holfresh wrote:GustavBahler wrote:holfresh wrote:GustavBahler wrote:holfresh wrote:CrushAlot wrote:franco12 wrote:herkyJerky wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Robin Lopez doesn't seem to want to rebound the ball and o quinn has
Maybe you should look at KP's rebounding numbers and do some math lol.
Really? lol!
So every lose ball that Robin could have gotten, KP got instead?
Robin boxes out his man and usually another allowing his teammates to rebound. Sometimes it appears he is boxing out three guys. It makes sense that KP's rebounding numbers are so much higher now playing with Lopez. It also helped Aldridge. I like O'Quinn off the bench. He gives up some height to most starters but in the bench role has been very effective. I also think Lopez fits really well with KP.
I have never heard more nonsense in my life..He boxes out his own man??..Great rebounders boxes out their man and grab the rebound themselves..It is impossible to box out three guys unless you are holding all of them...Impossible!!..You can't control the rebound to your own teammate..Lopez rebounding numbers also increased when he joined Portland, does Aldridge get the credit for boxing out his guy too??
He needs to give more effort rebounding period and stop making excuses..I have never seen anyone get credit for rebounds they didn't grab like Lopez..And he even promotes the narrative..
Only Andre Drummond has pulled down more offensive rebounds than Porzingis so there is a silver lining to Lopez's rebounding numbers. He never was a great rebounder but contrary to what you say, Lopez does a good job of sticking his butt out and keeping guys out of position. He doesnt have much elevation so I dont expect double digit rebounding games, especially now that Porzingis is 2 stories above him. He is the best defender we have had in years and KP is progressing nicely. As long as either KP or Lopez grab the board, and they both play defense, Im happy, and you should be too, Hatey McHater.
So Lopez is getting credit for KP jumping over Aldridge's head for the put back, classic...
Where is Lopez in this frame of KP's two offensive rebounds?..
Lopez is a good offensive rebounder, he now plays along side an even better one. You seem determined to prove that Lopez provides this team little if anything. Lopez is the physical, tough minded defender this team hasnt had since KT. Is he a complete player? Far from it. I would still pick him over Monroe, especially after last night. Your clip proves that Lopez was on the bench and we might have one of the best offensive rebounders in the league to play alongside someone who has histoically been one of the best interior defenders in the league. I'm good.
If he is a great offensive rebounder then he is an atrocious defensive rebounder because his overall numbers are horrendous for a 7 footer.....I'm not trying to prove anything, what I'm doing is disproving the outlandish claims you and others are making...This is not about picking a better guy..It's about his rebounding..He can do better...Where do u guys get these good offensive/best interior defense stats from to make these claims???..Must be the top ten showing in rebound percentage...
Offensive Rebounds
1. Andre Drummond ▪ DET 437
2. DeAndre Jordan ▪ LAC 397
3. Tyson Chandler ▪ DAL 294
4. Enes Kanter ▪ TOT 277
5. Tristan Thompson ▪ CLE 274
6. Rudy Gobert ▪ UTA 265
7. Omer Asik ▪ NOP 244
