mreinman wrote:

blkexec wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I'm not the least bit surprise at his level of play. This league is not a half court physical league like it use to be. it's a guards league and KP already has the quickness.

These AAU players that have zero fundamentals, are the ones that need more time to grow. There were so many warning that this kid was special, but LA, Phili, and minni, obviously didn't do their home work.

Minny got towns. He was the clear number one and he is playing like it. Given a do over, they still pick towns.

Actually OK4 was the clear cut #1. But there was a very small group of us that argued for many threads how towns should be moved up to first pick. Then another very small group that saw potential in KP....over ok4. Russell is the biggest surprise. Thought he would play better. I guess he's a system guy. Lakers don't have the right system.

Ok4 was not the clear cut #1. What are you saying? First of all, check the Towns thread, and Towns was ahead on every board before the draft.

I personally posted often about what I did not like about Ok4's game.

I did like Russell though and still do but much less certain especially being on that gross laker team.

It's really embarrassing how much u talk out of the side of your azz sometimes. You invite this on yourself for some reason. Please do your homework first. You were obviously late on the towns wagon. When he was the 6th best prospect u was no where to be found. Please stop....you're embarrassing yourself.

http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/eye-on-college-basketball/24773610/cbssportscoms-top-100-players-in-college-hoops-for-2014-15

blkexec wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I'm not the least bit surprise at his level of play. This league is not a half court physical league like it use to be. it's a guards league and KP already has the quickness.

These AAU players that have zero fundamentals, are the ones that need more time to grow. There were so many warning that this kid was special, but LA, Phili, and minni, obviously didn't do their home work.

Minny got towns. He was the clear number one and he is playing like it. Given a do over, they still pick towns.

Actually OK4 was the clear cut #1. But there was a very small group of us that argued for many threads how towns should be moved up to first pick. Then another very small group that saw potential in KP....over ok4. Russell is the biggest surprise. Thought he would play better. I guess he's a system guy. Lakers don't have the right system.

Or it could just be Kobe being the psycho that he is and messing with the kid's head.

blkexec wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

mreinman wrote:

blkexec wrote:

mreinman wrote:

blkexec wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I'm not the least bit surprise at his level of play. This league is not a half court physical league like it use to be. it's a guards league and KP already has the quickness.

These AAU players that have zero fundamentals, are the ones that need more time to grow. There were so many warning that this kid was special, but LA, Phili, and minni, obviously didn't do their home work.

Minny got towns. He was the clear number one and he is playing like it. Given a do over, they still pick towns.

Actually OK4 was the clear cut #1. But there was a very small group of us that argued for many threads how towns should be moved up to first pick. Then another very small group that saw potential in KP....over ok4. Russell is the biggest surprise. Thought he would play better. I guess he's a system guy. Lakers don't have the right system.

Ok4 was not the clear cut #1. What are you saying? First of all, check the Towns thread, and Towns was ahead on every board before the draft.

I personally posted often about what I did not like about Ok4's game.

I did like Russell though and still do but much less certain especially being on that gross laker team.

It's really embarrassing how much u talk out of the side of your azz sometimes. You invite this on yourself for some reason. Please do your homework first. You were obviously late on the towns wagon. When he was the 6th best prospect u was no where to be found. Please stop....you're embarrassing yourself.

http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/eye-on-college-basketball/24773610/cbssportscoms-top-100-players-in-college-hoops-for-2014-15

on the draft boards right before the draft? Towns was the clear number one AT THE DAMN DRAFT no?

wish people would read posts before making fools out of themselves. Unnecessary.

For a good part of the college season I remember OK4 being considered the #1 prospect. He was injured at some point, if I remember correctly and his game may have slowed down a bit. Folks also started looking more closely at at his defensive deficiencies and below the rim offensive game.

Towns seemed to come on late. I put him #1 based on his D and outside shooting, and because I thought he looked solid in the tournament.

I also think Towns put more effort into his pre-draft training. It was basically conceded that OK4 would go to the Lakers, his favorite team as a kid, but he did not impress in workouts, from what I remember, even though he was asked in twice.

Also remember reading that Flip Saunders liked OK4, but the rest of his team liked Towns.

Thank you.....There's no point in arguing historical facts. I couldn't have said it any better. Reinman u barking up the wrong tree ......I'm not going to argue facts it's pointless. Only opinions. Towns came on late.....but there's nothing wrong with that. I don't understand ur beef. Either way I'm done. U win.....

who gives a sh1t who came on late and who was the early favorite? You can't read? That is not my problem.

I said that towns was ahead on pretty much every board before the draft.

So you take "before" as meaning like a year before? 6 months?

I SAID RIGHT BEFORE THE FREAKIN DRAFT! gEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEz

good bye.

Cartman718 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

blkexec wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

mreinman wrote:

blkexec wrote:

mreinman wrote:

blkexec wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I'm not the least bit surprise at his level of play. This league is not a half court physical league like it use to be. it's a guards league and KP already has the quickness.

These AAU players that have zero fundamentals, are the ones that need more time to grow. There were so many warning that this kid was special, but LA, Phili, and minni, obviously didn't do their home work.

