Finestrg wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Yeah, if Fisher waits much longer he is going to hear it bigtime at the Garden.
Man, our starting guards are just sad.

I really really wish we had kept that Shved cat. What a waste to let him slide. Would have done the stretch on Calderon and hired Sasha as an assistant.
If Shved was here I bet we have 2 more wins.

Big +1 on keeping Shved. Berman confirmed the other day toward the end of one of his articles that Shved was willing to take the $2.8mm exception. Wasn't like he bolted on us for Russia like some speculated--his first choice was to resign here. CONFIRMED by a beat writer who covers the team. I actually think Phil got pissed at him for not adding any weight/strength in the offseason, something he asked him to do in his exit interview. Only when Phil wouldn't budge off a vet min. offer did Shved opt for Russia...I actually like Seraphin as a player (does he really fit here though? I mean if we're not gonna really use him...) but I think Shved would've been the better fit and would've finished off that backcourt. We really miss him.

Finestrg wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Yeah, if Fisher waits much longer he is going to hear it bigtime at the Garden.
Man, our starting guards are just sad.

I really really wish we had kept that Shved cat. What a waste to let him slide. Would have done the stretch on Calderon and hired Sasha as an assistant.
If Shved was here I bet we have 2 more wins.

Big +1 on keeping Shved. Berman confirmed the other day toward the end of one of his articles that Shved was willing to take the $2.8mm exception. Wasn't like he bolted on us for Russia like some speculated--his first choice was to resign here. CONFIRMED by a beat writer who covers the team. I actually think Phil got pissed at him for not adding any weight/strength in the offseason, something he asked him to do in his exit interview. Only when Phil wouldn't budge off a vet min. offer did Shved opt for Russia...I actually like Seraphin as a player (does he really fit here though? I mean if we're not gonna really use him...) but I think Shved would've been the better fit and would've finished off that backcourt. We really miss him.

If you could have anticipated that KP and KOQ would be as effective as they have been, maybe Phil would not have gone after Seraphin.

As thin as Shved is, he is still a better defender than Calderon and goes to the basket infinitely better than him.

WaltLongmire wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Fisher gave Calderon and Sasha plenty of rope and they have effectively hung themselves with their play. I see effort but not execution. Don't believe Grant taking it to the rim is an issue anymore. His shooting still is but at least we would be getting a playmaker at PG and it gives KP and Grant more PT together. Only shown glimpses of what they can do as a tandem, but its very encouraging.

Maybe the Bucks' game will be a blessing in disguise...hard for anyone to support keeping them in at this point.

Grant needs to become comfortable out there...you still see a lot of hesitancy. Despite this fact, at this point I would force feed him into our starting PG role, with Aflalo at SG.

Agree with the occasional hesitancy, if Grant is given the keys to the offense, Im hoping that will give him the confidence to look for his shot more.

Grant made one move last night where he turned his hips while running in transition to fake a pass drawing away a defender, then he passed to the other side. It was impressive to watch in a rookie, even after 4 years of college ball. I cant wait to see how far he can take his game.

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:When your starting pitcher is getting hit inning after inning you just gotta yank him.

Jose -7
Sasha -17
combined 1-8 FGs, 2pts in 42 minutes. Not getting it done.

Gotta figure Sunday we see a change

I was telling you how bad Calderon was as a player after the trade but you and others torched me..Welcome!!..Halirious..

GustavBahler wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Fisher gave Calderon and Sasha plenty of rope and they have effectively hung themselves with their play. I see effort but not execution. Don't believe Grant taking it to the rim is an issue anymore. His shooting still is but at least we would be getting a playmaker at PG and it gives KP and Grant more PT together. Only shown glimpses of what they can do as a tandem, but its very encouraging.

Maybe the Bucks' game will be a blessing in disguise...hard for anyone to support keeping them in at this point.

Grant needs to become comfortable out there...you still see a lot of hesitancy. Despite this fact, at this point I would force feed him into our starting PG role, with Aflalo at SG.

Agree with the occasional hesitancy, if Grant is given the keys to the offense, Im hoping that will give him the confidence to look for his shot more.

Grant made one move last night where he turned his hips while running in transition to fake a pass drawing away a defender, then he passed to the other side. It was impressive to watch in a rookie, even after 4 years of college ball. I cant wait to see how far he can take his game.

