remember much but its a negative on his resume not a positive. Like a pitcher scuffing the ball. Not something to be proud of for getting away with. This is totally my opinion but I simply hate it, adds nothing to the game, hurts the integrity of it, and is weak, point blank. Dear Lebron, you are the greatest player of this generation and as a basketball fan I do not respect you because you flop. I hated MJ more than anyone... think he would flop? Get that weak as shiz outta here
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12/9/2015  4:44 PM
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
crzymdups wrote:I agree strongly with this. I will now duck and hide from the Melo haters.

http://nypost.com/2015/12/09/carmelo-rant-refs-snub-me-because-im-too-strong-to-flop/

SALT LAKE CITY — A candid Carmelo Anthony explained his recent frustrations at not getting enough foul calls, saying he’s been told by referees he’s the most “difficult player’’ to officiate and vowing he will never flop.

Anthony, who has received a technical foul in two straight games, is in a five-game slump with his shooting percentage dipping to 40.6 percent on the season. He admitted his wife, La La, chastised him for yelling at the women’s referee Lauren Holtkamp in Monday’s loss to the Mavericks.

“They just tell me I’m the most difficult player to referee in the NBA,’’ Anthony said at the morning shootaround in Utah. “I’ve heard that a couple of times. It’s unclear on who is creating the contact. My goal is to go to the basket. If I’m creating the contact going toward the basket [and] I get hit, it’s a foul.’’

Anthony is one of the most physical drivers in the game, but said he feels he’s recently not being effective because he’s not getting to the free-throw line.

“I always get fouled,’’ Anthony said. “That’s what’s frustrating me. You play so hard, work so hard and don’t benefit from that. You look at other guys, you touch them and look at them wrong and get fouls. It’s a frustrating thing for me as a guy who likes to go to the basket, play in the paint. I like to play physical. It’s frustrating.

“I’m human,’’ Anthony added. “Those frustrations kick in at times, especially when you’re down there banging and know you’re getting banged on. I don’t know what else to do. I don’t know how to play another way.’’

So does he need to sell the foul more?

“See, I don’t know how to flop, that’s the thing,” Anthony said. “Nowadays guys know how to flop, get hit and put their head back. I don’t know how to flop. I won’t even look right trying to do that. I won’t even feel right trying it.

“A lot of times I get hit and I still continue to get to my spots just because I’m big and strong. A lot of guys get hit and they stop. I’m not saying they’re flopping, but they’re lighter than me. I can take a lot more physicality.”

Anthony’s extended remarks put him at risk of drawing a fine from the NBA. The league frowns on players criticizing the officiating.

But it’s not just the whistles. Anthony still believes he’s not in full groove after shutting down last season in February to undergo knee surgery and not getting on the court until August.

“The looks are there,’’ Anthony said. “Some days the rhythm is there, some days it’s not. It’s me staying in the gym finding that rhythm. Some nights they go in, some nights they don’t. There’s weeks it’s been back and games it’s not back. As a competitor, I get frustrated because I know I put so much work on those parts of my game, and when it doesn’t work out, I beat myself up.’’

The Knicks have lost six of their past eight games, and Derek Fisher has upped the level of urgency, staging a 70-minute morning shootaround after complaining of lack of practice time.

“We have to start looking at things and tightening up,’’ Anthony said. “The only time you can do that is in practice. When you don’t have that practice time, you start thinking about that. But now we got to go with it and got to get better in the games and use that as the experience and figure it out on the fly, too.’’

Anthony said the Knicks have held players meetings, and unlike heated ones in the past, these have gone smoothly.

“There’s no egos on this team,’’ Anthony said.

It's a great point. He almost never flops or tries to oversell the contact.

well maybe he should. Reggie did it all the time ... lebron, manu, even Duncan, if you can't beat em join em.

flopping is an art.

for pussies. At least the NBA put a fine in for it. Also there is a difference between selling a call and flopping. Selling a call is when its ticky tack, but yea it actually did happen. Flopping is when it doesnt happen and your trying to trick the ref. Phucking lame... is this part of the new NBA thats passing me by also?

reggie, karl malone and many oldies.

Reggie sold contact yes, but nothing like what we see with Harden and to be fair he was 140 lbs lighter than everyone else on the court. Malone I dont really remember much but its a negative on his resume not a positive. Like a pitcher scuffing the ball. Not something to be proud of for getting away with. This is totally my opinion but I simply hate it, adds nothing to the game, hurts the integrity of it, and is weak, point blank. Dear Lebron, you are the greatest player of this generation and as a basketball fan I do not respect you because you flop. I hated MJ more than anyone... think he would flop? Get that weak as shiz outta here

thats just anger and I get it but I don't care really. Makes the refs look like idiots if anything.

