gunsnewing wrote:My problem with Fisher yesterday was KP should not have been on the bench when Zeller scored. He snuck past Lopez but that play would've never been here had Fisher inserted KP. Arguably his best most versatile defender.

Also if you are going to play Lance & Lou which I'm all for then you should not play Serfafin. I agree we need to settle on a 10-12 man rotation every game. However, you guys are blowing the rotation thing out of proportion. It's not the reason we lost. It was the timing of Fisher's substations. Your bench can't blow a double digit lead twice. Fisher was to slow to react. By the time he did it was too late and we reverted to ISO-Melo.

And they shouldn't have went away from KP when he was having a great game and finally hitting his shots. He had a great 1st quarter and then never got the ball for the final 3 quarters!

Fisher made one huge mistake last night... how do you not play KP down the stretch? How was he not on the floor during those last two seconds? Afraid he would foul? At the very least you use the 7'3 guy with the 7'6 wingspan to pressure the inbounds passer. Lopez got turned around. He had a good game and I felt bad to see the last bucket scored on him that way. Tough break.

This notion that Fisher's rotations stink becase DWill isnt getting time is laughable. He's gotten worse every game since that first good one in the preseason. Hopefully they can get through to him, we could use the pop

ChuckBuck wrote:I think widening the rotation helped the Knicks win the Raptors game, but in this game, hurt.

Need to stick to 9 or 10, maybe 11 on a back to back, and not yank units if they're going well.

I think a lot of you did not really watch the Raptors game. Fisher did not use too many players; he simply leaned on Lance fo a longer period than we were expecting. I would have done the same thing because the dude was effective when he was on the floor. The problem with last night's rotation was fisher's heavy reliance on Lou and the usual subs (Grant, Galloway, KO, and Lance). That combo was not effective at all. The spacing was terrible, because other then Galloway, no one else was a perimeter threat. Had Fisher replaced Lou with Williams, the defense would have had no choice but to pay attention to Williams as a pure offensive threat; which in return would have opened the paint for Grant and KO to operate

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:This was a very winnable game; it was not time to experiment. Williams made a mistake dribbling the ball, as a result he turned it over. The bench could and should have helped him out, but they did not. The dude needs to know that he will be given 15 to 20 minutes per game and be allowed to make mistakes. This is basketball after all. Just like some around here expect us to take it easy on Fisher, he needs to take it easy on Williams

Why are you so sure DWill would've been the difference in this game? The Knicks had many opps to win this game and I don't think it really came down to playing DWill or not. I like DWill and I expect he'll get his chances this long season. It was Fisher's decision to see what others could give him. That's his right and is understandable this early with a new roster. It's not a lock that they if Fish plays DWill.

Are we the only team with new players, like i, said no team in the NBA rotates 14 guys, stop acting like this is normal and some of us shouldn't be concern.

I bet you we would have taken more than 7 damn ft's if d will and grant played more minutes

you need to give fisher 25 games to settle in and see what works and who works with whom. it's an entirely new team and they are trying to run a system that requires a great deal of repetition. and we just got the starting shooting guard back. fisher has already stated the goals for this season quite clearly, namely that it's a process of learning how to become a winning team. can't you give him and his team 25 games to sort things out?

BRIGGS wrote:Rotation should be like this

C Lopez---24 minutes
PF KP --24 minutes
F Carmelo 32 minutes
G Affalo 24 minutes
G Calderon DOP 12-24 minutes
C Kyle Oquinn 24 minutes
F Lou Admundson 18 minutes
F Derrick Williams 24 minutes
G Langston Galloway 26- 32 minutes
G Grant 12-14 minutes

lance thomas?

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:This was a very winnable game; it was not time to experiment. Williams made a mistake dribbling the ball, as a result he turned it over. The bench could and should have helped him out, but they did not. The dude needs to know that he will be given 15 to 20 minutes per game and be allowed to make mistakes. This is basketball after all. Just like some around here expect us to take it easy on Fisher, he needs to take it easy on Williams

Why are you so sure DWill would've been the difference in this game? The Knicks had many opps to win this game and I don't think it really came down to playing DWill or not. I like DWill and I expect he'll get his chances this long season. It was Fisher's decision to see what others could give him. That's his right and is understandable this early with a new roster. It's not a lock that they if Fish plays DWill.

