fishmike wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:I would like KP to focus on being a defensive monster who can score all over the court then an offensive monster who also plays defense if that makes sense. Like Westbrook and many others after a while they become more offensive minded and defense is the after thought to preserve energy. I'd rather KP put majority of his energy on being a dominating defensive and rebounding anchor first and formost. He can always get the crunch time go to looks. But shouldnt be a all game thing. Will cause to much wear and tear.

KG did everything for Minny but that doesn't lead to a deep level of success. Plus we need to make sure we set KP up for a long term career like Duncan.

huh?????

One player doing everything for a team doesnt work.

fishmike wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

fishmike wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:I would like KP to focus on being a defensive monster who can score all over the court then an offensive monster who also plays defense if that makes sense. Like Westbrook and many others after a while they become more offensive minded and defense is the after thought to preserve energy. I'd rather KP put majority of his energy on being a dominating defensive and rebounding anchor first and formost. He can always get the crunch time go to looks. But shouldnt be a all game thing. Will cause to much wear and tear.

KG did everything for Minny but that doesn't lead to a deep level of success. Plus we need to make sure we set KP up for a long term career like Duncan.

huh?????

One player doing everything for a team doesnt work.

KG's problem wasnt his game, it was his weak supporting cast, but Im assuming thats what you meant.. you need team balance

Of course that's what I mean. KG was a complete player. Because he was they relied on him to much to do everything for them. I hope that we don't expect KP to be our offense and defense as he grows just because he is talented enough to do it.

dk7th wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

fishmike wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

fishmike wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:I would like KP to focus on being a defensive monster who can score all over the court then an offensive monster who also plays defense if that makes sense. Like Westbrook and many others after a while they become more offensive minded and defense is the after thought to preserve energy. I'd rather KP put majority of his energy on being a dominating defensive and rebounding anchor first and formost. He can always get the crunch time go to looks. But shouldnt be a all game thing. Will cause to much wear and tear.

KG did everything for Minny but that doesn't lead to a deep level of success. Plus we need to make sure we set KP up for a long term career like Duncan.

huh?????

One player doing everything for a team doesnt work.

KG's problem wasnt his game, it was his weak supporting cast, but Im assuming thats what you meant.. you need team balance

Of course that's what I mean. KG was a complete player. Because he was they relied on him to much to do everything for them. I hope that we don't expect KP to be our offense and defense as he grows just because he is talented enough to do it.

who did kg play with who and worked well with during his time in minnesota?

he didn't have success until he teamed up with pierce. yes they had rondo and allen but it was his work with pierce that made the boston team click.

i would rather see a great two man game develop between melo and kp. pick and roll, pick and pop can be very effective. it seems as though the triangle often transitions to a picking game before ending isolation, basically in that order.

KG, Pierce, Allen, Rondo all played there part.

My point really though is that I would prefer if we didnt run the offense through KP even when he becomes that level of player. Not until crunch time anyway. Being the #1 option and go to guy while also hustling for rebs like he does and on defense will be taxing.

KP right now just does what he does causing havoc due to the freedom and lack of real responsibility.

newyorknewyork wrote:

dk7th wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

fishmike wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

fishmike wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:I would like KP to focus on being a defensive monster who can score all over the court then an offensive monster who also plays defense if that makes sense. Like Westbrook and many others after a while they become more offensive minded and defense is the after thought to preserve energy. I'd rather KP put majority of his energy on being a dominating defensive and rebounding anchor first and formost. He can always get the crunch time go to looks. But shouldnt be a all game thing. Will cause to much wear and tear.

KG did everything for Minny but that doesn't lead to a deep level of success. Plus we need to make sure we set KP up for a long term career like Duncan.

huh?????

One player doing everything for a team doesnt work.

KG's problem wasnt his game, it was his weak supporting cast, but Im assuming thats what you meant.. you need team balance

Of course that's what I mean. KG was a complete player. Because he was they relied on him to much to do everything for them. I hope that we don't expect KP to be our offense and defense as he grows just because he is talented enough to do it.

who did kg play with who and worked well with during his time in minnesota?

he didn't have success until he teamed up with pierce. yes they had rondo and allen but it was his work with pierce that made the boston team click.

i would rather see a great two man game develop between melo and kp. pick and roll, pick and pop can be very effective. it seems as though the triangle often transitions to a picking game before ending isolation, basically in that order.

KG, Pierce, Allen, Rondo all played there part.

