holfresh wrote:

blkexec wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:Probably he is in top 50 in NBA the way he plays now.
There are 2-3 players on every other NBA team who are playing better that him.
But still he is our best player.
The good question is are we better off with him or without as far as development of the team play and individual players goes?
The main goal Knicks have now is to develop the team of the future.
Is Melo helping the process?

How long have you been watching the sport of basketball?..Or have you ever played the game yourself?

Do you understand what happens when a player doesn't play for three days to a week?

LeBron is shooting 11% from the three..James Harden is shooting 16% from the three and under 30% overall..Anthony Davis looks atrocious..I can go on....U think it will remain that way?

Do you notice KP is only on the floor when Melo is out there and why is that?..Do you notice KP is usually wide open when he gets the ball and do you know why that is?

No doubt it takes time for players to get back to their top shape and game level.
My issue is what the point of this in general.
Lets assume Melo is back to his usual self 25 points on 46% and 8 rebounds playing 40+ min...
We will win 30-35 to everyone frustration.
A lot of people are talking about Melo buying in... What ithis actually means?

I think the Knicks should trade Melo...I love the NBA game..I want to see good players on good teams compete in the playoffs and ultimately the Finals...But you aren't looking at it this way, you are some how making it about Melo..Trying to imply he hurts the team which isn't true...As a Knick fan, I really didn't like watching a 17 win team..I don't want to see another 20 win team...This team without Melo is garbage...We have one legit NBA starter..ONE..What future??

Now you are talking.
For Melo sake not Knicks sake he should find himself better chance to win.
If you a fan of him you should not want him to waste the last productive years of his carrier on rebuilding team.
Taking 2 max contracts in a row and depleting the team of talent in the process wan't a smart decision on his part.
he was simply used by Dolan to make a bunch of money on his brand and rob him form greatness and championship aspirations.
Sometimes it is better to part ways for the sake of both sides.
Unfortunately Melo choose money over greatness. It was and still is his choice.

Their was and continues to be a failure of management around him to bring in players to compete...So it is better for both sides to part ways...My reluctance lie in not wanting to see bad basketball like last year...We currently don't have good players...We don't have a draft pick, so what's the point really..If anything Melo is protecting KP..U think KP is ready to have two guys running at him??..It could destroy his confidence..It's why he basically is on the court only when Melo is there...

Very well said. This is my point as well. KP needs to come along slowly and Melo helps with that. He is not ready to be "the guy" yet, and Melo keeps his development process moving at the right rate. In addition, we all know the draft pick situation, so trading him doesn't help a damn thing. We can argue it would hurt chemistry, short term success, and long term success as well if KP is put in a tough situation too soon. For better or for worse, Melo is this team's leader and ambassador for our young guys.

Playing with a guy that continues to chuck up shots, while you are wide open, doesn't help your confidence. KP is better off playing without Melo. He's better off playing with Grant and others who plays team ball. Thats when you will see KP rise even faster than what he's doing now.

You ever thought the reason he is wide open is because there a two guys constantly worried about what Melo is doing??...

Knixkik wrote:

holfresh wrote:

blkexec wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:Probably he is in top 50 in NBA the way he plays now.
There are 2-3 players on every other NBA team who are playing better that him.
But still he is our best player.
The good question is are we better off with him or without as far as development of the team play and individual players goes?
The main goal Knicks have now is to develop the team of the future.
Is Melo helping the process?

How long have you been watching the sport of basketball?..Or have you ever played the game yourself?

Do you understand what happens when a player doesn't play for three days to a week?

LeBron is shooting 11% from the three..James Harden is shooting 16% from the three and under 30% overall..Anthony Davis looks atrocious..I can go on....U think it will remain that way?

Do you notice KP is only on the floor when Melo is out there and why is that?..Do you notice KP is usually wide open when he gets the ball and do you know why that is?

No doubt it takes time for players to get back to their top shape and game level.
My issue is what the point of this in general.
Lets assume Melo is back to his usual self 25 points on 46% and 8 rebounds playing 40+ min...
We will win 30-35 to everyone frustration.
A lot of people are talking about Melo buying in... What ithis actually means?

