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Nalod
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12/7/2015  9:51 AM

"Experts are stupid".....

So says the one who knows better?
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mreinman
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12/7/2015  10:15 AM
gunsnewing wrote:I had them at 45-37 as well Fish. Especially once we finally do something about Calderon and the starting PG

I guess to you guys there is a difference in predicting your teams wins and actually putting money on that prediction.

putting (even) money on 45 wins would have been/would be reckless at best.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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12/7/2015  11:03 AM
They are hanging in there around the .500 mark despite rolling a pathetic code oF PG's out there. Despite Melo's awfulness. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that if we fix PG and Melo plays better we am an finish a measly 8 games over .500
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12/7/2015  11:25 AM
gunsnewing wrote:They are hanging in there around the .500 mark despite rolling a pathetic code oF PG's out there. Despite Melo's awfulness. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that if we fix PG and Melo plays better we am an finish a measly 8 games over .500

vegas does not like to many "ifs"

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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12/7/2015  1:04 PM
As a fan, athlete, and coach, I've always preferred to be underrated or overlooked. Let the experts, fans, or a whiner like Harden say what they want. Always nice to have a chip on your shoulder, and the only things that really matter are decided on the court.

I remember commenting in a thread that I was surprised there was not more love for GS in this year's predictions...lot of guys start talking about fortunate circumstances...other teams having injuries, etc.

In the off-season you also had the players recognizing Harden as their MVP or outstanding player, or whatever they gave the guy.

You think that GS and Curry have not used the fact that they have been overlooked by some as motivation?


Does anyone think that the Knicks are reading about how they are long shots to make the playoffs and going into games expecting to lose because of these predictions?

You play well as individual players and as a team, and you win. When you win you'll be amazed at how many nice articles are written about you...and if the "experts" continue to doubt you as you continue to win, do you really care what they are saying?

EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
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12/7/2015  1:21 PM
mreinman wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:I had them at 45-37 as well Fish. Especially once we finally do something about Calderon and the starting PG

I guess to you guys there is a difference in predicting your teams wins and actually putting money on that prediction.

putting (even) money on 45 wins would have been/would be reckless at best.

what is this your first time looking at gambling odds?

Why would I take a 50/50 bet when the odds are well below. Thats like paying $50k for a $30k car just because you like it, when you dont have to pay that.

would I bet cash on the over for the Vegas win total? As I believe that number is in the mid-low 30s I certainly would. As for betting on a 45 win season I would expect a money line similar to those odds, say like over 43.5 wins is +400, something like that. If that number was +300 or more yes.. I would take that bet also.

I picked 45 wins based on a reasonably healthy (70ish games) Melo. I see .500 after a very tough schedule and a new team playing together as right on track. Also the Knicks are very deep, and when other teams struggle with depth it should at some point become a strength for this team.

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
Nalod
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12/7/2015  1:25 PM

I am surprised to GS record start, but who isn't? Its speaks to "Continuence".

SAS is still adjusting to LA being infused to the team. Lots of teams made changes and perhaps it takes time. Clippers are a surprise given the LACK of changes there.
For Knicks, I think they are melding very well to be .500 or within a game at this juncture.

As for "Motivations"? Im not sure to what degree it is sustainable. GS is playing very "loose and fancy free" which is great fun to watch and they no doubt have their act together more than any other team.
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12/7/2015  1:31 PM
The ist qtr of the season as shown us(in the east) that anyone can beat anyone on any giving night. Right now 4 games separate 1 though 12. I think it's going to take at least 42 wins to secure a playoff spot.
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12/7/2015  2:58 PM
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:I had them at 45-37 as well Fish. Especially once we finally do something about Calderon and the starting PG

I guess to you guys there is a difference in predicting your teams wins and actually putting money on that prediction.

putting (even) money on 45 wins would have been/would be reckless at best.

what is this your first time looking at gambling odds?

Why would I take a 50/50 bet when the odds are well below. Thats like paying $50k for a $30k car just because you like it, when you dont have to pay that.

would I bet cash on the over for the Vegas win total? As I believe that number is in the mid-low 30s I certainly would. As for betting on a 45 win season I would expect a money line similar to those odds, say like over 43.5 wins is +400, something like that. If that number was +300 or more yes.. I would take that bet also.

I picked 45 wins based on a reasonably healthy (70ish games) Melo. I see .500 after a very tough schedule and a new team playing together as right on track. Also the Knicks are very deep, and when other teams struggle with depth it should at some point become a strength for this team.

I picked 33 and its probably still even money. And, that is with a lot of unexpected good and some unexpected bad like our bigs stinking up the triangle (which I now would know to expect).

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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12/7/2015  3:21 PM
mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:I had them at 45-37 as well Fish. Especially once we finally do something about Calderon and the starting PG

I guess to you guys there is a difference in predicting your teams wins and actually putting money on that prediction.

putting (even) money on 45 wins would have been/would be reckless at best.

what is this your first time looking at gambling odds?

Why would I take a 50/50 bet when the odds are well below. Thats like paying $50k for a $30k car just because you like it, when you dont have to pay that.

would I bet cash on the over for the Vegas win total? As I believe that number is in the mid-low 30s I certainly would. As for betting on a 45 win season I would expect a money line similar to those odds, say like over 43.5 wins is +400, something like that. If that number was +300 or more yes.. I would take that bet also.

