ChuckBuck wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:10000% agree with Chad Ford. Get Melo to waive no trade clause, and go all in on the rebuild. Get some role players and picks to complement the Latvian Legend. Build around Porzingis, damit!

Stephen A is an entertaining phucktard.

This is where both you and Stephen A are wrong, you do not need to pick one or the other. There is no definitive "either build around Melo, or build around KP" that has to be done right away. Obviously KP is the future of the team, no doubt about it, but both you and ESPN, and Stephen A think in extremes. It doesn't have to be far left or far right. You build around KP, while keeping Melo as part of the equation to remain as competitive as possible while KP develops at a steady rate. You do not throw KP even more in the fire, starting him does enough, and fortunately he is mentally tough enough to handle his current role. But to increase that role asap is a huge mistake. We DO NOT have a draft pick this offseason, we WILL NOT yield a high return for Melo at this stage, so sit back and allow KP to develop while Melo scores his 20+ ppg, wins us some games, because again, there is no advantage to losing, it does not help us this offseason. When KP is ready for prime time, the Knicks will pass the torch to him and Melo will either be phased out and traded to a contender, or continue in a supporting role as a secondary scorer. It's really that simple. But you insisting this team cannot be Porzingis' team WHEN he is ready for that because Melo is here is very foolish on your part. It is clear you will never quite understand this, but there is zero advantage to trading Melo as long as he continues to buy in and play his part. I'm not sure which sounds more ridiculous, you saying we have to trade Melo in order to build around KP, or Stephen A saying we should not build around KP all together because Melo is our best player. Both are crazy to me.

Hear, hear.

Bad take. Build for now and the future. 35 year old Melo will essentially be equal to 2 or 3 solid role players in 2018-2019 even with the exploding cap:

Get value for him while you can now. No one will give up any decent value in a trade for a 35 year old "scorer" even as an expiring contract in 2018-2019.

bigbasketballs wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:10000% agree with Chad Ford. Get Melo to waive no trade clause, and go all in on the rebuild. Get some role players and picks to complement the Latvian Legend. Build around Porzingis, damit!

Stephen A is an entertaining phucktard.

This is where both you and Stephen A are wrong, you do not need to pick one or the other. There is no definitive "either build around Melo, or build around KP" that has to be done right away. Obviously KP is the future of the team, no doubt about it, but both you and ESPN, and Stephen A think in extremes. It doesn't have to be far left or far right. You build around KP, while keeping Melo as part of the equation to remain as competitive as possible while KP develops at a steady rate. You do not throw KP even more in the fire, starting him does enough, and fortunately he is mentally tough enough to handle his current role. But to increase that role asap is a huge mistake. We DO NOT have a draft pick this offseason, we WILL NOT yield a high return for Melo at this stage, so sit back and allow KP to develop while Melo scores his 20+ ppg, wins us some games, because again, there is no advantage to losing, it does not help us this offseason. When KP is ready for prime time, the Knicks will pass the torch to him and Melo will either be phased out and traded to a contender, or continue in a supporting role as a secondary scorer. It's really that simple. But you insisting this team cannot be Porzingis' team WHEN he is ready for that because Melo is here is very foolish on your part. It is clear you will never quite understand this, but there is zero advantage to trading Melo as long as he continues to buy in and play his part.

You trade Melo sooner rather than later while he still retains some value. You will not get better value down the road, especially draft picks. If you or others can't see the value in picks

Quantify the value of "picks"? A "pick" could be anywhere from 1 to 60, with represents many tiers of wildly varying values.

You trade him the instant someone dials 9 to dial out on the landline....

What part of "no-trade clause" do you struggle with?

If they're even talking about trading Melo, then a "no-trade clause" can be waived. What part of that do you struggle with? Basically all Fisher has to do is bench Melo, Melo complains to Jax, Jax honors his request.

Understand?

So your premise is to bench Melo, become the laughingstock of the league in the process and create a media circus surrounding the development of Porzingis, Galloway and Grant, compromise your bargaining position by creating a sense of extreme urgency, and bank on Melo giving the Knicks exactly what they want.

Got it.

No holes in that plan.

No holes. Knicks play with more energy and defense when it's Galloway, Grant, DWill, Porzingis, and O'Quinn\RoLo anyways.

Knixkik wrote:Your ideas continue to amaze me.

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Your ideas continue to amaze me.

well the plan where chuck, DK and TFK fling poop at Melo from the cheap seats seems to have failed, so its back to the drawing board. Its a big board.