Gallo was/is a huge flopper. Thought you really like him.

Harden's flopping is comedy sometimes to me but the dude also gets fouled more than anybody with his herky jerkyness so the refs have a really hard time with him the way that he sells the calls.

I absolutely love manu and he is super flopper. It really is an art and this is entertainment and I actually find it entertaining.

Dirk flops too, Tyson - huge flopper ...

Flopping really started getting big when the nba stopped hard fouls.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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12/9/2015  4:59 PM
mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
crzymdups wrote:I agree strongly with this. I will now duck and hide from the Melo haters.

http://nypost.com/2015/12/09/carmelo-rant-refs-snub-me-because-im-too-strong-to-flop/

SALT LAKE CITY — A candid Carmelo Anthony explained his recent frustrations at not getting enough foul calls, saying he’s been told by referees he’s the most “difficult player’’ to officiate and vowing he will never flop.

Anthony, who has received a technical foul in two straight games, is in a five-game slump with his shooting percentage dipping to 40.6 percent on the season. He admitted his wife, La La, chastised him for yelling at the women’s referee Lauren Holtkamp in Monday’s loss to the Mavericks.

“They just tell me I’m the most difficult player to referee in the NBA,’’ Anthony said at the morning shootaround in Utah. “I’ve heard that a couple of times. It’s unclear on who is creating the contact. My goal is to go to the basket. If I’m creating the contact going toward the basket [and] I get hit, it’s a foul.’’

Anthony is one of the most physical drivers in the game, but said he feels he’s recently not being effective because he’s not getting to the free-throw line.

“I always get fouled,’’ Anthony said. “That’s what’s frustrating me. You play so hard, work so hard and don’t benefit from that. You look at other guys, you touch them and look at them wrong and get fouls. It’s a frustrating thing for me as a guy who likes to go to the basket, play in the paint. I like to play physical. It’s frustrating.

“I’m human,’’ Anthony added. “Those frustrations kick in at times, especially when you’re down there banging and know you’re getting banged on. I don’t know what else to do. I don’t know how to play another way.’’

So does he need to sell the foul more?

“See, I don’t know how to flop, that’s the thing,” Anthony said. “Nowadays guys know how to flop, get hit and put their head back. I don’t know how to flop. I won’t even look right trying to do that. I won’t even feel right trying it.

“A lot of times I get hit and I still continue to get to my spots just because I’m big and strong. A lot of guys get hit and they stop. I’m not saying they’re flopping, but they’re lighter than me. I can take a lot more physicality.”

Anthony’s extended remarks put him at risk of drawing a fine from the NBA. The league frowns on players criticizing the officiating.

But it’s not just the whistles. Anthony still believes he’s not in full groove after shutting down last season in February to undergo knee surgery and not getting on the court until August.

“The looks are there,’’ Anthony said. “Some days the rhythm is there, some days it’s not. It’s me staying in the gym finding that rhythm. Some nights they go in, some nights they don’t. There’s weeks it’s been back and games it’s not back. As a competitor, I get frustrated because I know I put so much work on those parts of my game, and when it doesn’t work out, I beat myself up.’’

The Knicks have lost six of their past eight games, and Derek Fisher has upped the level of urgency, staging a 70-minute morning shootaround after complaining of lack of practice time.

“We have to start looking at things and tightening up,’’ Anthony said. “The only time you can do that is in practice. When you don’t have that practice time, you start thinking about that. But now we got to go with it and got to get better in the games and use that as the experience and figure it out on the fly, too.’’

Anthony said the Knicks have held players meetings, and unlike heated ones in the past, these have gone smoothly.

“There’s no egos on this team,’’ Anthony said.

It's a great point. He almost never flops or tries to oversell the contact.

well maybe he should. Reggie did it all the time ... lebron, manu, even Duncan, if you can't beat em join em.

flopping is an art.

for pussies. At least the NBA put a fine in for it. Also there is a difference between selling a call and flopping. Selling a call is when its ticky tack, but yea it actually did happen. Flopping is when it doesnt happen and your trying to trick the ref. Phucking lame... is this part of the new NBA thats passing me by also?

reggie, karl malone and many oldies.

Reggie sold contact yes, but nothing like what we see with Harden and to be fair he was 140 lbs lighter than everyone else on the court. Malone I dont really remember much but its a negative on his resume not a positive. Like a pitcher scuffing the ball. Not something to be proud of for getting away with. This is totally my opinion but I simply hate it, adds nothing to the game, hurts the integrity of it, and is weak, point blank. Dear Lebron, you are the greatest player of this generation and as a basketball fan I do not respect you because you flop. I hated MJ more than anyone... think he would flop? Get that weak as shiz outta here

thats just anger and I get it but I don't care really. Makes the refs look like idiots if anything.