Are we the only team with new players, like i, said no team in the NBA rotates 14 guys, stop acting like this is normal and some of us shouldn't be concern.

I bet you we would have taken more than 7 damn ft's if d will and grant played more minutes

you need to give fisher 25 games to settle in and see what works and who works with whom. it's an entirely new team and they are trying to run a system that requires a great deal of repetition. and we just got the starting shooting guard back. fisher has already stated the goals for this season quite clearly, namely that it's a process of learning how to become a winning team. can't you give him and his team 25 games to sort things out?

25 games????? You must have forgotten what our record was last season!

Lou looked good in preseason with his high energy game and last nite he was the bench star. The kids (gallo and Grant) were not great but look at how well Jose did with Affaloloaloaoallo and the space it opened up for KP. Melo did not even shoot the the first few minutes.

I guess to some its like the knicks should win every game but some player or coach blows it and we as fans suggest adjustment game to game. What you saw last nite was a work in progress and if the chosen one's fingers and arms were a bit shorter knicks would have "Kristapped" the Whorenets for his first big moment as a knick!!!

"rotation sucks"? no, its team still in the process of finding itself. That's not negligent, that's just progress.

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:My problem with Fisher yesterday was KP should not have been on the bench when Zeller scored. He snuck past Lopez but that play would've never been here had Fisher inserted KP. Arguably his best most versatile defender.

Also if you are going to play Lance & Lou which I'm all for then you should not play Serfafin. I agree we need to settle on a 10-12 man rotation every game. However, you guys are blowing the rotation thing out of proportion. It's not the reason we lost. It was the timing of Fisher's substations. Your bench can't blow a double digit lead twice. Fisher was to slow to react. By the time he did it was too late and we reverted to ISO-Melo.

And they shouldn't have went away from KP when he was having a great game and finally hitting his shots. He had a great 1st quarter and then never got the ball for the final 3 quarters!

THANK YOU GUNS. Im reading this and thinking the problem is DWill? He's been terrible. What he can do and what he does do are not the same.

Fisher made one huge mistake last night... how do you not play KP down the stretch? How was he not on the floor during those last two seconds? Afraid he would foul? At the very least you use the 7'3 guy with the 7'6 wingspan to pressure the inbounds passer. Lopez got turned around. He had a good game and I felt bad to see the last bucket scored on him that way. Tough break.

This notion that Fisher's rotations stink becase DWill isnt getting time is laughable. He's gotten worse every game since that first good one in the preseason. Hopefully they can get through to him, we could use the pop

Yea you know I loved the addition of DW but he doesn't deserve significant minutes right now. He has regressed and needs to earn his minutes now. As much as I like him I have no problems DNP'ing him and Serafin until they prove they can find their niche and help the team. Right now they are a liability. They had their chances. Fisher has to cut back on his rotation especially with Afflalo's return.

Also Calderon has been much better since being called out by the fans and media. I want to see how long we can ride his hot streak and if we can get by defensively on the perimeter now that Afflalo is there to pick up some of the slack.

I think Grant starts eventually but he is clearly it ready yet. Can't rush him and put too much pressure on the kid. Don't want to stunt his development. Let him refine his game with the bench against other teams 2nd unit first. When he strings a weeks worth of good games together than make the switch. Pretty sure that's the plan. The Knicks are handling him and KP just right. Executing and sticking to their plan.

Only thing is Fisher needs to improve his game awareness. He's making mistakes veteran coaches don't make. It's not easy going from the court right into coaching. I wouldn't recommend hiring a coach fresh off the court. But Fisher is a smart guy and very good at handling the New York media. I think he has it in him to overcome some of these obstacles.

gunsnewing wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:My problem with Fisher yesterday was KP should not have been on the bench when Zeller scored. He snuck past Lopez but that play would've never been here had Fisher inserted KP. Arguably his best most versatile defender.

Also if you are going to play Lance & Lou which I'm all for then you should not play Serfafin. I agree we need to settle on a 10-12 man rotation every game. However, you guys are blowing the rotation thing out of proportion. It's not the reason we lost. It was the timing of Fisher's substations. Your bench can't blow a double digit lead twice. Fisher was to slow to react. By the time he did it was too late and we reverted to ISO-Melo.

And they shouldn't have went away from KP when he was having a great game and finally hitting his shots. He had a great 1st quarter and then never got the ball for the final 3 quarters!

