martin wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Not saying we do this, but if we could sign Whiteside as a free agent and then trade Lopez and more for a very good+ guard who can also defend, we would be a terror. Actually, if we could sign Whiteside, we could use Lopez and change to get a pretty good player and upgrade our team. Not sure we move Lopez so quick after the trade though, might not sit over well with players, be it depends on what we turn into.
We have to bring in some really good players still.

I don't think Riley will ever let go of Whiteside. He is grooming this kid to become the next Alonzo Morning

He will be a completely unrestricted free agent. Riley is not the head of a huge Costra Nostra family, lol.
We can sign Whiteside free and clear and build something dominant.

Riley has his ways:::)))). He almost always find ways to trick guys to come and play for him. Besides no other team will be able to offer Whiteside more money than Miami. Why would he leave?

I don't think this is the case. Miami is in a little bit of a pickle, they can only use cap space to resign Whiteside, can't go over. So, they gotta resign Wade. They'll give Roberts away for free. Probably won't resign Deng.

You might be right, but since teams will be allowed to spend more money next year, I am sure Riley will find ways to offer Whiteside a package he can't refuse. Specifically, if he is told that he will be the main man to replace Wade as the face of the franchise. Tax free money, and stardom can be an enticing way to trap players.

Deng can easily be replaced,and will most likely be gone. Bosh and Dragzic will more than likely be the only big contracts that will occupy the cap space

martin wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

martin wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:We have such a need for veterans PG play, I simply can't see anyone other than Conley that we can use. CP3 and Westbrook are the top dudes I really want; but as we know, the top dudes don't really ever want to put up with playing for the Knicks.

I think it'll just go unfulfilled. Conley doesn't want out and the Grizz ain't trading him. Plus the Knicks don't have the assets. Kind of end of story?

Martin,who do you think the Knicks should go after as a PG? We need one desperately.

This is not the year to worry about making headway in the playoffs, it's about maxing out KP and Grant and Gallo potential. It's about seeing what they have in Seraphin, DWill, Thomas, Rolo. It's about making the Triangle work much better than it has.

There is no doubt that the Knicks are desperate for a PG, but they aren't desperate enough to give away future assets willy-nilly. If a no-brainer deal comes up, then yes.

Seems like you are in panic mode even though the Knicks are outpacing any realistic goal, they are 8-7 while playing the 5th toughest schedule in the league.

This is a grow year, not a must-win year.

Panic mode? No. I am searching for answers. The knicks back court has been an enigma since the Marbury days. Now that I believe we have a big that can be a cornerstone for years to come, I am trying to see who is out there that can help solidify our success. PG in my opinion is the most important player in a starting lineup. If we can find that guy, we can perhaps finally capture that trophy which has been eluding us for more than 40 years

martin wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

martin wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:We have such a need for veterans PG play, I simply can't see anyone other than Conley that we can use. CP3 and Westbrook are the top dudes I really want; but as we know, the top dudes don't really ever want to put up with playing for the Knicks.

I think it'll just go unfulfilled. Conley doesn't want out and the Grizz ain't trading him. Plus the Knicks don't have the assets. Kind of end of story?

Martin,who do you think the Knicks should go after as a PG? We need one desperately.

This is not the year to worry about making headway in the playoffs, it's about maxing out KP and Grant and Gallo potential. It's about seeing what they have in Seraphin, DWill, Thomas, Rolo. It's about making the Triangle work much better than it has.

There is no doubt that the Knicks are desperate for a PG, but they aren't desperate enough to give away future assets willy-nilly. If a no-brainer deal comes up, then yes.

Seems like you are in panic mode even though the Knicks are outpacing any realistic goal, they are 8-7 while playing the 5th toughest schedule in the league.

This is a grow year, not a must-win year.

+1000000

Knicks1969 wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:so we're getting conley for nothing? good idea, im sure memphis will be all over it.

Not exactly what I am proposing. I would like to hear your ideas. This dude is underrated; thus, he might be looking to play for a big market

that's not what you're proposing? the lineup you posted still has every current knick starter in it, except calderon, so clearly we didn't give memphis anything in your mind.

you'd like to hear my proposal? there is none, we aren't a good match. unless they want a combo of galloway and ????, which they don't, then there is no move. we'd have to sign conley outright when he's a FA.

Knicks1969 wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Not saying we do this, but if we could sign Whiteside as a free agent and then trade Lopez and more for a very good+ guard who can also defend, we would be a terror. Actually, if we could sign Whiteside, we could use Lopez and change to get a pretty good player and upgrade our team. Not sure we move Lopez so quick after the trade though, might not sit over well with players, be it depends on what we turn into.
We have to bring in some really good players still.

I don't think Riley will ever let go of Whiteside. He is grooming this kid to become the next Alonzo Morning

He will be a completely unrestricted free agent. Riley is not the head of a huge Costra Nostra family, lol.
We can sign Whiteside free and clear and build something dominant.

Riley has his ways:::)))). He almost always find ways to trick guys to come and play for him. Besides no other team will be able to offer Whiteside more money than Miami. Why would he leave?

With the cap going up, a lot of big names (e.g. Lebron) are taking it year by year. Not saying Whiteside does as he probably is trying to get paid, but if he see's us being something better
than Miami, you never know. Depends if we can sell him on things. We have to perform this year and see if we can find any other needles in a haystack.