Gallo was/is a huge flopper. Thought you really like him.

Harden's flopping is comedy sometimes to me but the dude also gets fouled more than anybody with his herky jerkyness so the refs have a really hard time with him the way that he sells the calls.

I absolutely love manu and he is super flopper. It really is an art and this is entertainment and I actually find it entertaining.

Dirk flops too, Tyson - huge flopper ...

Flopping really started getting big when the nba stopped hard fouls.

Isnt Manu from Argentina? Makes sense considering they are the world renouned futball floppers. Which Gallo? Langston? I have not seen that very much from him to be honest. Does anythig ruin a game flow more than play stoppage for flopping? If there was ever a time for the word this is that time... disgusting. If thats the trend in the league I will eventually just stop watching. Why watch something you dont enjoy or respect? I seriously hope thats not the trend. Nothing is more entertaining than world class athletes crying to refs for non contact. Its why I simply dont watch world cup any more. I have worked for European banks for a decade plus so its always on. I used to watch. I dont. I dont respect how that game is played. Watching my 10 year old play is honestly more enjoyable.
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12/9/2015  5:03 PM
crzymdups wrote:I agree strongly with this. I will now duck and hide from the Melo haters.

http://nypost.com/2015/12/09/carmelo-rant-refs-snub-me-because-im-too-strong-to-flop/

SALT LAKE CITY — A candid Carmelo Anthony explained his recent frustrations at not getting enough foul calls, saying he’s been told by referees he’s the most “difficult player’’ to officiate and vowing he will never flop.

Anthony, who has received a technical foul in two straight games, is in a five-game slump with his shooting percentage dipping to 40.6 percent on the season. He admitted his wife, La La, chastised him for yelling at the women’s referee Lauren Holtkamp in Monday’s loss to the Mavericks.

“They just tell me I’m the most difficult player to referee in the NBA,’’ Anthony said at the morning shootaround in Utah. “I’ve heard that a couple of times. It’s unclear on who is creating the contact. My goal is to go to the basket. If I’m creating the contact going toward the basket [and] I get hit, it’s a foul.’’

Anthony is one of the most physical drivers in the game, but said he feels he’s recently not being effective because he’s not getting to the free-throw line.

“I always get fouled,’’ Anthony said. “That’s what’s frustrating me. You play so hard, work so hard and don’t benefit from that. You look at other guys, you touch them and look at them wrong and get fouls. It’s a frustrating thing for me as a guy who likes to go to the basket, play in the paint. I like to play physical. It’s frustrating.

“I’m human,’’ Anthony added. “Those frustrations kick in at times, especially when you’re down there banging and know you’re getting banged on. I don’t know what else to do. I don’t know how to play another way.’’

So does he need to sell the foul more?

“See, I don’t know how to flop, that’s the thing,” Anthony said. “Nowadays guys know how to flop, get hit and put their head back. I don’t know how to flop. I won’t even look right trying to do that. I won’t even feel right trying it.

“A lot of times I get hit and I still continue to get to my spots just because I’m big and strong. A lot of guys get hit and they stop. I’m not saying they’re flopping, but they’re lighter than me. I can take a lot more physicality.”

Anthony’s extended remarks put him at risk of drawing a fine from the NBA. The league frowns on players criticizing the officiating.

But it’s not just the whistles. Anthony still believes he’s not in full groove after shutting down last season in February to undergo knee surgery and not getting on the court until August.

“The looks are there,’’ Anthony said. “Some days the rhythm is there, some days it’s not. It’s me staying in the gym finding that rhythm. Some nights they go in, some nights they don’t. There’s weeks it’s been back and games it’s not back. As a competitor, I get frustrated because I know I put so much work on those parts of my game, and when it doesn’t work out, I beat myself up.’’

The Knicks have lost six of their past eight games, and Derek Fisher has upped the level of urgency, staging a 70-minute morning shootaround after complaining of lack of practice time.

“We have to start looking at things and tightening up,’’ Anthony said. “The only time you can do that is in practice. When you don’t have that practice time, you start thinking about that. But now we got to go with it and got to get better in the games and use that as the experience and figure it out on the fly, too.’’

Anthony said the Knicks have held players meetings, and unlike heated ones in the past, these have gone smoothly.

“There’s no egos on this team,’’ Anthony said.

melo needs to offset his bully-ball with what other players do: pass the ball or stop and pump fake to draw fouls that way.

he is difficult to officiate because he likes bully ball and he is the one who initiates contact. if the ref sees the same play over and over and over and over again, the ref is going to be inured to melo's initiating contact.

again, all he needs to do is reverse his dribble, do a step back a la paul pierce, pass the ball, throw in a ball/head/shoulder fake to give the defender a different look, and i am sure the refs will start giving him more calls.

if you play bully ball long enough this may be the result: fewer calls.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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12/9/2015  5:04 PM
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2 things:

1. Melo is older so he does not have the same speed to create fouls
2. The whole team gets to the foul line less which I think is based on early triangle pain

I definitely agree with point 2.