THANK YOU GUNS. Im reading this and thinking the problem is DWill? He's been terrible. What he can do and what he does do are not the same.

Fisher made one huge mistake last night... how do you not play KP down the stretch? How was he not on the floor during those last two seconds? Afraid he would foul? At the very least you use the 7'3 guy with the 7'6 wingspan to pressure the inbounds passer. Lopez got turned around. He had a good game and I felt bad to see the last bucket scored on him that way. Tough break.

This notion that Fisher's rotations stink becase DWill isnt getting time is laughable. He's gotten worse every game since that first good one in the preseason. Hopefully they can get through to him, we could use the pop

Yea you know I loved the addition of DW but he doesn't deserve significant minutes right now. He has regressed and needs to earn his minutes now. As much as I like him I have no problems DNP'ing him and Serafin until they prove they can find their niche and help the team. Right now they are a liability. They had their chances. Fisher has to cut back on his rotation especially with Afflalo's return.

Also Calderon has been much better since being called out by the fans and media. I want to see how long we can ride his hot streak and if we can get by defensively on the perimeter now that Afflalo is there to pick up some of the slack.

I think Grant starts eventually but he is clearly it ready yet. Can't rush him and put too much pressure on the kid. Don't want to stunt his development. Let him refine his game with the bench against other teams 2nd unit first. When he strings a weeks worth of good games together than make the switch. Pretty sure that's the plan. The Knicks are handling him and KP just right. Executing and sticking to their plan.

Only thing is Fisher needs to improve his game awareness. He's making mistakes veteran coaches don't make. It's not easy going from the court right into coaching. I wouldn't recommend hiring a coach fresh off the court. But Fisher is a smart guy and very good at handling the New York media. I think he has it in him to overcome some of these obstacles.

How do you prove worth on a team if you don't play them?

Looked like the knicks did not have any advantage with 28 seconds left and obvious they were going to use most of the clock so a time out was not out of line.

Seraphin was signed to do his job and needs to play in. He got less than 5 minutes last nite. Not a big deal.
I have no idea whats up with D-Wil but its obvious he is not engaged.

dk7th wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:This was a very winnable game; it was not time to experiment. Williams made a mistake dribbling the ball, as a result he turned it over. The bench could and should have helped him out, but they did not. The dude needs to know that he will be given 15 to 20 minutes per game and be allowed to make mistakes. This is basketball after all. Just like some around here expect us to take it easy on Fisher, he needs to take it easy on Williams

Why are you so sure DWill would've been the difference in this game? The Knicks had many opps to win this game and I don't think it really came down to playing DWill or not. I like DWill and I expect he'll get his chances this long season. It was Fisher's decision to see what others could give him. That's his right and is understandable this early with a new roster. It's not a lock that they if Fish plays DWill.

Are we the only team with new players, like i, said no team in the NBA rotates 14 guys, stop acting like this is normal and some of us shouldn't be concern.

I bet you we would have taken more than 7 damn ft's if d will and grant played more minutes

you need to give fisher 25 games to settle in and see what works and who works with whom. it's an entirely new team and they are trying to run a system that requires a great deal of repetition. and we just got the starting shooting guard back. fisher has already stated the goals for this season quite clearly, namely that it's a process of learning how to become a winning team. can't you give him and his team 25 games to sort things out?

Exactly. This is a process they need to see through. Cutting corners may or may not be better in the short term but going through the process of teaching with attention to detail should yield long term success and winning culture. Right now they are in the process of laying a strong foundation down. Cutting corners will get the roof and Sheetrock done sooner but the house will collapse after the first significant storm or in this case the first sign of adversity. Ala the way the Woodson team was patched together with he sight set on winning it all in 2012-13 or nothing. How do you go from 54wins to 37 to 17? No foundation and no winning culture for the most part with a few terrible moves sprinkled in like the Bargnani & Tyson trades. At least the Tyson trade ensured the true tank year I'd been calling for over the past 12yrs despite people beliefs that he draft is a crapshoot and Dolan's impatience & starphuching tendencies. It is often a crapshoot but smarter front offices like we have now have major advantages. Hit on one of these guys like Towns/KP to build around their prime years & you are set for 15+ years. You don't have to pay a kings ransom in picks & cap $$$$ on a declining star.