Nalod wrote:But at 6-1 im not sure how thrilled Phil would be at a price he would command via trade ...

I think most relevant to the OP is that there is no price. Memphis simply isn't going to move Conley during the season under any reasonable circumstance.

mreinman wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

Nalod wrote:But at 6-1 im not sure how thrilled Phil would be at a price he would command via trade ...

I think most relevant to the OP is that there is no price. Memphis simply isn't going to move Conley during the season under any reasonable circumstance.

If they have a bad record and they believe that he will bolt or they don't believe that he is worth the max (which I don't think that he is) then it will be smart to trade him.

I would say that the reason why I don't think that he will be traded is that they just signed Gasol and Gasol was loyal to Memphis. It would be a dick (hinkie) move to turn around and give Gasol the big F U.

Didn't say what I think they should or do what it may or may not be smart to do.

My point is that it's almost certain they won't, and I think we mostly agree.

That said, if they did, I'd consider that Knicks an unlikely destination. They don't have many chips.

bigbasketballs wrote:

mreinman wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

Nalod wrote:But at 6-1 im not sure how thrilled Phil would be at a price he would command via trade ...

I think most relevant to the OP is that there is no price. Memphis simply isn't going to move Conley during the season under any reasonable circumstance.

If they have a bad record and they believe that he will bolt or they don't believe that he is worth the max (which I don't think that he is) then it will be smart to trade him.

I would say that the reason why I don't think that he will be traded is that they just signed Gasol and Gasol was loyal to Memphis. It would be a dick (hinkie) move to turn around and give Gasol the big F U.

Didn't say what I think they should or do what it may or may not be smart to do.

My point is that it's almost certain they won't, and I think we mostly agree.

That said, if they did, I'd consider that Knicks an unlikely destination. They don't have many chips.

curious to see what happens if they are really reeling by the all star break. They smartly shook it up with Gay and also got rid of Hollins after winning 50 games so they may shock us.

mreinman wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

mreinman wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

Nalod wrote:But at 6-1 im not sure how thrilled Phil would be at a price he would command via trade ...

I think most relevant to the OP is that there is no price. Memphis simply isn't going to move Conley during the season under any reasonable circumstance.

If they have a bad record and they believe that he will bolt or they don't believe that he is worth the max (which I don't think that he is) then it will be smart to trade him.

I would say that the reason why I don't think that he will be traded is that they just signed Gasol and Gasol was loyal to Memphis. It would be a dick (hinkie) move to turn around and give Gasol the big F U.

Didn't say what I think they should or do what it may or may not be smart to do.

My point is that it's almost certain they won't, and I think we mostly agree.

That said, if they did, I'd consider that Knicks an unlikely destination. They don't have many chips.

curious to see what happens if they are really reeling by the all star break. They smartly shook it up with Gay and also got rid of Hollins after winning 50 games so they may shock us.

Perhaps… bigger shock if they took Calderon, Grant, Early and a 2018 protected 1st for him.

mreinman wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

mreinman wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

mreinman wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

Nalod wrote:But at 6-1 im not sure how thrilled Phil would be at a price he would command via trade ...

I think most relevant to the OP is that there is no price. Memphis simply isn't going to move Conley during the season under any reasonable circumstance.

If they have a bad record and they believe that he will bolt or they don't believe that he is worth the max (which I don't think that he is) then it will be smart to trade him.

I would say that the reason why I don't think that he will be traded is that they just signed Gasol and Gasol was loyal to Memphis. It would be a dick (hinkie) move to turn around and give Gasol the big F U.

Didn't say what I think they should or do what it may or may not be smart to do.

My point is that it's almost certain they won't, and I think we mostly agree.

That said, if they did, I'd consider that Knicks an unlikely destination. They don't have many chips.

curious to see what happens if they are really reeling by the all star break. They smartly shook it up with Gay and also got rid of Hollins after winning 50 games so they may shock us.

Perhaps… bigger shock if they took Calderon, Grant, Early and a 2018 protected 1st for him.

No way I make that trade.

If I'm Memphis, I don't even take the call.

mreinman wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

mreinman wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

mreinman wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

mreinman wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

Nalod wrote:But at 6-1 im not sure how thrilled Phil would be at a price he would command via trade ...

I think most relevant to the OP is that there is no price. Memphis simply isn't going to move Conley during the season under any reasonable circumstance.

If they have a bad record and they believe that he will bolt or they don't believe that he is worth the max (which I don't think that he is) then it will be smart to trade him.

I would say that the reason why I don't think that he will be traded is that they just signed Gasol and Gasol was loyal to Memphis. It would be a dick (hinkie) move to turn around and give Gasol the big F U.

Didn't say what I think they should or do what it may or may not be smart to do.

My point is that it's almost certain they won't, and I think we mostly agree.

That said, if they did, I'd consider that Knicks an unlikely destination. They don't have many chips.

curious to see what happens if they are really reeling by the all star break. They smartly shook it up with Gay and also got rid of Hollins after winning 50 games so they may shock us.

Perhaps… bigger shock if they took Calderon, Grant, Early and a 2018 protected 1st for him.

No way I make that trade.

If I'm Memphis, I don't even take the call.

good. then no trade. no more giving up 1st rounders for 30x year olds.

Hence, my original point