mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:I wonder how much that game which he scores 23pts and had 5ast vs the Hawks influenced there decision? It may have cost us the #1 pick. But may have landed us a 2nd first rounder.

thats a great call... that was his best game as a pro, no doubt. Imagine we get the PG of the future?

I understand Grant has some growing to do, but the them man gets into the paint and kills guys off the dribble. Even if he never develops the 3 Grant is money from midrange. Love this prospect.

He is gonna need to develop a very decent 3 if he wants to be successful. PG can't really live without that today.

If he does everything else well, I can live with 33 pct from 3.

There is no doubt in my mind that developing his 3 will be top priority over this next summer. I would hope so, anyway. I think he can do it.

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:I wonder how much that game which he scores 23pts and had 5ast vs the Hawks influenced there decision? It may have cost us the #1 pick. But may have landed us a 2nd first rounder.

thats a great call... that was his best game as a pro, no doubt. Imagine we get the PG of the future?

I understand Grant has some growing to do, but the them man gets into the paint and kills guys off the dribble. Even if he never develops the 3 Grant is money from midrange. Love this prospect.

He is gonna need to develop a very decent 3 if he wants to be successful. PG can't really live without that today.

If he does everything else well, I can live with 33 pct from 3.

If I didnt know any better I would think your primary value in a player is how many 3s he can hit. Look at the TV not the sreen!

Grant has two issues, one will get fixed, the other remains to be seen. He's out of conrol, and that will be fine. Not sure it will this year but I know it will next. What remains is if he can finish at the rim. Thats a big need. He doesnt have to shoot the 3 if he can take it to the hole, and guys who cant take it to the hole better be able to the shoot the 3. Sure the guys who do both are great but those are very few.

I dont remember him shooting the 3 very well, but damn he could score around the paint. At worst he's a nice change of pace PG off the bench. If he learns to finish around the basket better he can be a starter. If he can shoot the 3 around 38% he will be a good starter. If he can finish, hit the 3 and work that nice mid range game he will be a borderline allstar or a skinny Kyle Lowry. Time will tell... Im happy with that I see.

I'm surprised that he hasn't carved out a spot in their rotation.

Has anyone heard legit rumors about why he has not been playing? Can we assume that it's a defensive issue? I've wondered about the fact that the Atlanta offense requires more motion and less standing around on the perimeter...maybe he's been unable to hand this aspect of their game.

Quite a come down for a player who was 1st team all rookie not so long ago.

WaltLongmire wrote:I thought the trade would have motivated him to show Phil and the Knicks they made a mistake.

I'm surprised that he hasn't carved out a spot in their rotation.

Has anyone heard legit rumors about why he has not been playing? Can we assume that it's a defensive issue? I've wondered about the fact that the Atlanta offense requires more motion and less standing around on the perimeter...maybe he's been unable to hand this aspect of their game.

Quite a come down for a player who was 1st team all rookie not so long ago.

All I saw was 1 article quoting the Atlanta coaching saying "basketball reasons"

martin wrote:

Rookie wrote:

fishmike wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:I wonder how much that game which he scores 23pts and had 5ast vs the Hawks influenced there decision? It may have cost us the #1 pick. But may have landed us a 2nd first rounder.

thats a great call... that was his best game as a pro, no doubt. Imagine we get the PG of the future?

I understand Grant has some growing to do, but the them man gets into the paint and kills guys off the dribble. Even if he never develops the 3 Grant is money from midrange. Love this prospect.

I think Fisher's shaking up the second unit rotations the last 2 games affected Grant more then anyone else. Now that the back/2/back is behind us, hopefully Fisher puts the overachieving second unit back together and Grant will be fine.

I think Grant has been hesitant, shot is off and he is just being a rookie.

Sambakick wrote:He's another european-bound guy like Demitris Nichols.

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:I wonder how much that game which he scores 23pts and had 5ast vs the Hawks influenced there decision? It may have cost us the #1 pick. But may have landed us a 2nd first rounder.

thats a great call... that was his best game as a pro, no doubt. Imagine we get the PG of the future?

I understand Grant has some growing to do, but the them man gets into the paint and kills guys off the dribble. Even if he never develops the 3 Grant is money from midrange. Love this prospect.

He is gonna need to develop a very decent 3 if he wants to be successful. PG can't really live without that today.

If he does everything else well, I can live with 33 pct from 3.

I prefer 67% from 10-16
Why hoist from 3 at 33% when you can beat NBA wings off the dribble to get into the paint? After that he has shown two things early on, both of which he showed at ND.
1) he's a great passer while driving. He's racking up assists and creating good looks.
2) his drive is already respected enough for him to get great space to pull up for med jumpers. Watch him and look at the numbers, he's been really great there.

If I didnt know any better I would think your primary value in a player is how many 3s he can hit. Look at the TV not the sreen!

Grant has two issues, one will get fixed, the other remains to be seen. He's out of conrol, and that will be fine. Not sure it will this year but I know it will next. What remains is if he can finish at the rim. Thats a big need. He doesnt have to shoot the 3 if he can take it to the hole, and guys who cant take it to the hole better be able to the shoot the 3. Sure the guys who do both are great but those are very few.

I dont remember him shooting the 3 very well, but damn he could score around the paint. At worst he's a nice change of pace PG off the bench. If he learns to finish around the basket better he can be a starter. If he can shoot the 3 around 38% he will be a good starter. If he can finish, hit the 3 and work that nice mid range game he will be a borderline allstar or a skinny Kyle Lowry. Time will tell... Im happy with that I see.

you obviously have no clue what I think and trust me, I watch many more games than you do.

please refute what I said and don't make silly assertions about what I think.

PG's need to be able to hit the 3 at a decent percentage who the hell said that he should not be driving the ball? Do you have a clue? Do you think that he can drive the ball if nobody will respect him from deep?

As I have said a million times but here this one is special for you: The best shots in the game are from near the basket followed by from deep and they compliment each other.

Of course I would LIKE to shoot better than 33% from three but that is at least acceptable for opening up the rest of his game and for keeping the defense honest.