I think the Knicks should trade Melo...I love the NBA game..I want to see good players on good teams compete in the playoffs and ultimately the Finals...But you aren't looking at it this way, you are some how making it about Melo..Trying to imply he hurts the team which isn't true...As a Knick fan, I really didn't like watching a 17 win team..I don't want to see another 20 win team...This team without Melo is garbage...We have one legit NBA starter..ONE..What future??

Now you are talking.
For Melo sake not Knicks sake he should find himself better chance to win.
If you a fan of him you should not want him to waste the last productive years of his carrier on rebuilding team.
Taking 2 max contracts in a row and depleting the team of talent in the process wan't a smart decision on his part.
he was simply used by Dolan to make a bunch of money on his brand and rob him form greatness and championship aspirations.
Sometimes it is better to part ways for the sake of both sides.
Unfortunately Melo choose money over greatness. It was and still is his choice.

Their was and continues to be a failure of management around him to bring in players to compete...So it is better for both sides to part ways...My reluctance lie in not wanting to see bad basketball like last year...We currently don't have good players...We don't have a draft pick, so what's the point really..If anything Melo is protecting KP..U think KP is ready to have two guys running at him??..It could destroy his confidence..It's why he basically is on the court only when Melo is there...

Very well said. This is my point as well. KP needs to come along slowly and Melo helps with that. He is not ready to be "the guy" yet, and Melo keeps his development process moving at the right rate. In addition, we all know the draft pick situation, so trading him doesn't help a damn thing. We can argue it would hurt chemistry, short term success, and long term success as well if KP is put in a tough situation too soon. For better or for worse, Melo is this team's leader and ambassador for our young guys.

Playing with a guy that continues to chuck up shots, while you are wide open, doesn't help your confidence. KP is better off playing without Melo. He's better off playing with Grant and others who plays team ball. Thats when you will see KP rise even faster than what he's doing now.

You ever thought the reason he is wide open is because there a two guys constantly worried about what Melo is doing??...

+1. It is obvious to most people who really understand what they are watching without bias. Melo is not perfect, but he really opens things up for KP and will help him develop at a steady rate.

-1. You guys haven't obviously played with a chucker before.

bigbasketballs wrote:

blkexec wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

holfresh wrote:

blkexec wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:Probably he is in top 50 in NBA the way he plays now.
There are 2-3 players on every other NBA team who are playing better that him.
But still he is our best player.
The good question is are we better off with him or without as far as development of the team play and individual players goes?
The main goal Knicks have now is to develop the team of the future.
Is Melo helping the process?

How long have you been watching the sport of basketball?..Or have you ever played the game yourself?

Do you understand what happens when a player doesn't play for three days to a week?

LeBron is shooting 11% from the three..James Harden is shooting 16% from the three and under 30% overall..Anthony Davis looks atrocious..I can go on....U think it will remain that way?

Do you notice KP is only on the floor when Melo is out there and why is that?..Do you notice KP is usually wide open when he gets the ball and do you know why that is?

No doubt it takes time for players to get back to their top shape and game level.
My issue is what the point of this in general.
Lets assume Melo is back to his usual self 25 points on 46% and 8 rebounds playing 40+ min...
We will win 30-35 to everyone frustration.
A lot of people are talking about Melo buying in... What ithis actually means?

I think the Knicks should trade Melo...I love the NBA game..I want to see good players on good teams compete in the playoffs and ultimately the Finals...But you aren't looking at it this way, you are some how making it about Melo..Trying to imply he hurts the team which isn't true...As a Knick fan, I really didn't like watching a 17 win team..I don't want to see another 20 win team...This team without Melo is garbage...We have one legit NBA starter..ONE..What future??

Now you are talking.
For Melo sake not Knicks sake he should find himself better chance to win.
If you a fan of him you should not want him to waste the last productive years of his carrier on rebuilding team.
Taking 2 max contracts in a row and depleting the team of talent in the process wan't a smart decision on his part.
he was simply used by Dolan to make a bunch of money on his brand and rob him form greatness and championship aspirations.
Sometimes it is better to part ways for the sake of both sides.
Unfortunately Melo choose money over greatness. It was and still is his choice.