I'm less sure about point 1, but it could be right.

By the eye test, I'm seeing a lot more ocassions where Melo is down low and not getting calls. You can look at all that data on NBA.com - how close defenders are when guys get their touches and everything. But that wouldn't tell you about the speed and whether there was contact and all that.

I think Melo is probably slower and probably has less lift right now as he regains strength and (hopefully) recovers from his knee surgery. I'm sure all that is playing into it.

I'd be curious to see how much FTAs have dropped for the team in the Triangle... thought that'd be somewhat difficult because the personnel is so different from last year and I believe Melo is the only player left from 2013's Knicks team.

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12/9/2015  5:13 PM
crzymdups wrote:
mreinman wrote:

2 things:

1. Melo is older so he does not have the same speed to create fouls
2. The whole team gets to the foul line less which I think is based on early triangle pain

I definitely agree with point 2.

I'm less sure about point 1, but it could be right.

Easy enough to test. Identify a handful of players that profile in the ballpark as Melo, see if you can find any trends in decline in FTA per 36/48 or 100 poss during the course of a carer.

If a unmistakable pattern exists, MR is likely correct.

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12/9/2015  5:15 PM
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crzymdups wrote:I agree strongly with this. I will now duck and hide from the Melo haters.

http://nypost.com/2015/12/09/carmelo-rant-refs-snub-me-because-im-too-strong-to-flop/

SALT LAKE CITY — A candid Carmelo Anthony explained his recent frustrations at not getting enough foul calls, saying he’s been told by referees he’s the most “difficult player’’ to officiate and vowing he will never flop.

Anthony, who has received a technical foul in two straight games, is in a five-game slump with his shooting percentage dipping to 40.6 percent on the season. He admitted his wife, La La, chastised him for yelling at the women’s referee Lauren Holtkamp in Monday’s loss to the Mavericks.

“They just tell me I’m the most difficult player to referee in the NBA,’’ Anthony said at the morning shootaround in Utah. “I’ve heard that a couple of times. It’s unclear on who is creating the contact. My goal is to go to the basket. If I’m creating the contact going toward the basket [and] I get hit, it’s a foul.’’

Anthony is one of the most physical drivers in the game, but said he feels he’s recently not being effective because he’s not getting to the free-throw line.

“I always get fouled,’’ Anthony said. “That’s what’s frustrating me. You play so hard, work so hard and don’t benefit from that. You look at other guys, you touch them and look at them wrong and get fouls. It’s a frustrating thing for me as a guy who likes to go to the basket, play in the paint. I like to play physical. It’s frustrating.

“I’m human,’’ Anthony added. “Those frustrations kick in at times, especially when you’re down there banging and know you’re getting banged on. I don’t know what else to do. I don’t know how to play another way.’’

So does he need to sell the foul more?

“See, I don’t know how to flop, that’s the thing,” Anthony said. “Nowadays guys know how to flop, get hit and put their head back. I don’t know how to flop. I won’t even look right trying to do that. I won’t even feel right trying it.

“A lot of times I get hit and I still continue to get to my spots just because I’m big and strong. A lot of guys get hit and they stop. I’m not saying they’re flopping, but they’re lighter than me. I can take a lot more physicality.”

Anthony’s extended remarks put him at risk of drawing a fine from the NBA. The league frowns on players criticizing the officiating.

But it’s not just the whistles. Anthony still believes he’s not in full groove after shutting down last season in February to undergo knee surgery and not getting on the court until August.

“The looks are there,’’ Anthony said. “Some days the rhythm is there, some days it’s not. It’s me staying in the gym finding that rhythm. Some nights they go in, some nights they don’t. There’s weeks it’s been back and games it’s not back. As a competitor, I get frustrated because I know I put so much work on those parts of my game, and when it doesn’t work out, I beat myself up.’’

The Knicks have lost six of their past eight games, and Derek Fisher has upped the level of urgency, staging a 70-minute morning shootaround after complaining of lack of practice time.

“We have to start looking at things and tightening up,’’ Anthony said. “The only time you can do that is in practice. When you don’t have that practice time, you start thinking about that. But now we got to go with it and got to get better in the games and use that as the experience and figure it out on the fly, too.’’

Anthony said the Knicks have held players meetings, and unlike heated ones in the past, these have gone smoothly.

“There’s no egos on this team,’’ Anthony said.

It's a great point. He almost never flops or tries to oversell the contact.