See, that's the one part I'm not so sure about. There's 2 legitimate sides to this. Surrounded by Melo, KP and Afflalo he might not shoot at all and just rely on his drives to the basket for his own points. On the other hand, surrounded by those guys it may in fact give him more confidence to take more shots. It would be really interesting to see which way it goes.

herkyJerky wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:When your starting pitcher is getting hit inning after inning you just gotta yank him.

Jose -7
Sasha -17
combined 1-8 FGs, 2pts in 42 minutes. Not getting it done.

Gotta figure Sunday we see a change

I was telling you how bad Calderon was as a player after the trade but you and others torched me..Welcome!!..Halirious..

this was the player they traded for. This was the post season before the Knicks traded for him. Your telling you *knew* he would be this bad after that season? Your fulla poo, but cool on you for getting one right

Yeah his drop has been kind of alarming. I didn't expect for his tank to be full, but there was no way for anyone with any kind of honest and unbiased objectivity to think it was going to be this bad.

sorry - after last season where calderon didn't play because of 'old man injuries' I said repeatedly that you could not count on him for anything.

That was objective.

If he came back and gave you anything like he did in Dallas, that was icing on the cake- but not something anyone could reasonably count on.

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:When your starting pitcher is getting hit inning after inning you just gotta yank him.

Jose -7
Sasha -17
combined 1-8 FGs, 2pts in 42 minutes. Not getting it done.

Gotta figure Sunday we see a change

I was telling you how bad Calderon was as a player after the trade but you and others torched me..Welcome!!..Halirious..

Stop it! You couldn't possibly have known Jose would fall off this much offensively. We knew he couldn't defend but shooting...? If you could perhaps point to anything in Jose's last year in Dallas that would substantiate this I would love to see it. Nothing in his performance with Dallas suggested this kind of drop off. Sure you could just guess that his game would fully collapse but that wouldn't be based on anything but conjecture perhaps due to age that he would be this bad 6 games into the season. Both Jose and Sasha are shooting so far below what you would expect that it's shocking. Shooters don't usually drop off like that.

I would guess that Phil and Fish were thinking maybe it's a slump cuz it's so dramatic a drop off. In any event this will get resolved soon enough. I'm sure they were hoping Jose n Sasha could hold the fort a little better so that they wouldn't have to rush things. I wanted to see Jerian win the starting PG job but not this way.

Some how you have anointed yourself the protector of the realm and will stop at nothing to deceive with misinformation..You as well as everyone here knows that Calderon's offense is not nearly as damaging as his defense to the ball club...Yet you try to misdirect efforts to address the issue at hand talking about his offensive shortcoming...You should start the conversation saying "In addition to his suckness on defense"...Calderon mere presence on the court destroys the integrity of our front line on a nightly basis...And yes, we all knew this years ago...Why Phil would even think things would be different here with him advancing in age is beyond me...Calderon sucks and have always sucked...His offensive woes just add to his level of ultra suckness...Can't wait to see Fisher trot him out there again after all that we have seen...The vision I have, is of the Bucks back up PG running around with Calderon trailing a few steps behind...I just couldn't stop laughing wondering if this is a joke..Why are we letting this continue...

We all knew Jose was a poor defender but what he was able to do for his team's was play highly efficient offense and make great decisions with the ball. You're talking straight bull ish if you want us to believe you knew he would be this bad when we traded for him!!! I'm saying you're full of crap!!! People didn't like him as a player but as a transition player to hold the spot until we found a long term solution it wasn't a bad idea for Phil to bring in Jose at that time.

Phil has already found his replacement but they wanted to bring Jerian along slowly. I wanted Jerian to start this year regardless of what Jose did because I like what Jerisn brings on both ends. Sure he'll make some mistakes but I thought Jerian's positives would outweigh any mistakes. Now it seems like they will have no choice but to move either Jerian or Gallo into the SL in place of Jose. Afflalo coming back should solve the SG issue. Hopefully Afflalo can remain healthy the rest of the way.

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:When your starting pitcher is getting hit inning after inning you just gotta yank him.

Jose -7
Sasha -17
combined 1-8 FGs, 2pts in 42 minutes. Not getting it done.

Gotta figure Sunday we see a change

I was telling you how bad Calderon was as a player after the trade but you and others torched me..Welcome!!..Halirious..

this was the player they traded for. This was the post season before the Knicks traded for him. Your telling you *knew* he would be this bad after that season? Your fulla poo, but cool on you for getting one right