Minny got towns. He was the clear number one and he is playing like it. Given a do over, they still pick towns.

Actually OK4 was the clear cut #1. But there was a very small group of us that argued for many threads how towns should be moved up to first pick. Then another very small group that saw potential in KP....over ok4. Russell is the biggest surprise. Thought he would play better. I guess he's a system guy. Lakers don't have the right system.

Ok4 was not the clear cut #1. What are you saying? First of all, check the Towns thread, and Towns was ahead on every board before the draft.

I personally posted often about what I did not like about Ok4's game.

I did like Russell though and still do but much less certain especially being on that gross laker team.

It's really embarrassing how much u talk out of the side of your azz sometimes. You invite this on yourself for some reason. Please do your homework first. You were obviously late on the towns wagon. When he was the 6th best prospect u was no where to be found. Please stop....you're embarrassing yourself.

http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/eye-on-college-basketball/24773610/cbssportscoms-top-100-players-in-college-hoops-for-2014-15

on the draft boards right before the draft? Towns was the clear number one AT THE DAMN DRAFT no?

wish people would read posts before making fools out of themselves. Unnecessary.

For a good part of the college season I remember OK4 being considered the #1 prospect. He was injured at some point, if I remember correctly and his game may have slowed down a bit. Folks also started looking more closely at at his defensive deficiencies and below the rim offensive game.

Towns seemed to come on late. I put him #1 based on his D and outside shooting, and because I thought he looked solid in the tournament.

I also think Towns put more effort into his pre-draft training. It was basically conceded that OK4 would go to the Lakers, his favorite team as a kid, but he did not impress in workouts, from what I remember, even though he was asked in twice.

Also remember reading that Flip Saunders liked OK4, but the rest of his team liked Towns.

Thank you.....There's no point in arguing historical facts. I couldn't have said it any better. Reinman u barking up the wrong tree ......I'm not going to argue facts it's pointless. Only opinions. Towns came on late.....but there's nothing wrong with that. I don't understand ur beef. Either way I'm done. U win.....

who gives a sh1t who came on late and who was the early favorite? You can't read? That is not my problem.

I said that towns was ahead on pretty much every board before the draft.

So you take "before" as meaning like a year before? 6 months?

I SAID RIGHT BEFORE THE FREAKIN DRAFT! gEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEz

good bye.

marsha marsha marsha!

Somebody needs a snickers!

blkexec wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

blkexec wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

mreinman wrote:

blkexec wrote:

mreinman wrote:

blkexec wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I'm not the least bit surprise at his level of play. This league is not a half court physical league like it use to be. it's a guards league and KP already has the quickness.

These AAU players that have zero fundamentals, are the ones that need more time to grow. There were so many warning that this kid was special, but LA, Phili, and minni, obviously didn't do their home work.

Minny got towns. He was the clear number one and he is playing like it. Given a do over, they still pick towns.

Actually OK4 was the clear cut #1. But there was a very small group of us that argued for many threads how towns should be moved up to first pick. Then another very small group that saw potential in KP....over ok4. Russell is the biggest surprise. Thought he would play better. I guess he's a system guy. Lakers don't have the right system.

Ok4 was not the clear cut #1. What are you saying? First of all, check the Towns thread, and Towns was ahead on every board before the draft.

I personally posted often about what I did not like about Ok4's game.

I did like Russell though and still do but much less certain especially being on that gross laker team.

It's really embarrassing how much u talk out of the side of your azz sometimes. You invite this on yourself for some reason. Please do your homework first. You were obviously late on the towns wagon. When he was the 6th best prospect u was no where to be found. Please stop....you're embarrassing yourself.

http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/eye-on-college-basketball/24773610/cbssportscoms-top-100-players-in-college-hoops-for-2014-15

on the draft boards right before the draft? Towns was the clear number one AT THE DAMN DRAFT no?

wish people would read posts before making fools out of themselves. Unnecessary.

For a good part of the college season I remember OK4 being considered the #1 prospect. He was injured at some point, if I remember correctly and his game may have slowed down a bit. Folks also started looking more closely at at his defensive deficiencies and below the rim offensive game.

Towns seemed to come on late. I put him #1 based on his D and outside shooting, and because I thought he looked solid in the tournament.

I also think Towns put more effort into his pre-draft training. It was basically conceded that OK4 would go to the Lakers, his favorite team as a kid, but he did not impress in workouts, from what I remember, even though he was asked in twice.

Also remember reading that Flip Saunders liked OK4, but the rest of his team liked Towns.

Thank you.....There's no point in arguing historical facts. I couldn't have said it any better. Reinman u barking up the wrong tree ......I'm not going to argue facts it's pointless. Only opinions. Towns came on late.....but there's nothing wrong with that. I don't understand ur beef. Either way I'm done. U win.....

who gives a sh1t who came on late and who was the early favorite? You can't read? That is not my problem.

I said that towns was ahead on pretty much every board before the draft.

So you take "before" as meaning like a year before? 6 months?

I SAID RIGHT BEFORE THE FREAKIN DRAFT! gEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEz

good bye.

marsha marsha marsha!