Melo is to be blamed for not adjusting his game. Harden makes a living flopping. He adds more the. 12 points to his average every game from doing just that. Melo needs to take acting class and learn how to flop. It is an art he must master

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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12/9/2015  5:44 PM
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Knixkik wrote:
crzymdups wrote:I agree strongly with this. I will now duck and hide from the Melo haters.

http://nypost.com/2015/12/09/carmelo-rant-refs-snub-me-because-im-too-strong-to-flop/

SALT LAKE CITY — A candid Carmelo Anthony explained his recent frustrations at not getting enough foul calls, saying he’s been told by referees he’s the most “difficult player’’ to officiate and vowing he will never flop.

Anthony, who has received a technical foul in two straight games, is in a five-game slump with his shooting percentage dipping to 40.6 percent on the season. He admitted his wife, La La, chastised him for yelling at the women’s referee Lauren Holtkamp in Monday’s loss to the Mavericks.

“They just tell me I’m the most difficult player to referee in the NBA,’’ Anthony said at the morning shootaround in Utah. “I’ve heard that a couple of times. It’s unclear on who is creating the contact. My goal is to go to the basket. If I’m creating the contact going toward the basket [and] I get hit, it’s a foul.’’

Anthony is one of the most physical drivers in the game, but said he feels he’s recently not being effective because he’s not getting to the free-throw line.

“I always get fouled,’’ Anthony said. “That’s what’s frustrating me. You play so hard, work so hard and don’t benefit from that. You look at other guys, you touch them and look at them wrong and get fouls. It’s a frustrating thing for me as a guy who likes to go to the basket, play in the paint. I like to play physical. It’s frustrating.

“I’m human,’’ Anthony added. “Those frustrations kick in at times, especially when you’re down there banging and know you’re getting banged on. I don’t know what else to do. I don’t know how to play another way.’’

So does he need to sell the foul more?

“See, I don’t know how to flop, that’s the thing,” Anthony said. “Nowadays guys know how to flop, get hit and put their head back. I don’t know how to flop. I won’t even look right trying to do that. I won’t even feel right trying it.

“A lot of times I get hit and I still continue to get to my spots just because I’m big and strong. A lot of guys get hit and they stop. I’m not saying they’re flopping, but they’re lighter than me. I can take a lot more physicality.”

Anthony’s extended remarks put him at risk of drawing a fine from the NBA. The league frowns on players criticizing the officiating.

But it’s not just the whistles. Anthony still believes he’s not in full groove after shutting down last season in February to undergo knee surgery and not getting on the court until August.

“The looks are there,’’ Anthony said. “Some days the rhythm is there, some days it’s not. It’s me staying in the gym finding that rhythm. Some nights they go in, some nights they don’t. There’s weeks it’s been back and games it’s not back. As a competitor, I get frustrated because I know I put so much work on those parts of my game, and when it doesn’t work out, I beat myself up.’’

The Knicks have lost six of their past eight games, and Derek Fisher has upped the level of urgency, staging a 70-minute morning shootaround after complaining of lack of practice time.

“We have to start looking at things and tightening up,’’ Anthony said. “The only time you can do that is in practice. When you don’t have that practice time, you start thinking about that. But now we got to go with it and got to get better in the games and use that as the experience and figure it out on the fly, too.’’

Anthony said the Knicks have held players meetings, and unlike heated ones in the past, these have gone smoothly.

“There’s no egos on this team,’’ Anthony said.

It's a great point. He almost never flops or tries to oversell the contact.

Melo is to be blamed for not adjusting his game. Harden makes a living flopping. He adds more the. 12 points to his average every game from doing just that. Melo needs to take acting class and learn how to flop. It is an art he must master

So why isn't EVERY player in the ballpark as Harden? Why is Durant settling for 6.6?

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12/9/2015  5:52 PM
crzymdups wrote:I looked it up because I remembered Melo getting more calls in the past than he has this season.

He was at the line 7.6 times per game in the 2012-3, as opposed to 5.6 per game this season. I'd say he's getting fewer calls these days. Possibly because he's missing more shots than normal?

He also had many many seasons over 8 attempts a game in Denver including 8.9 per game the last full season before he came to NY. He's never been over 8 per game since he got here.

Melo FTA by year:

03-04: 6.4
04-05: 7.6
05-06: 8.9
06-07: 8.7
07-08: 7.7
08-09: 7.1
09-10: 8.9
10-11 DEN: 8.3
10-11 NYK: 7.0
11-12: 6.7
12-13: 7.6
13-14: 7.0
14-15: 5.9
15-16: 5.7

So the last two years have been by far the lowest free throw attempts of his career.

Melo got more free throw attempts HIS ROOKIE SEASON than he is getting this year. Which seems crazy to me.

Also, if you look, his Denver years are generally higher than his NYK years.