Their was and continues to be a failure of management around him to bring in players to compete...So it is better for both sides to part ways...My reluctance lie in not wanting to see bad basketball like last year...We currently don't have good players...We don't have a draft pick, so what's the point really..If anything Melo is protecting KP..U think KP is ready to have two guys running at him??..It could destroy his confidence..It's why he basically is on the court only when Melo is there...

Very well said. This is my point as well. KP needs to come along slowly and Melo helps with that. He is not ready to be "the guy" yet, and Melo keeps his development process moving at the right rate. In addition, we all know the draft pick situation, so trading him doesn't help a damn thing. We can argue it would hurt chemistry, short term success, and long term success as well if KP is put in a tough situation too soon. For better or for worse, Melo is this team's leader and ambassador for our young guys.

Playing with a guy that continues to chuck up shots, while you are wide open, doesn't help your confidence. KP is better off playing without Melo. He's better off playing with Grant and others who plays team ball. Thats when you will see KP rise even faster than what he's doing now.

You ever thought the reason he is wide open is because there a two guys constantly worried about what Melo is doing??...

+1. It is obvious to most people who really understand what they are watching without bias. Melo is not perfect, but he really opens things up for KP and will help him develop at a steady rate.

-1. You guys haven't obviously played with a chucker before.

I know I've never played with a chucker who was leading his team in assists...

Maybe there is something to the Mushnik story. I dont any watch TV except sports... and that I DVR through the commentary and commercials. So I dont see the constant Melo is the great MSG ads or any of that jazz, and I dont hear the haters on the talk radio, but Ive chatted a few at the gym. I dont love him as a player. He's good, really. Good enough to dominate the league for a month. Not good enough to carry a playoff team by himself. Flawed. Can play good defense, and is good on late possesions, but expends too much energy getting his shot and thats a flaw.

Plenty of flaws, but I dont get the venom. Not a bad guy, does excellent community and philanthopy work, not the best wordsmith and yaps too much but maybe Im missing something, as I only really see him playing basketball.

Its this area. People need to blame. It cant simply be the team isnt great. It has to be someones fault. Its NY, we should win every game.

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

blkexec wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:Probably he is in top 50 in NBA the way he plays now.
There are 2-3 players on every other NBA team who are playing better that him.
But still he is our best player.
The good question is are we better off with him or without as far as development of the team play and individual players goes?
The main goal Knicks have now is to develop the team of the future.
Is Melo helping the process?

How long have you been watching the sport of basketball?..Or have you ever played the game yourself?

Do you understand what happens when a player doesn't play for three days to a week?

LeBron is shooting 11% from the three..James Harden is shooting 16% from the three and under 30% overall..Anthony Davis looks atrocious..I can go on....U think it will remain that way?

Do you notice KP is only on the floor when Melo is out there and why is that?..Do you notice KP is usually wide open when he gets the ball and do you know why that is?

No doubt it takes time for players to get back to their top shape and game level.
My issue is what the point of this in general.
Lets assume Melo is back to his usual self 25 points on 46% and 8 rebounds playing 40+ min...
We will win 30-35 to everyone frustration.
A lot of people are talking about Melo buying in... What ithis actually means?

I think the Knicks should trade Melo...I love the NBA game..I want to see good players on good teams compete in the playoffs and ultimately the Finals...But you aren't looking at it this way, you are some how making it about Melo..Trying to imply he hurts the team which isn't true...As a Knick fan, I really didn't like watching a 17 win team..I don't want to see another 20 win team...This team without Melo is garbage...We have one legit NBA starter..ONE..What future??

Now you are talking.
For Melo sake not Knicks sake he should find himself better chance to win.
If you a fan of him you should not want him to waste the last productive years of his carrier on rebuilding team.
Taking 2 max contracts in a row and depleting the team of talent in the process wan't a smart decision on his part.
he was simply used by Dolan to make a bunch of money on his brand and rob him form greatness and championship aspirations.
Sometimes it is better to part ways for the sake of both sides.
Unfortunately Melo choose money over greatness. It was and still is his choice.

