TPercy wrote:Fisher didn't have these guys playing with heart. These guys were try hard guys before having Fisher as a coach.

disagree big time. c'mon ...

Knicks1969 wrote:Fisher is very inconsistent in my opinion. He played way too many guys tonight if you ask me. We won the game because our boys scored the ball tonight and Raptors missed a lot of shots. Carmelo was consistent and he got help from the other guys. Seraphin and Lou should have never seen the court. Early and Williams need to play more. LT has been playing well since the start of the season,and so is Gallo

why do you think that you have a clue as to who should get minutes? Did you ever consider that perhaps you are WRONG? What is your background and what is your data that you are so sure who should be getting minutes?

mreinman wrote:

TPercy wrote:Fisher didn't have these guys playing with heart. These guys were try hard guys before having Fisher as a coach.

disagree big time. c'mon ...

Lance Thomas was a huge energy guy for the Thunder. Scott Brooks loved having him on his team because of how he always played the hardest in practice and motivated the team. This isn't new.

Galloway was a born hardworker who came from the D League, cracked all rookie second team and is now a sound NBA starter as a SG. His calling card has always been his tenacity on defense and his shooting, and it shows. Nothing from Fisher.

Lou Amundson is barely an NBA player based on court production yet he has maintained a role in the league for like 11 years now. There is a reason for that Lou Amundson, despite his big inadequacies on on both ends of the court, has kept a role in the league for 11 years now.

As said by a previous poster, these guys are just purely hardworking professionals who know how to play the game. Other than maybe Early or Dwill, Fisher has not improved the work ethic of these players in any way.

That being said, I do give Fisher major props for believing in these guys, even though they have their limits( bar Galloway), to carry out the crucial parts of the game and it worked. He trusted the hardworking ability and inteligence of these guys and it worked. That sets a positive influence on the rest of the team to be motivated to work hard or keep working hard and play smart because that is a big part of how we win games.

Fisher still struggles with substitutions, but hopefully he will get it. He is still into his second year of coaching, so there is still hope.

crzymdups wrote:

TPercy wrote:

mreinman wrote:

TPercy wrote:Fisher didn't have these guys playing with heart. These guys were try hard guys before having Fisher as a coach.

disagree big time. c'mon ...

Lance Thomas was a huge energy guy for the Thunder. Scott Brooks loved having him on his team because of how he always played the hardest in practice and motivated the team. This isn't new.

Galloway was a born hardworker who came from the D League, cracked all rookie second team and is now a sound NBA starter as a SG. His calling card has always been his tenacity on defense and it shows. NOthing from Fisher.

Lou Amundson is barely an NBA player based on court production yet he has maintained a role in the league for like 11 years now. There is a reason for that Lou Amundson, despite his big inadequacies on on both ends of the court, has kept a role in the league for 11 years now.

As said by a previous poster, these guys are just purely hardworking professionals who know how to play the game. Other than maybe Early or Dwill, Fisher has not improved the work ethic of these players in any way.

That being said, I do give Fisher major props for believing in these guys, even though they have their limits( bar Galloway), to carry out the crucial parts of the game and it worked. He trusted the hardworking ability and inteligence of these guys and it worked. That sets a positive influence on the rest of the team to be motivated to work hard or keep working hard and play smart because that is a big part of how we win games.

How the hell has Galloway's calling card "always been his tenacity on defense" when no one knew who the hell he was when he debuted for the Knicks less than ten months ago??? His entire NBA career his been under Fisher.

They are hardworking, serious professionals - but Fisher has them playing hard, smart, a little over their heads, and with a purpose. You can't take anything away from him this season. They've split games with the Bucks, beat the Wizards and Raptors and Lakers and lost to three of the top five teams in the NBA in SAS, CLE, and ATL.

So what he was doing in College has no effect on him as a player in the NBA? His work ethic as a player has no effect on how he plays in the NBA? His high IQ play in the D League and Summer league doesn't have any bearing on him as the player he is today? Fisher gave him all of these traits because he was the coach right? K.

These guys are very serious hardworking professionals but they exhibit that on the court because that is who they are not because of Fisher. If anyone should be getting credit for it is Phil for replacing our piss poor IQ, poorly motivated, and terrible players with hard working, smart, and high potential players to our team.

Either way both have Fisher and Phil have done a good job, and things are looking pretty solid moving forward.

TPercy wrote:

mreinman wrote:

TPercy wrote:

mreinman wrote:

TPercy wrote:Fisher didn't have these guys playing with heart. These guys were try hard guys before having Fisher as a coach.

disagree big time. c'mon ...

Lance Thomas was a huge energy guy for the Thunder. Scott Brooks loved having him on his team because of how he always played the hardest in practice and motivated the team. This isn't new.

Galloway was a born hardworker who came from the D League, cracked all rookie second team and is now a sound NBA starter as a SG. His calling card has always been his tenacity on defense and his shooting, and it shows. Nothing from Fisher.

Lou Amundson is barely an NBA player based on court production yet he has maintained a role in the league for like 11 years now. There is a reason for that Lou Amundson, despite his big inadequacies on on both ends of the court, has kept a role in the league for 11 years now.