That is a great stat. Thanks for posting it and I see know reason why his attempts should be going down. I know I watch games with a bias but when the announcers bring up the none calls and show the fouls on replay and the nba releases the calls missed by refs in the final two minutes and it all shows that Melo was fouled I feel justified in being so pissed off at the lack of calls Melo gets.
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12/9/2015  5:57 PM
Biggest difference I think is he's not as aggressive going to the hole like he was in Denver ... But then again why sacrifice your body if your not getting calls ... Melo for some reason dose not get the star treatment he deserves... He's still arguably the best scorer in the league ... And I don't buy the to strong thing ... See Lebron and Lebron gets lots of calls even calls he shouldn't ... Melo deserves Lebron treatment when it comes to getting calls...

As a matter of fact the Knicks should send a video to the league offices of every game of just all the missed calls on Melo because there's on average about ten ... Now should Melo go to the line 18 times a game probably not... But we should as a organization demand the respect we deserve from the refs

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12/9/2015  6:00 PM
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mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
crzymdups wrote:I agree strongly with this. I will now duck and hide from the Melo haters.

http://nypost.com/2015/12/09/carmelo-rant-refs-snub-me-because-im-too-strong-to-flop/

SALT LAKE CITY — A candid Carmelo Anthony explained his recent frustrations at not getting enough foul calls, saying he’s been told by referees he’s the most “difficult player’’ to officiate and vowing he will never flop.

Anthony, who has received a technical foul in two straight games, is in a five-game slump with his shooting percentage dipping to 40.6 percent on the season. He admitted his wife, La La, chastised him for yelling at the women’s referee Lauren Holtkamp in Monday’s loss to the Mavericks.

“They just tell me I’m the most difficult player to referee in the NBA,’’ Anthony said at the morning shootaround in Utah. “I’ve heard that a couple of times. It’s unclear on who is creating the contact. My goal is to go to the basket. If I’m creating the contact going toward the basket [and] I get hit, it’s a foul.’’

Anthony is one of the most physical drivers in the game, but said he feels he’s recently not being effective because he’s not getting to the free-throw line.

“I always get fouled,’’ Anthony said. “That’s what’s frustrating me. You play so hard, work so hard and don’t benefit from that. You look at other guys, you touch them and look at them wrong and get fouls. It’s a frustrating thing for me as a guy who likes to go to the basket, play in the paint. I like to play physical. It’s frustrating.

“I’m human,’’ Anthony added. “Those frustrations kick in at times, especially when you’re down there banging and know you’re getting banged on. I don’t know what else to do. I don’t know how to play another way.’’

So does he need to sell the foul more?

“See, I don’t know how to flop, that’s the thing,” Anthony said. “Nowadays guys know how to flop, get hit and put their head back. I don’t know how to flop. I won’t even look right trying to do that. I won’t even feel right trying it.

“A lot of times I get hit and I still continue to get to my spots just because I’m big and strong. A lot of guys get hit and they stop. I’m not saying they’re flopping, but they’re lighter than me. I can take a lot more physicality.”

Anthony’s extended remarks put him at risk of drawing a fine from the NBA. The league frowns on players criticizing the officiating.

But it’s not just the whistles. Anthony still believes he’s not in full groove after shutting down last season in February to undergo knee surgery and not getting on the court until August.

“The looks are there,’’ Anthony said. “Some days the rhythm is there, some days it’s not. It’s me staying in the gym finding that rhythm. Some nights they go in, some nights they don’t. There’s weeks it’s been back and games it’s not back. As a competitor, I get frustrated because I know I put so much work on those parts of my game, and when it doesn’t work out, I beat myself up.’’

The Knicks have lost six of their past eight games, and Derek Fisher has upped the level of urgency, staging a 70-minute morning shootaround after complaining of lack of practice time.

“We have to start looking at things and tightening up,’’ Anthony said. “The only time you can do that is in practice. When you don’t have that practice time, you start thinking about that. But now we got to go with it and got to get better in the games and use that as the experience and figure it out on the fly, too.’’

Anthony said the Knicks have held players meetings, and unlike heated ones in the past, these have gone smoothly.

“There’s no egos on this team,’’ Anthony said.

It's a great point. He almost never flops or tries to oversell the contact.

well maybe he should. Reggie did it all the time ... lebron, manu, even Duncan, if you can't beat em join em.

flopping is an art.

for pussies. At least the NBA put a fine in for it. Also there is a difference between selling a call and flopping. Selling a call is when its ticky tack, but yea it actually did happen. Flopping is when it doesnt happen and your trying to trick the ref. Phucking lame... is this part of the new NBA thats passing me by also?

reggie, karl malone and many oldies.