Their was and continues to be a failure of management around him to bring in players to compete...So it is better for both sides to part ways...My reluctance lie in not wanting to see bad basketball like last year...We currently don't have good players...We don't have a draft pick, so what's the point really..If anything Melo is protecting KP..U think KP is ready to have two guys running at him??..It could destroy his confidence..It's why he basically is on the court only when Melo is there...

Very well said. This is my point as well. KP needs to come along slowly and Melo helps with that. He is not ready to be "the guy" yet, and Melo keeps his development process moving at the right rate. In addition, we all know the draft pick situation, so trading him doesn't help a damn thing. We can argue it would hurt chemistry, short term success, and long term success as well if KP is put in a tough situation too soon. For better or for worse, Melo is this team's leader and ambassador for our young guys.

Playing with a guy that continues to chuck up shots, while you are wide open, doesn't help your confidence. KP is better off playing without Melo. He's better off playing with Grant and others who plays team ball. Thats when you will see KP rise even faster than what he's doing now.

You ever thought the reason he is wide open is because there a two guys constantly worried about what Melo is doing??...

I do not see our opponents worry too mush about Melo.
When they do like in Bucks game - they are wrong.
Any good defender can take him one on one our days.
And if they will double he is not passing out most of the time.
Melo should stop chucking early in the clock and at this stupid 3th.
Whoever is playing with him getting cold and discouraged.
You can feel the energy is draining out when he is on the court.
Why bother - just give it to Melo... and stand around.

Agreed, Wednesday night when Melo scored 5 and got 5 rebounds as the Knicks built a 10 point lead in the first 8:57, the energy was terrible….

arkrud wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

blkexec wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:Probably he is in top 50 in NBA the way he plays now.
There are 2-3 players on every other NBA team who are playing better that him.
But still he is our best player.
The good question is are we better off with him or without as far as development of the team play and individual players goes?
The main goal Knicks have now is to develop the team of the future.
Is Melo helping the process?

How long have you been watching the sport of basketball?..Or have you ever played the game yourself?

Do you understand what happens when a player doesn't play for three days to a week?

LeBron is shooting 11% from the three..James Harden is shooting 16% from the three and under 30% overall..Anthony Davis looks atrocious..I can go on....U think it will remain that way?

Do you notice KP is only on the floor when Melo is out there and why is that?..Do you notice KP is usually wide open when he gets the ball and do you know why that is?

No doubt it takes time for players to get back to their top shape and game level.
My issue is what the point of this in general.
Lets assume Melo is back to his usual self 25 points on 46% and 8 rebounds playing 40+ min...
We will win 30-35 to everyone frustration.
A lot of people are talking about Melo buying in... What ithis actually means?

I think the Knicks should trade Melo...I love the NBA game..I want to see good players on good teams compete in the playoffs and ultimately the Finals...But you aren't looking at it this way, you are some how making it about Melo..Trying to imply he hurts the team which isn't true...As a Knick fan, I really didn't like watching a 17 win team..I don't want to see another 20 win team...This team without Melo is garbage...We have one legit NBA starter..ONE..What future??

Now you are talking.
For Melo sake not Knicks sake he should find himself better chance to win.
If you a fan of him you should not want him to waste the last productive years of his carrier on rebuilding team.
Taking 2 max contracts in a row and depleting the team of talent in the process wan't a smart decision on his part.
he was simply used by Dolan to make a bunch of money on his brand and rob him form greatness and championship aspirations.
Sometimes it is better to part ways for the sake of both sides.
Unfortunately Melo choose money over greatness. It was and still is his choice.

Their was and continues to be a failure of management around him to bring in players to compete...So it is better for both sides to part ways...My reluctance lie in not wanting to see bad basketball like last year...We currently don't have good players...We don't have a draft pick, so what's the point really..If anything Melo is protecting KP..U think KP is ready to have two guys running at him??..It could destroy his confidence..It's why he basically is on the court only when Melo is there...