As said by a previous poster, these guys are just purely hardworking professionals who know how to play the game. Other than maybe Early or Dwill, Fisher has not improved the work ethic of these players in any way.

That being said, I do give Fisher major props for believing in these guys, even though they have their limits( bar Galloway), to carry out the crucial parts of the game and it worked. He trusted the hardworking ability and inteligence of these guys and it worked. That sets a positive influence on the rest of the team to be motivated to work hard or keep working hard and play smart because that is a big part of how we win games.

Fisher still struggles with substitutions, but hopefully he will get it. He is still into his second year of coaching, so there is still hope.

good post.

However, if you liked anything about the way he played it was his balls out effort and from what I see, if you don't kill it out there, you will not play much.

Very true. Fisher has served as a pretty damn good enforcer out there to maintain the new culture of this team. We saw hints of that last season when we played the Mavericks and Fisher subbed out the whole starting five(including Melo!) and put out guys who actually wanted to play the game right.

One thing I really like is how they have done a pretty good job with Early. Like Phil said, Early is a really hardworking dude, but part of the reason he has been let down is because he believed that he was playing well based on how his shot was falling(aka Classic Melo). Fisher has quickly set his source of playing time to be based on his effort on defense rather than his "shot." Granted it may look a little bit inconsistent, but there is serious potential for him there as well.

yup. Good tidbit on what their issue was with early's mentality. It seems like they really like the kid (like I do) and its crucial to get his head straight.

ChuckBuck wrote:

mreinman wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Kudos to Fish for pushing the right buttons effort and defensive wise. LT and Early great subs tonight.

That said that Melo ISO at the end made me want to gouge my eyes out. That and Calderon on D. Should've done defense/offense sub.

Otherwise can't hate on pulling out the W.

He can't control melo's shot selection especially during games.

Those quick shots like 4 or 5 seconds into the shot clock had me screaming so loud my baby daughter started getting scared.

Melo basically made my baby scared.

Thats the difference between a superstar and a star. But...and it's a big BUT.....if Melo is not health, then I hold back my criticism. But from what I've seen of Melo, even when he was healthy, he relies on that jumper in crutch time, vs getting to the free throw line or taking high percentage shots. In crutch time, you don't have to rely on a contested jumper off an ISO play, early in the shot clock, with the lead? Thats why Melo is better when he's the second best player on the team. That way the lead dog can kick it out to Melo for a wide open jumper, and Melo is money. This team needs a Durant type dude to get over the top, if they plan on keeping Melo long term.

or

Pray that we already have that star playmaker in Grant.....with a alpha side kick in KP. Then we don't need Durrant. Just another solid veteran on Melo's level, as far as their impact on the game (offense or defense). Just another all star caliber player mixed in with Gallo, Grant, KP (assuming all 3 continue to improve).

blkexec wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

mreinman wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Kudos to Fish for pushing the right buttons effort and defensive wise. LT and Early great subs tonight.

That said that Melo ISO at the end made me want to gouge my eyes out. That and Calderon on D. Should've done defense/offense sub.

Otherwise can't hate on pulling out the W.

He can't control melo's shot selection especially during games.

Those quick shots like 4 or 5 seconds into the shot clock had me screaming so loud my baby daughter started getting scared.

Melo basically made my baby scared.

Thats the difference between a superstar and a star. But...and it's a big BUT.....if Melo is not health, then I hold back my criticism. But from what I've seen of Melo, even when he was healthy, he relies on that jumper in crutch time, vs getting to the free throw line or taking high percentage shots. In crutch time, you don't have to rely on a contested jumper off an ISO play, early in the shot clock, with the lead? Thats why Melo is better when he's the second best player on the team. That way the lead dog can kick it out to Melo for a wide open jumper, and Melo is money. This team needs a Durant type dude to get over the top, if they plan on keeping Melo long term.

or

Pray that we already have that star playmaker in Grant.....with a alpha side kick in KP. Then we don't need Durrant. Just another solid veteran on Melo's level, as far as their impact on the game (offense or defense). Just another all star caliber player mixed in with Gallo, Grant, KP (assuming all 3 continue to improve).

I'm indeed praying we have that player in our mix.

I'd hate Melo much much much less if he'd stop breaking off plays, stop freelancing as much, and stop heat check shooting. I liked it when he trusted his teammates in the 1st quarter and a half....the 2nd half he sucked. PERIOD.

bigbasketballs wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:I'd hate Melo much much much less if he'd stop breaking off plays, stop freelancing as much, and stop heat check shooting. I liked it when he trusted his teammates in the 1st quarter and a half....the 2nd half he sucked. PERIOD.

There is an argument to be made just to accept the player for what he is. Melo is an imperfect basketball player. But anyone expecting him to become a fundamentally different basketball are probably going to be disappointed.

It's like living in the northeast. You might not like snow, but expecting it in winter is a smart idea. Complaining about it constantly is questionable use of time.

0-7 in the 4th quarter. Chuck after chuck almost costing them the game, if it weren't for RoLo and LT bailing him and the Knicks out.

Give it a rest man. He stunk up the joint in the 2nd half. The Knicks won...in spite of him in that tightly contested 4th quarter.