I picked 45 wins based on a reasonably healthy (70ish games) Melo. I see .500 after a very tough schedule and a new team playing together as right on track. Also the Knicks are very deep, and when other teams struggle with depth it should at some point become a strength for this team.

I picked 33 and its probably still even money. And, that is with a lot of unexpected good and some unexpected bad like our bigs stinking up the triangle (which I now would know to expect).

So your expecting us to get worse as the season progresses?

ES
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12/7/2015  4:46 PM
I was hoping for 35-37 with the team getting better as the season progressed.
one game from .500 they are exceeding my expectation. I guess im like the "experts" and stupid.
I had no basis other than hope. I think those who thought anyting over 41 games was more hopeful than "smart" given what we know.

I hope I continue along with the experts to keep being "Stupid" and the team keeps winning.
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12/7/2015  6:56 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:I had them at 45-37 as well Fish. Especially once we finally do something about Calderon and the starting PG

I guess to you guys there is a difference in predicting your teams wins and actually putting money on that prediction.

putting (even) money on 45 wins would have been/would be reckless at best.

what is this your first time looking at gambling odds?

Why would I take a 50/50 bet when the odds are well below. Thats like paying $50k for a $30k car just because you like it, when you dont have to pay that.

would I bet cash on the over for the Vegas win total? As I believe that number is in the mid-low 30s I certainly would. As for betting on a 45 win season I would expect a money line similar to those odds, say like over 43.5 wins is +400, something like that. If that number was +300 or more yes.. I would take that bet also.

I picked 45 wins based on a reasonably healthy (70ish games) Melo. I see .500 after a very tough schedule and a new team playing together as right on track. Also the Knicks are very deep, and when other teams struggle with depth it should at some point become a strength for this team.

I picked 33 and its probably still even money. And, that is with a lot of unexpected good and some unexpected bad like our bigs stinking up the triangle (which I now would know to expect).

So your expecting us to get worse as the season progresses?

well ... yeah. We have been extremely lucky with injuries and we have already regressed from the way we came out of the gate.

we will also get a bit better in some ways.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
knicks1248
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12/7/2015  7:03 PM
mreinman wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:I had them at 45-37 as well Fish. Especially once we finally do something about Calderon and the starting PG

I guess to you guys there is a difference in predicting your teams wins and actually putting money on that prediction.

putting (even) money on 45 wins would have been/would be reckless at best.

what is this your first time looking at gambling odds?

Why would I take a 50/50 bet when the odds are well below. Thats like paying $50k for a $30k car just because you like it, when you dont have to pay that.

would I bet cash on the over for the Vegas win total? As I believe that number is in the mid-low 30s I certainly would. As for betting on a 45 win season I would expect a money line similar to those odds, say like over 43.5 wins is +400, something like that. If that number was +300 or more yes.. I would take that bet also.

I picked 45 wins based on a reasonably healthy (70ish games) Melo. I see .500 after a very tough schedule and a new team playing together as right on track. Also the Knicks are very deep, and when other teams struggle with depth it should at some point become a strength for this team.

I picked 33 and its probably still even money. And, that is with a lot of unexpected good and some unexpected bad like our bigs stinking up the triangle (which I now would know to expect).

So your expecting us to get worse as the season progresses?

well ... yeah. We have been extremely lucky with injuries and we have already regressed from the way we came out of the gate.

we will also get a bit better in some ways.

Well if we don't get better who does that fall on?

ES
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12/7/2015  7:07 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:I had them at 45-37 as well Fish. Especially once we finally do something about Calderon and the starting PG

I guess to you guys there is a difference in predicting your teams wins and actually putting money on that prediction.

putting (even) money on 45 wins would have been/would be reckless at best.

what is this your first time looking at gambling odds?

Why would I take a 50/50 bet when the odds are well below. Thats like paying $50k for a $30k car just because you like it, when you dont have to pay that.

would I bet cash on the over for the Vegas win total? As I believe that number is in the mid-low 30s I certainly would. As for betting on a 45 win season I would expect a money line similar to those odds, say like over 43.5 wins is +400, something like that. If that number was +300 or more yes.. I would take that bet also.

I picked 45 wins based on a reasonably healthy (70ish games) Melo. I see .500 after a very tough schedule and a new team playing together as right on track. Also the Knicks are very deep, and when other teams struggle with depth it should at some point become a strength for this team.

I picked 33 and its probably still even money. And, that is with a lot of unexpected good and some unexpected bad like our bigs stinking up the triangle (which I now would know to expect).

So your expecting us to get worse as the season progresses?

well ... yeah. We have been extremely lucky with injuries and we have already regressed from the way we came out of the gate.

we will also get a bit better in some ways.

Well if we don't get better who does that fall on?

it depends ... why does it have to fall on anyone? Because of some stupid fans who need a scapegoat and have no patience?

FORGET ABOUT WINNING THIS YEAR! ITS NOT IMPORTANT!

we need to see growth as a team and hopefully get players to figure out this 1800's offense.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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