8. Kenneth Faried ▪ DEN 242
9. Nikola Vucevic ▪ ORL 238
10. Ed Davis ▪ LAL 230
11. Greg Monroe ▪ DET 229
12. Zach Randolph ▪ MEM 225
13. Gorgui Dieng ▪ MIN 223
14. Pau Gasol ▪ CHI 220
15. Joakim Noah ▪ CHI 219
16. Jonas Valanciunas ▪ TOR 215
17. Brook Lopez ▪ BRK 214
18. Timofey Mozgov ▪ TOT 203
19. Steven Adams ▪ OKC 199
20. Zaza Pachulia ▪ MIL 197
Offensive Rebound Pct
1. Andre Drummond ▪ DET 18.3
2. DeAndre Jordan ▪ LAC 16.2
3. Enes Kanter ▪ TOT 14.6
4. Tristan Thompson ▪ CLE 14.5
5. Rudy Gobert ▪ UTA 14.3
6. Tyson Chandler ▪ DAL 14.1
7. Omer Asik ▪ NOP 14.0
8. Ed Davis ▪ LAL 13.3
9. Zaza Pachulia ▪ MIL 13.1
10. Robin Lopez ▪ POR 12.7
11. Steven Adams ▪ OKC 12.2
12. Kenneth Faried ▪ DEN 12.1
13. Joakim Noah ▪ CHI 11.9
14. Jonas Valanciunas ▪ TOR 11.8
15. Brook Lopez ▪ BRK 11.5
16. Mason Plumlee ▪ BRK 11.3
17. Gorgui Dieng ▪ MIN 11.3
18. Greg Monroe ▪ DET 11.2
19. Zach Randolph ▪ MEM 11.2
20. Timofey Mozgov ▪ TOT 11.0
Total Rebound Pct
1. DeAndre Jordan ▪ LAC 24.5
2. Andre Drummond ▪ DET 24.0
3. Omer Asik ▪ NOP 21.4
4. DeMarcus Cousins ▪ SAC 21.1
5. Rudy Gobert ▪ UTA 20.7
6. Tyson Chandler ▪ DAL 20.7
7. Jonas Valanciunas ▪ TOR 19.1
8. Pau Gasol ▪ CHI 18.6
9. Zach Randolph ▪ MEM 18.5
10. Andrew Bogut ▪ GSW 18.5
11. Nikola Vucevic ▪ ORL 18.1
12. Ed Davis ▪ LAL 18.0
13. Tim Duncan ▪ SAS 17.9
14. Greg Monroe ▪ DET 17.9
15. Enes Kanter ▪ TOT 17.6
16. Luis Scola ▪ IND 17.5
17. Kenneth Faried ▪ DEN 17.3
18. Tristan Thompson ▪ CLE 17.2
19. Joakim Noah ▪ CHI 17.1
Defensive Rating
1. Kawhi Leonard ▪ SAS 96.4
2. Andrew Bogut ▪ GSW 96.8
3. Tim Duncan ▪ SAS 96.9
4. Draymond Green ▪ GSW 97.2
5. Rudy Gobert ▪ UTA 98.0
6. Tony Allen ▪ MEM 98.2
7. DeAndre Jordan ▪ LAC 98.5
8. Nerlens Noel ▪ PHI 99.2
9. Paul Millsap ▪ ATL 99.2
10. Marc Gasol ▪ MEM 99.6
11. Andre Drummond ▪ DET 100.0
12. Anthony Davis ▪ NOP 100.2
13. Marcin Gortat ▪ WAS 100.3
14. Al Jefferson ▪ CHO 100.3
15. Zaza Pachulia ▪ MIL 100.4
16. Danny Green ▪ SAS 100.5
17. Roy Hibbert ▪ IND 100.6
18. Zach Randolph ▪ MEM 100.6
19. Pau Gasol ▪ CHI 100.6
20. Luis Scola ▪ IND 100.8
Defensive Box Plus/Minus
1. Andrew Bogut ▪ GSW 5.5
2. Rudy Gobert ▪ UTA 5.1
3. Tim Duncan ▪ SAS 4.7
4. Nerlens Noel ▪ PHI 4.5
5. Draymond Green ▪ GSW 4.0
6. Tony Allen ▪ MEM 3.7
7. Joakim Noah ▪ CHI 3.6
8. Marc Gasol ▪ MEM 3.5
9. Kawhi Leonard ▪ SAS 3.5
10. DeMarcus Cousins ▪ SAC 3.3
11. DeAndre Jordan ▪ LAC 3.2
12. Anthony Davis ▪ NOP 3.0
13. Josh Smith ▪ TOT 2.6
14. Paul Millsap ▪ ATL 2.6
15. Nicolas Batum ▪ POR 2.6
16. Al Horford ▪ ATL 2.5
17. David West ▪ IND 2.4
18. Gorgui Dieng ▪ MIN 2.4
19. Tyson Chandler ▪ DAL 2.3
20. Marcin Gortat ▪ WAS 2.3
This was written before he got hurt, and judging by the minutes they are bringing lopez along gradually. I would take a wait and see attitude towards his value to the team.
Are we properly appreciating Robin Lopez?Brook Lopez, Robin’s twin brother, is the All-Star of the family and often stands out as the better basketball player. Brook is a key cog for and arguably the best player on the Brooklyn Nets and scores around 20 points per game for them each season. Robin, on the other hand, has posted modest scoring averages just above 11 points per contest the last two seasons (the only times in his six-year career he’s scored in double-digits) and is considered by many to be the fifth best player on the Portland Trail Blazers, behind LaMarcus Aldridge, Damian Lillard, Nicolas Batum, and Wesley Matthews.