My point really though is that I would prefer if we didnt run the offense through KP even when he becomes that level of player. Not until crunch time anyway. Being the #1 option and go to guy while also hustling for rebs like he does and on defense will be taxing.

KP right now just does what he does causing havoc due to the freedom and lack of real responsibility.

so long as the triangle is being run you won't see kp as the focal point of the offense. but when they veer away from that offense then you're left basically with pick and roll/pop and isolation with maybe a cutter to pass to.

i don't really see this as a valid concern but i will observe that as soon as kp went to the bench tonight the heat basically put the game away.

WaltLongmire wrote:

dk7th wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

dk7th wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

fishmike wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

fishmike wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:I would like KP to focus on being a defensive monster who can score all over the court then an offensive monster who also plays defense if that makes sense. Like Westbrook and many others after a while they become more offensive minded and defense is the after thought to preserve energy. I'd rather KP put majority of his energy on being a dominating defensive and rebounding anchor first and formost. He can always get the crunch time go to looks. But shouldnt be a all game thing. Will cause to much wear and tear.

KG did everything for Minny but that doesn't lead to a deep level of success. Plus we need to make sure we set KP up for a long term career like Duncan.

huh?????

One player doing everything for a team doesnt work.

KG's problem wasnt his game, it was his weak supporting cast, but Im assuming thats what you meant.. you need team balance

Of course that's what I mean. KG was a complete player. Because he was they relied on him to much to do everything for them. I hope that we don't expect KP to be our offense and defense as he grows just because he is talented enough to do it.

who did kg play with who and worked well with during his time in minnesota?

he didn't have success until he teamed up with pierce. yes they had rondo and allen but it was his work with pierce that made the boston team click.

i would rather see a great two man game develop between melo and kp. pick and roll, pick and pop can be very effective. it seems as though the triangle often transitions to a picking game before ending isolation, basically in that order.

KG, Pierce, Allen, Rondo all played there part.

My point really though is that I would prefer if we didnt run the offense through KP even when he becomes that level of player. Not until crunch time anyway. Being the #1 option and go to guy while also hustling for rebs like he does and on defense will be taxing.

KP right now just does what he does causing havoc due to the freedom and lack of real responsibility.

so long as the triangle is being run you won't see kp as the focal point of the offense. but when they veer away from that offense then you're left basically with pick and roll/pop and isolation with maybe a cutter to pass to.

i don't really see this as a valid concern but i will observe that as soon as kp went to the bench tonight the heat basically put the game away.

KP gets a lot of touches in the offense we run...whatever name you want to call it.

Sometimes hess not aggressive enough in terms of looking for his shot, but he moves around like a SF putting himself in position for open shots in an efficient way.

They missed him a number of times tonight...at least one time when he was free and under the basket.

Would not mind seeing him operating in the post either looking for the turn around or someone on the perimeter if they collapse on him. Seems to have success with the turnaround where he is taking it in the lane a few fee inside the foul line. Needs to be better passing it outside, though.

i'd love to see him operate those hooks he showed and the dream shake a bunch more. also he likes to go glass like duncan. he seems to have a huge arsenal. maybe if fisher goes small with him at the 5 and melo at the 4 he will get more of an opportunity to facilitate, initiate possessions once the ball gets dumped in to him. as i have said, i give fisher 25 games to have some sort of rotation with small variations.

what i don't want to see is him playing melo and kp more than 30-32 minutes a night.

30.6mpg, 18ppg, 9.8rpg, 2.4bpg, 1apg, .4spg, 2.4fpg, 1.4tpg, .46 fg%(13.4apg), .56 3pt%(2.8apg), 84% ft%(3.4apg)

I had a feeling he would help us this year but I never expected this kind of production. I am simply flabbergasted.

TheGame wrote:Since Melo is only an average defensive player at best, then KP would be the best all around player we have. However, he has some ways to go before I would say he is clearly our best player. However, I agree with the feeling that KP will become the best player on the team, and may be the best player we have had since Ewing.

And I'm sure Porzingis would be just throwing up these numbers no matter who he was playing with. Defenses still have to contend with Melo. That makes for some nice opportunities night in and night out for the rookie.

And by golly look at Melo's assists versus Porzingis. And did I just read Melo had 4 steals?

Still, even as a Melopologist, you have to love the Russelesque defense the rookie plays. He almost always blocks shots to teammates and to himself, not the 4th row. Nice work, Phil.