Reggie sold contact yes, but nothing like what we see with Harden and to be fair he was 140 lbs lighter than everyone else on the court. Malone I dont really remember much but its a negative on his resume not a positive. Like a pitcher scuffing the ball. Not something to be proud of for getting away with. This is totally my opinion but I simply hate it, adds nothing to the game, hurts the integrity of it, and is weak, point blank. Dear Lebron, you are the greatest player of this generation and as a basketball fan I do not respect you because you flop. I hated MJ more than anyone... think he would flop? Get that weak as shiz outta here

thats just anger and I get it but I don't care really. Makes the refs look like idiots if anything.

Gallo was/is a huge flopper. Thought you really like him.

Harden's flopping is comedy sometimes to me but the dude also gets fouled more than anybody with his herky jerkyness so the refs have a really hard time with him the way that he sells the calls.

I absolutely love manu and he is super flopper. It really is an art and this is entertainment and I actually find it entertaining.

Dirk flops too, Tyson - huge flopper ...

Flopping really started getting big when the nba stopped hard fouls.

Isnt Manu from Argentina? Makes sense considering they are the world renouned futball floppers. Which Gallo? Langston? I have not seen that very much from him to be honest. Does anythig ruin a game flow more than play stoppage for flopping? If there was ever a time for the word this is that time... disgusting. If thats the trend in the league I will eventually just stop watching. Why watch something you dont enjoy or respect? I seriously hope thats not the trend. Nothing is more entertaining than world class athletes crying to refs for non contact. Its why I simply dont watch world cup any more. I have worked for European banks for a decade plus so its always on. I used to watch. I dont. I dont respect how that game is played. Watching my 10 year old play is honestly more enjoyable.

Wade is a great player and he got that pump fake and move into a jumping defender down to a science and gets the call all the time. Some call it art to be copied but I view it as obvious gimmick that lowers the game, one that isnt even called much these days atthe hs level as refs have been instructed that defenders also have right to space if they go straight up and down. Melo has a legit beef at times and doesnt at other times
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12/9/2015  6:18 PM
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Knixkik wrote:
crzymdups wrote:I agree strongly with this. I will now duck and hide from the Melo haters.

http://nypost.com/2015/12/09/carmelo-rant-refs-snub-me-because-im-too-strong-to-flop/

SALT LAKE CITY — A candid Carmelo Anthony explained his recent frustrations at not getting enough foul calls, saying he’s been told by referees he’s the most “difficult player’’ to officiate and vowing he will never flop.

Anthony, who has received a technical foul in two straight games, is in a five-game slump with his shooting percentage dipping to 40.6 percent on the season. He admitted his wife, La La, chastised him for yelling at the women’s referee Lauren Holtkamp in Monday’s loss to the Mavericks.

“They just tell me I’m the most difficult player to referee in the NBA,’’ Anthony said at the morning shootaround in Utah. “I’ve heard that a couple of times. It’s unclear on who is creating the contact. My goal is to go to the basket. If I’m creating the contact going toward the basket [and] I get hit, it’s a foul.’’

Anthony is one of the most physical drivers in the game, but said he feels he’s recently not being effective because he’s not getting to the free-throw line.

“I always get fouled,’’ Anthony said. “That’s what’s frustrating me. You play so hard, work so hard and don’t benefit from that. You look at other guys, you touch them and look at them wrong and get fouls. It’s a frustrating thing for me as a guy who likes to go to the basket, play in the paint. I like to play physical. It’s frustrating.

“I’m human,’’ Anthony added. “Those frustrations kick in at times, especially when you’re down there banging and know you’re getting banged on. I don’t know what else to do. I don’t know how to play another way.’’

So does he need to sell the foul more?

“See, I don’t know how to flop, that’s the thing,” Anthony said. “Nowadays guys know how to flop, get hit and put their head back. I don’t know how to flop. I won’t even look right trying to do that. I won’t even feel right trying it.

“A lot of times I get hit and I still continue to get to my spots just because I’m big and strong. A lot of guys get hit and they stop. I’m not saying they’re flopping, but they’re lighter than me. I can take a lot more physicality.”

Anthony’s extended remarks put him at risk of drawing a fine from the NBA. The league frowns on players criticizing the officiating.

But it’s not just the whistles. Anthony still believes he’s not in full groove after shutting down last season in February to undergo knee surgery and not getting on the court until August.

“The looks are there,’’ Anthony said. “Some days the rhythm is there, some days it’s not. It’s me staying in the gym finding that rhythm. Some nights they go in, some nights they don’t. There’s weeks it’s been back and games it’s not back. As a competitor, I get frustrated because I know I put so much work on those parts of my game, and when it doesn’t work out, I beat myself up.’’

The Knicks have lost six of their past eight games, and Derek Fisher has upped the level of urgency, staging a 70-minute morning shootaround after complaining of lack of practice time.