Robin and his big hair have bounced around from Phoenix, to New Orleans, and finally to Portland over the last few years and he could easily be mistaken for a role playing journeyman. A closer look at his numbers, however, suggests that he might be one of the most important centers in the whole Association.
Wipe that incredulous look off your face and take a look.
On Offense
According to Basketball Reference, Robin’s 128.1 offensive rating was the best in the entire NBA last season, beating out guys like Chris Paul and Kevin Durant. Having a better offensive rating doesn’t suggest that Lopez is more offensively gifted than CP3 or KD (don’t be absurd), just that he produced more points per individual possession than they did. Considering Lopez only had a 14.0% usage rate and rarely had the undivided attention of opposing defenses, his path to efficiency was easier, but no less impressive.
Lopez finished seventh in the whole league in field goal percentage (55.1%) and second among centers in free throw percentage (81.8%). That combination of efficient scoring from the field and skill from the line helped him finish eighth in the league in true shooting percentage (weighted twos, threes, and free throws) at 60.5%. He may not have scored a ton of points, but he was a reliable option when called upon on offense.
One of his most important skills on the offensive end for the Blazers, though, was his ability to grab offensive rebounds. He was second in the league in offensive boards per game at 4.0, trailing only Andre Drummond at 5.4. His offensive rebound percentage of 13.6% was fourth in the league, while his 326 total offensive rebounds placed him third. He also scored 278 second-chance points off those offensive boards, the eighth-highest total in the NBA.
On Defense
The Blazers were consistently dismissed as true contenders last season because of their mediocre defense, but Robin Lopez did absolutely all he could on that end to change the narrative. Portland finished 16th in the league with a defensive rating of 104.7 (points allowed per 100 possessions), the third worst among playoff teams behind the Dallas Mavericks and the Brooklyn Nets. They were much better, however, with Lopez on the floor (103.7, which would have finished 13th comparatively) than when he was off (106.6, 24th).
Notably, Lopez’s defensive rebounding numbers didn’t quite match up with the way he crashed the boards on the offensive end, with his 4.6 defensive boards per game representing one of the lowest averages among starting centers in the league. This is somewhat understandable, however, when you consider how much time he had to spend defending the rim for Portland instead of getting into good rebounding position.
The 10.3 shots that Lopez faced at the rim per game last season is tied with DeAndre Jordan for the most in the whole NBA. RoLo not only swatted away 1.7 shots per game (eighth in the Association), but he also held a ridiculously low rim protection rate of 42.5%.
Of all players that faced at least 4 shots within five feet of the basket last year, only Bismack Biyombo (38.8%) and Roy Hibbert (41.4%) fared better. Lopez didn’t get a single All-Defensive Team vote last year - Defensive Player of the Year Joakim Noah and Hibbert were obvious and deserving choices - but perhaps he would've been considered right there with DeAndre Jordan and Andre Drummond as part of the next tier if an All-Defensive Third Team had been selected.
All-Encompassing Numbers
If you look at the list of the top 20 win share totals from last season, you will find 14 NBA All-Stars and five other players that received All-NBA votes at the end of the year. The one outlier in the group, coming in at 19th, was none other than Robin Lopez. In fact, his 9.5 win shares last year was just shy of teammate Damian Lillard’s 9.6 and more than LaMarcus Aldridge’s 7.5.
Lopez played and started in all 82 games for Portland in 2013-14, so that probably gave him a boost in something cumulative like win shares, right? Well, his rate of 0.176 win shares per 48 minutes was actually the best mark of any Blazer last season and placed him once again at 19th overall in the whole NBA.
If win shares is not your “one number” statistic of choice, our own nERD metric was an even bigger RoLo fan. Robin’s nERD of 8.4 - which indicates that a league-average team would finish roughly 8.4 games above .500 with Lopez as a starter - was the best score on the Blazers. What’s more, it ranked him 18th in the whole league and third among centers.
Robin Lopez might not be garnering any All-Star votes anytime soon, but the role he plays for the Portland Trail Blazers on both ends of the floor is crucial to their success. He is a perfect complement to LaMarcus Aldridge up front (the Blazers had a net rating of 8.8 when the two were on the floor together last season) and he brings a number of intangibles to a starting lineup filled with flashy skill sets. If the Blazers hope to repeat their successful run from last season, Robin Lopez will be a big part of it.
We might still be under-appreciating “the other Lopez brother”, but the numbers have clearly taken notice of his value. Perhaps it’s time that we do too.
11/7/2015 6:02 PM