Fast forward 5 years I think Melo is being honored with a statue and honorary citizenship of Catalonia after leading FC Barcelona to a threepeat in their scenario.

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:10000% agree with Chad Ford. Get Melo to waive no trade clause, and go all in on the rebuild. Get some role players and picks to complement the Latvian Legend. Build around Porzingis, damit!

Stephen A is an entertaining phucktard.

This is where both you and Stephen A are wrong, you do not need to pick one or the other. There is no definitive "either build around Melo, or build around KP" that has to be done right away. Obviously KP is the future of the team, no doubt about it, but both you and ESPN, and Stephen A think in extremes. It doesn't have to be far left or far right. You build around KP, while keeping Melo as part of the equation to remain as competitive as possible while KP develops at a steady rate. You do not throw KP even more in the fire, starting him does enough, and fortunately he is mentally tough enough to handle his current role. But to increase that role asap is a huge mistake. We DO NOT have a draft pick this offseason, we WILL NOT yield a high return for Melo at this stage, so sit back and allow KP to develop while Melo scores his 20+ ppg, wins us some games, because again, there is no advantage to losing, it does not help us this offseason. When KP is ready for prime time, the Knicks will pass the torch to him and Melo will either be phased out and traded to a contender, or continue in a supporting role as a secondary scorer. It's really that simple. But you insisting this team cannot be Porzingis' team WHEN he is ready for that because Melo is here is very foolish on your part. It is clear you will never quite understand this, but there is zero advantage to trading Melo as long as he continues to buy in and play his part.

You trade Melo sooner rather than later while he still retains some value. You will not get better value down the road, especially draft picks. If you or others can't see the value in picks

Quantify the value of "picks"? A "pick" could be anywhere from 1 to 60, with represents many tiers of wildly varying values.

You trade him the instant someone dials 9 to dial out on the landline....

What part of "no-trade clause" do you struggle with?

If they're even talking about trading Melo, then a "no-trade clause" can be waived. What part of that do you struggle with? Basically all Fisher has to do is bench Melo, Melo complains to Jax, Jax honors his request.

Understand?

Your ideas continue to amaze me.

Anyone afraid to even entertain trade offers for best return in value picks and valuable role players to grow alongside our prized youth project continue to amaze me.

You'd all rather see a guy chuck it up for 30% from the field with 1 or 2 assists and negative floor energy on defense...

Get thee to the Trade Checker then! What exactly are you talking about? What is this trade when we haven't even see our a division rival yet and teams are still filling out their rosters with hardship cases?

what a fukking tool! Say his name right you bonehead.

ChuckBuck wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:10000% agree with Chad Ford. Get Melo to waive no trade clause, and go all in on the rebuild. Get some role players and picks to complement the Latvian Legend. Build around Porzingis, damit!

Stephen A is an entertaining phucktard.

This is where both you and Stephen A are wrong, you do not need to pick one or the other. There is no definitive "either build around Melo, or build around KP" that has to be done right away. Obviously KP is the future of the team, no doubt about it, but both you and ESPN, and Stephen A think in extremes. It doesn't have to be far left or far right. You build around KP, while keeping Melo as part of the equation to remain as competitive as possible while KP develops at a steady rate. You do not throw KP even more in the fire, starting him does enough, and fortunately he is mentally tough enough to handle his current role. But to increase that role asap is a huge mistake. We DO NOT have a draft pick this offseason, we WILL NOT yield a high return for Melo at this stage, so sit back and allow KP to develop while Melo scores his 20+ ppg, wins us some games, because again, there is no advantage to losing, it does not help us this offseason. When KP is ready for prime time, the Knicks will pass the torch to him and Melo will either be phased out and traded to a contender, or continue in a supporting role as a secondary scorer. It's really that simple. But you insisting this team cannot be Porzingis' team WHEN he is ready for that because Melo is here is very foolish on your part. It is clear you will never quite understand this, but there is zero advantage to trading Melo as long as he continues to buy in and play his part.

You trade Melo sooner rather than later while he still retains some value. You will not get better value down the road, especially draft picks. If you or others can't see the value in picks

Quantify the value of "picks"? A "pick" could be anywhere from 1 to 60, with represents many tiers of wildly varying values.

You trade him the instant someone dials 9 to dial out on the landline....

What part of "no-trade clause" do you struggle with?