“We have to start looking at things and tightening up,’’ Anthony said. “The only time you can do that is in practice. When you don’t have that practice time, you start thinking about that. But now we got to go with it and got to get better in the games and use that as the experience and figure it out on the fly, too.’’

Anthony said the Knicks have held players meetings, and unlike heated ones in the past, these have gone smoothly.

“There’s no egos on this team,’’ Anthony said.

It's a great point. He almost never flops or tries to oversell the contact.

Melo is to be blamed for not adjusting his game. Harden makes a living flopping. He adds more the. 12 points to his average every game from doing just that. Melo needs to take acting class and learn how to flop. It is an art he must master

geeeez stop.

Harden may get a 1 or 2 extra a game (which is a lot)

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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12/9/2015  6:21 PM
also, the fact that Melo rarely pump fakes is another thing that limits his foul calls. Maybe faking out a defender is a ***** move though What happened to good ole smash mouth men?? Wilt don't pump ... oh wait
so here is what phil is thinking ....
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12/9/2015  6:22 PM
mreinman wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
crzymdups wrote:I agree strongly with this. I will now duck and hide from the Melo haters.

http://nypost.com/2015/12/09/carmelo-rant-refs-snub-me-because-im-too-strong-to-flop/

SALT LAKE CITY — A candid Carmelo Anthony explained his recent frustrations at not getting enough foul calls, saying he’s been told by referees he’s the most “difficult player’’ to officiate and vowing he will never flop.

Anthony, who has received a technical foul in two straight games, is in a five-game slump with his shooting percentage dipping to 40.6 percent on the season. He admitted his wife, La La, chastised him for yelling at the women’s referee Lauren Holtkamp in Monday’s loss to the Mavericks.

“They just tell me I’m the most difficult player to referee in the NBA,’’ Anthony said at the morning shootaround in Utah. “I’ve heard that a couple of times. It’s unclear on who is creating the contact. My goal is to go to the basket. If I’m creating the contact going toward the basket [and] I get hit, it’s a foul.’’

Anthony is one of the most physical drivers in the game, but said he feels he’s recently not being effective because he’s not getting to the free-throw line.

“I always get fouled,’’ Anthony said. “That’s what’s frustrating me. You play so hard, work so hard and don’t benefit from that. You look at other guys, you touch them and look at them wrong and get fouls. It’s a frustrating thing for me as a guy who likes to go to the basket, play in the paint. I like to play physical. It’s frustrating.

“I’m human,’’ Anthony added. “Those frustrations kick in at times, especially when you’re down there banging and know you’re getting banged on. I don’t know what else to do. I don’t know how to play another way.’’

So does he need to sell the foul more?

“See, I don’t know how to flop, that’s the thing,” Anthony said. “Nowadays guys know how to flop, get hit and put their head back. I don’t know how to flop. I won’t even look right trying to do that. I won’t even feel right trying it.

“A lot of times I get hit and I still continue to get to my spots just because I’m big and strong. A lot of guys get hit and they stop. I’m not saying they’re flopping, but they’re lighter than me. I can take a lot more physicality.”

Anthony’s extended remarks put him at risk of drawing a fine from the NBA. The league frowns on players criticizing the officiating.

But it’s not just the whistles. Anthony still believes he’s not in full groove after shutting down last season in February to undergo knee surgery and not getting on the court until August.

“The looks are there,’’ Anthony said. “Some days the rhythm is there, some days it’s not. It’s me staying in the gym finding that rhythm. Some nights they go in, some nights they don’t. There’s weeks it’s been back and games it’s not back. As a competitor, I get frustrated because I know I put so much work on those parts of my game, and when it doesn’t work out, I beat myself up.’’

The Knicks have lost six of their past eight games, and Derek Fisher has upped the level of urgency, staging a 70-minute morning shootaround after complaining of lack of practice time.

“We have to start looking at things and tightening up,’’ Anthony said. “The only time you can do that is in practice. When you don’t have that practice time, you start thinking about that. But now we got to go with it and got to get better in the games and use that as the experience and figure it out on the fly, too.’’

Anthony said the Knicks have held players meetings, and unlike heated ones in the past, these have gone smoothly.

“There’s no egos on this team,’’ Anthony said.

It's a great point. He almost never flops or tries to oversell the contact.

Melo is to be blamed for not adjusting his game. Harden makes a living flopping. He adds more the. 12 points to his average every game from doing just that. Melo needs to take acting class and learn how to flop. It is an art he must master

geeeez stop.

Harden may get a 1 or 2 extra a game (which is a lot)

Harden averages 10 pts a night from the line. The guy makes games brutal to watch in my opinion.
I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
I agree with this: Carmelo "I don't get foul calls because I don't flop."

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