Somebody needs a snickers!

I hear you reinman.....I read your original post and I see the mis communication. No big deal. I'm talking oranges and you're talking apples. It happens whenever theres a discussion via text or chat. Thats the disadvantage of chat communication vs face to face. Hopefully you didn't pop a blood vessel over this miscommunication.

Knixkik wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:Some good stuff...glad to see that they are recognizing and analyzing everything we've been impressed by so far.

Ford voiced something many of us have also thought about so far:

What have you seen watching Porzingis?

Ford: The same. Defense and rebounding were the things I thought he'd struggle with out of the gate. Porzingis is well ahead of the curve early on.

Ironically, where I thought he'd excel early -- shooting -- he's struggled. Porzingis is shooting just 23 percent from 3 so far. Given his soft shooting touch, I expect that will improve dramatically down the road. That makes me even more bullish about his future.

I'm hoping that as he becomes more relaxed and confident on the offensive end he should be averaging about 15+PPG with a few 20 pt games.

Amazing that we are talking about his progress in terms of games, weeks, or months, and not the "years" that we first heard talked about pre and post draft.

Thanks for bringing that up. Many great shooters struggled their rookie seasons shooting the ball. Shooting is about rhythm, confidence, and comfort and most don't have those things their rookie season. Dirk, who is widely considered the best shooting big man in league history, did not shoot well his rookie year. In fact his shooting numbers were approx. 40% shooting, 20% from three, and are very similar to Porzingis right now.

On Kris' poor outside shot.... couldn't it be all the strength training they're having him do is throwing off his accuracy from distance? Maybe he is adjusting to newfound upper body strength and needs to take a little off his release or even shoot from further back!

Sambakick wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:Some good stuff...glad to see that they are recognizing and analyzing everything we've been impressed by so far.

Ford voiced something many of us have also thought about so far:

What have you seen watching Porzingis?

Ford: The same. Defense and rebounding were the things I thought he'd struggle with out of the gate. Porzingis is well ahead of the curve early on.

Ironically, where I thought he'd excel early -- shooting -- he's struggled. Porzingis is shooting just 23 percent from 3 so far. Given his soft shooting touch, I expect that will improve dramatically down the road. That makes me even more bullish about his future.

I'm hoping that as he becomes more relaxed and confident on the offensive end he should be averaging about 15+PPG with a few 20 pt games.

Amazing that we are talking about his progress in terms of games, weeks, or months, and not the "years" that we first heard talked about pre and post draft.

Thanks for bringing that up. Many great shooters struggled their rookie seasons shooting the ball. Shooting is about rhythm, confidence, and comfort and most don't have those things their rookie season. Dirk, who is widely considered the best shooting big man in league history, did not shoot well his rookie year. In fact his shooting numbers were approx. 40% shooting, 20% from three, and are very similar to Porzingis right now.

On Kris' poor outside shot.... couldn't it be all the strength training they're having him do is throwing off his accuracy from distance? Maybe he is adjusting to newfound upper body strength and needs to take a little off his release or even shoot from further back!

I think that is part of it, but i really think he just needs the game to slow down a little for him. He is playing at 100 miles an hour when he is in, trying to impact the game with activity and intensity, and then when he gets an open shot, he has to flip a switch and calm himself down. That is incredibly hard to do and will take time, which is why most of these guys don't shoot well their rookie seasons.

Knixkik wrote:

Sambakick wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:Some good stuff...glad to see that they are recognizing and analyzing everything we've been impressed by so far.

Ford voiced something many of us have also thought about so far:

What have you seen watching Porzingis?

Ford: The same. Defense and rebounding were the things I thought he'd struggle with out of the gate. Porzingis is well ahead of the curve early on.

Ironically, where I thought he'd excel early -- shooting -- he's struggled. Porzingis is shooting just 23 percent from 3 so far. Given his soft shooting touch, I expect that will improve dramatically down the road. That makes me even more bullish about his future.

I'm hoping that as he becomes more relaxed and confident on the offensive end he should be averaging about 15+PPG with a few 20 pt games.

Amazing that we are talking about his progress in terms of games, weeks, or months, and not the "years" that we first heard talked about pre and post draft.

Thanks for bringing that up. Many great shooters struggled their rookie seasons shooting the ball. Shooting is about rhythm, confidence, and comfort and most don't have those things their rookie season. Dirk, who is widely considered the best shooting big man in league history, did not shoot well his rookie year. In fact his shooting numbers were approx. 40% shooting, 20% from three, and are very similar to Porzingis right now.

On Kris' poor outside shot.... couldn't it be all the strength training they're having him do is throwing off his accuracy from distance? Maybe he is adjusting to newfound upper body strength and needs to take a little off his release or even shoot from further back!

I think that is part of it, but i really think he just needs the game to slow down a little for him. He is playing at 100 miles an hour when he is in, trying to impact the game with activity and intensity, and then when he gets an open shot, he has to flip a switch and calm himself down. That is incredibly hard to do and will take time, which is why most of these guys don't shoot well their rookie seasons.

yup ... exactly. It has to become second nature. And, he is not clanking or missing badly. They are all close.