If they're even talking about trading Melo, then a "no-trade clause" can be waived. What part of that do you struggle with? Basically all Fisher has to do is bench Melo, Melo complains to Jax, Jax honors his request.

Understand?

Your ideas continue to amaze me.

Anyone afraid to even entertain trade offers for best return in value picks and valuable role players to grow alongside our prized youth project continue to amaze me.

You'd all rather see a guy chuck it up for 30% from the field with 1 or 2 assists and negative floor energy on defense...

Get thee to the Trade Checker then! What exactly are you talking about? What is this trade when we haven't even see our a division rival yet and teams are still filling out their rosters with hardship cases?

I mean I don't even have to go to the Trade Checker to tell you Noah and Taj Gibson works for Melo money wise. Obviously Portis or Mirotic or McDermott would be nice, but just for arguments sake, you can see it wouldn't be hard.

So Noah and Gibson are the role players you want to "grow" alongside Porzingis. That is what you said, not me. I understand there are trades out there for Melo, but you are listing a trade which unloads Melo, and doesn't help put the right guys next to Porzingis. In fact, the players you mentioned would just eat into his time and could hamper his development. I understand this is just an example, but using your own logic, it is a very poor one. We don't really know what is out there for an offer, so let's not assume every team is going to give us exactly what we want if we can convince him to waive his NTC. Need to be a little realistic.

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:10000% agree with Chad Ford. Get Melo to waive no trade clause, and go all in on the rebuild. Get some role players and picks to complement the Latvian Legend. Build around Porzingis, damit!

Stephen A is an entertaining phucktard.

This is where both you and Stephen A are wrong, you do not need to pick one or the other. There is no definitive "either build around Melo, or build around KP" that has to be done right away. Obviously KP is the future of the team, no doubt about it, but both you and ESPN, and Stephen A think in extremes. It doesn't have to be far left or far right. You build around KP, while keeping Melo as part of the equation to remain as competitive as possible while KP develops at a steady rate. You do not throw KP even more in the fire, starting him does enough, and fortunately he is mentally tough enough to handle his current role. But to increase that role asap is a huge mistake. We DO NOT have a draft pick this offseason, we WILL NOT yield a high return for Melo at this stage, so sit back and allow KP to develop while Melo scores his 20+ ppg, wins us some games, because again, there is no advantage to losing, it does not help us this offseason. When KP is ready for prime time, the Knicks will pass the torch to him and Melo will either be phased out and traded to a contender, or continue in a supporting role as a secondary scorer. It's really that simple. But you insisting this team cannot be Porzingis' team WHEN he is ready for that because Melo is here is very foolish on your part. It is clear you will never quite understand this, but there is zero advantage to trading Melo as long as he continues to buy in and play his part.

You trade Melo sooner rather than later while he still retains some value. You will not get better value down the road, especially draft picks. If you or others can't see the value in picks

Quantify the value of "picks"? A "pick" could be anywhere from 1 to 60, with represents many tiers of wildly varying values.

You trade him the instant someone dials 9 to dial out on the landline....

What part of "no-trade clause" do you struggle with?

If they're even talking about trading Melo, then a "no-trade clause" can be waived. What part of that do you struggle with? Basically all Fisher has to do is bench Melo, Melo complains to Jax, Jax honors his request.

Understand?

Your ideas continue to amaze me.

Anyone afraid to even entertain trade offers for best return in value picks and valuable role players to grow alongside our prized youth project continue to amaze me.

You'd all rather see a guy chuck it up for 30% from the field with 1 or 2 assists and negative floor energy on defense...

Get thee to the Trade Checker then! What exactly are you talking about? What is this trade when we haven't even see our a division rival yet and teams are still filling out their rosters with hardship cases?

I mean I don't even have to go to the Trade Checker to tell you Noah and Taj Gibson works for Melo money wise. Obviously Portis or Mirotic or McDermott would be nice, but just for arguments sake, you can see it wouldn't be hard.

So Noah and Gibson are the role players you want to "grow" alongside Porzingis. That is what you said, not me. I understand there are trades out there for Melo, but you are listing a trade which unloads Melo, and doesn't help put the right guys next to Porzingis. In fact, the players you mentioned would just eat into his time and could hamper his development. I understand this is just an example, but using your own logic, it is a very poor one. We don't really know what is out there for an offer, so let's not assume every team is going to give us exactly what we want if we can convince him to waive his NTC. Need to be a little realistic.

