nixluva wrote:A lot of it has to do with lineups. Here in NY we would really have a different mix of players and if you switched RoLo for Monroe but still had KP it could still work. Maybe not as good defensively but more potent offensively. This team rebounds well already so Monroe would only enhance that. We pass well already and again he would enhance that. He just wouldn't be the Rim Protector that RoLo is. Doesn't mean it wouldn't work here tho since his scoring would enhance this team's ability to score inside.

I think this just says more about the GM of the Bucks ability to put together a mix of players that actually complement each other. MCW not being able to shoot is an issue! They have a lot of forwards that are duplicates. Rather than spending money on Monroe perhaps adding more shooters would've been better.

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:The article really didn't support the case that Monroe is the reason for Milwaukee slow start. Why not give some on off numbers for this year with Monroe. Maybe compare his numbers to Zaza, who Monroe is replacing. The thing I took away from the article is that the Bucks made a stupid trade and didn't get much value back by taking on MCW.

They went from second best defense in the NBA last season to third worst this season. I highlighted that in the original post. Do you need more numbers?

I think it is a mix of not having enough outside shooting - they downgraded in that area from Brandon Knight to MCW. But the defensive downgrade from Zaza to Monroe might also be hurting them quite a bit.

It's just a poorly constructed team.

You can't start a minus defender at 4 and the 5 in the NBA.

Yes, I think the readers do need more numbers specific to how Monroe has affected the team defensively. How do I know its not someone else's fault. Do the Bucks play better defense when he is off the floor? Does the numbers look different when he is not paired with Parker?

I just want to see numbers that would support Monroe being a downgrade from Zaza. They used team numbers and pointed out the Knight trade and Monroe pick up. Using the same team numbers I could easily re-word the title of the article: the jury still out on choosing Parker over Ilyasova.

The writer of the article needs to do a better job providing evidence specially to Monroe defining how he is the reason for their defensive woes.

I do agree with you that the roster construction is not that great. They might have to shift down Giannis and Middleton and move Mayo to the starting line up.

does the eye test count? Did you see them play us? Or watch them play against washington?

Holfresh/Crush is that you?

Yes, I watched the game but like you know the eyes can lie and two people can see different things.

Just look at you and DK argue about an open shot Melo missed. You both saw it differently. Heck, a third person could have argued that he didn't rush the shot and simply missed it.

I just wanted the writer to support his argument better instead of grabbing the low hanging fruit. So me how Zaza did and how Monroe is doing now?

I am a BIG eye test guy too ... you know that. The eyes can definitely lie though so stats are crucial as well.

As far as defense, can't really use much other then the eyes. Stats are pretty weak (at least what we are privy to)

Defensive stats are pretty weak but at least give the ones that are out there. I am not saying the writer is wrong I just would like him to do a better job.

wow! glad he did not start up with tobias!

If they had kept Knight with Middleton those 2 could/would have been able to create enough perimeter shooting to all them to keep Greek/Henson/Monroe on the floor together.

But with MCW -- there isn't enough shooting to go with Greek/Henson/Monroe so they have to stay smaller and that hurts their D and pulling Henson negates their rim protection/shot blocking. I value Henson over most of their guys except the Greek. Plus Middleton doesn't look the same.

Parker - I loved when I saw him at Duke but don't like him at the NBA level. I see a guy who will score some but I don't see a shooter and I don't see a defender or shot-blocker and I think he has to play the 4.

I think he will be disappointing -- we shall see.

LivingLegend wrote:KP6 may have been the perfect partner for Monroe.

He can spread the floor, he moves so Monroe could find him with his passing ability, KP6 hits both boards and his length/rim protection would help Monroe.

I wanted Monroe but I like RoLo --- seems like a good kid.

Seraphin has shown flashes of what Monroe probably would have brought to the table. When he signed with Bucks. I felt they had good enough peremiter defense to actually cover him. Plus they have Henson as his backup and he is a strong defensive player.

I thought MCW and Middleton were good defensive players. Maybe I was wrong. They lack spacing though. MCW and Freak aren't great outisde shooters. Don't know about Parker yet in the NBA since he hasn't played. But even then would only be 2 shooters in the starting lineup. They may need to mix and match. Bring MCW off the bench. Let him run uptempo with a 2nd unit. Run the offense in the post in the first unit. Put shooters around both of them.

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knicks1248 wrote:brandon knight had 38 points, 11 boards, 6 ast, he shot 11 for 20 overall, 10 for 12 FT, 6-10 from 3 tonight on the road...yeah thats max money brother

They took a chance hoping MCW could be a stud while on a rookie scale while also freeing up money to resign Middleton. Don't know if it was because they didn't feel he was worth the money. More so they tried to get 2 for 1.

They knew Middleton would demand a near max and they didn't want to spend two max contracts on just the backcourt. What they did makes sense, it just hasn't worked out so well.

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fishmike wrote:

nixluva wrote:A lot of it has to do with lineups. Here in NY we would really have a different mix of players and if you switched RoLo for Monroe but still had KP it could still work. Maybe not as good defensively but more potent offensively. This team rebounds well already so Monroe would only enhance that. We pass well already and again he would enhance that. He just wouldn't be the Rim Protector that RoLo is. Doesn't mean it wouldn't work here tho since his scoring would enhance this team's ability to score inside.

I think this just says more about the GM of the Bucks ability to put together a mix of players that actually complement each other. MCW not being able to shoot is an issue! They have a lot of forwards that are duplicates. Rather than spending money on Monroe perhaps adding more shooters would've been better.

this is a good quote. Monroe is not a good defensive player but he's not bad enough to ruin a whole team's defense singlehandedly. He's a great rebounder, actually gets some blocks and steals... but yea, you need to put people around him that understand his limitations and what he can and cant do and right now Milw is failing to do that.

were you in the pro monroe camp?

I can see why Monroe was on the radar, but I think whether by design or luck we got the right guy for now and the future. He doesn't need to play 35mpg and give me 15/12 every night. He's truly a team guy and "plays the right way." Those guys are so valuable to teams, having coached, managed, built and been recruited by teams you look for those guys. Happy with Lopez and I think he better fits the style and image of the team

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