Noah and Gibson are expiring contracts my friend. We'd get out from 4 more years of declining value in Melo. Think outside the box.

ChuckBuck wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

Blah blah blah blah.

Good retort. Presented with a logical take, you resort to childishness. Not much of a doctor!

There was stuff before that you cut out. But a picture is worth a thousand words. Got it.

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:10000% agree with Chad Ford. Get Melo to waive no trade clause, and go all in on the rebuild. Get some role players and picks to complement the Latvian Legend. Build around Porzingis, damit!

Stephen A is an entertaining phucktard.

This is where both you and Stephen A are wrong, you do not need to pick one or the other. There is no definitive "either build around Melo, or build around KP" that has to be done right away. Obviously KP is the future of the team, no doubt about it, but both you and ESPN, and Stephen A think in extremes. It doesn't have to be far left or far right. You build around KP, while keeping Melo as part of the equation to remain as competitive as possible while KP develops at a steady rate. You do not throw KP even more in the fire, starting him does enough, and fortunately he is mentally tough enough to handle his current role. But to increase that role asap is a huge mistake. We DO NOT have a draft pick this offseason, we WILL NOT yield a high return for Melo at this stage, so sit back and allow KP to develop while Melo scores his 20+ ppg, wins us some games, because again, there is no advantage to losing, it does not help us this offseason. When KP is ready for prime time, the Knicks will pass the torch to him and Melo will either be phased out and traded to a contender, or continue in a supporting role as a secondary scorer. It's really that simple. But you insisting this team cannot be Porzingis' team WHEN he is ready for that because Melo is here is very foolish on your part. It is clear you will never quite understand this, but there is zero advantage to trading Melo as long as he continues to buy in and play his part.

You trade Melo sooner rather than later while he still retains some value. You will not get better value down the road, especially draft picks. If you or others can't see the value in picks

Quantify the value of "picks"? A "pick" could be anywhere from 1 to 60, with represents many tiers of wildly varying values.

You trade him the instant someone dials 9 to dial out on the landline....

What part of "no-trade clause" do you struggle with?

If they're even talking about trading Melo, then a "no-trade clause" can be waived. What part of that do you struggle with? Basically all Fisher has to do is bench Melo, Melo complains to Jax, Jax honors his request.

Understand?

Your ideas continue to amaze me.

Anyone afraid to even entertain trade offers for best return in value picks and valuable role players to grow alongside our prized youth project continue to amaze me.

You'd all rather see a guy chuck it up for 30% from the field with 1 or 2 assists and negative floor energy on defense...

Get thee to the Trade Checker then! What exactly are you talking about? What is this trade when we haven't even see our a division rival yet and teams are still filling out their rosters with hardship cases?

I mean I don't even have to go to the Trade Checker to tell you Noah and Taj Gibson works for Melo money wise. Obviously Portis or Mirotic or McDermott would be nice, but just for arguments sake, you can see it wouldn't be hard.

So Noah and Gibson are the role players you want to "grow" alongside Porzingis. That is what you said, not me. I understand there are trades out there for Melo, but you are listing a trade which unloads Melo, and doesn't help put the right guys next to Porzingis. In fact, the players you mentioned would just eat into his time and could hamper his development. I understand this is just an example, but using your own logic, it is a very poor one. We don't really know what is out there for an offer, so let's not assume every team is going to give us exactly what we want if we can convince him to waive his NTC. Need to be a little realistic.

Noah and Gibson are expiring contracts my friend. We'd get out from 4 more years of declining value in Melo. Think outside the box.

Just what we need, more cap space in a market which there will be enough for whatever we want. So again, you plan is to "unload" Melo for cap space, not trade him for young and picks to surround our young star with. I get what you are trying to do here, and i will say your thought process is inconsistent, shows little logic, and ultimately just attempts to satisfy your hate for Melo, which has absolutely nothing to do with trying to help the development of KP or the future of this team. You are not "thinking outside the box", you are stuck in a very small box filled with Melo-hate. I have shown in multiple threads while trading Melo (if he were to waive his clause) may have negative impact on the development of KP, and you have not proven otherwise. And before you argue I am in love with Melo, i will say that if they was a scenario which improves this team right now and sets us up better for the future as well by trading Melo, then i would be all for it. But i am not going to trade him at all costs, because that is just stupid, and again, we are fortunate that Phil, one of the greatest minds in basketball, agrees.