Very well said. This is my point as well. KP needs to come along slowly and Melo helps with that. He is not ready to be "the guy" yet, and Melo keeps his development process moving at the right rate. In addition, we all know the draft pick situation, so trading him doesn't help a damn thing. We can argue it would hurt chemistry, short term success, and long term success as well if KP is put in a tough situation too soon. For better or for worse, Melo is this team's leader and ambassador for our young guys.

Playing with a guy that continues to chuck up shots, while you are wide open, doesn't help your confidence. KP is better off playing without Melo. He's better off playing with Grant and others who plays team ball. Thats when you will see KP rise even faster than what he's doing now.

You ever thought the reason he is wide open is because there a two guys constantly worried about what Melo is doing??...

I do not see our opponents worry too mush about Melo.
When they do like in Bucks game - they are wrong.
Any good defender can take him one on one our days.
And if they will double he is not passing out most of the time.
Melo should stop chucking early in the clock and at this stupid 3th.
Whoever is playing with him getting cold and discouraged.
You can feel the energy is draining out when he is on the court.
Why bother - just give it to Melo... and stand around.

Agreed, Wednesday night when Melo scored 5 and got 5 rebounds as the Knicks built a 10 point lead in the first 8:57, the energy was terrible….

Exactly - this was Melo best game so far.
He need to be one of the team not all-alone.
But not many people can reinvent themselves.
It's hard.

For sure, much better than than Washington game.

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

blkexec wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:Probably he is in top 50 in NBA the way he plays now.
There are 2-3 players on every other NBA team who are playing better that him.
But still he is our best player.
The good question is are we better off with him or without as far as development of the team play and individual players goes?
The main goal Knicks have now is to develop the team of the future.
Is Melo helping the process?

How long have you been watching the sport of basketball?..Or have you ever played the game yourself?

Do you understand what happens when a player doesn't play for three days to a week?

LeBron is shooting 11% from the three..James Harden is shooting 16% from the three and under 30% overall..Anthony Davis looks atrocious..I can go on....U think it will remain that way?

Do you notice KP is only on the floor when Melo is out there and why is that?..Do you notice KP is usually wide open when he gets the ball and do you know why that is?

No doubt it takes time for players to get back to their top shape and game level.
My issue is what the point of this in general.
Lets assume Melo is back to his usual self 25 points on 46% and 8 rebounds playing 40+ min...
We will win 30-35 to everyone frustration.
A lot of people are talking about Melo buying in... What ithis actually means?

I think the Knicks should trade Melo...I love the NBA game..I want to see good players on good teams compete in the playoffs and ultimately the Finals...But you aren't looking at it this way, you are some how making it about Melo..Trying to imply he hurts the team which isn't true...As a Knick fan, I really didn't like watching a 17 win team..I don't want to see another 20 win team...This team without Melo is garbage...We have one legit NBA starter..ONE..What future??

Now you are talking.
For Melo sake not Knicks sake he should find himself better chance to win.
If you a fan of him you should not want him to waste the last productive years of his carrier on rebuilding team.
Taking 2 max contracts in a row and depleting the team of talent in the process wan't a smart decision on his part.
he was simply used by Dolan to make a bunch of money on his brand and rob him form greatness and championship aspirations.
Sometimes it is better to part ways for the sake of both sides.
Unfortunately Melo choose money over greatness. It was and still is his choice.

Their was and continues to be a failure of management around him to bring in players to compete...So it is better for both sides to part ways...My reluctance lie in not wanting to see bad basketball like last year...We currently don't have good players...We don't have a draft pick, so what's the point really..If anything Melo is protecting KP..U think KP is ready to have two guys running at him??..It could destroy his confidence..It's why he basically is on the court only when Melo is there...

Very well said. This is my point as well. KP needs to come along slowly and Melo helps with that. He is not ready to be "the guy" yet, and Melo keeps his development process moving at the right rate. In addition, we all know the draft pick situation, so trading him doesn't help a damn thing. We can argue it would hurt chemistry, short term success, and long term success as well if KP is put in a tough situation too soon. For better or for worse, Melo is this team's leader and ambassador for our young guys.

Playing with a guy that continues to chuck up shots, while you are wide open, doesn't help your confidence. KP is better off playing without Melo. He's better off playing with Grant and others who plays team ball. Thats when you will see KP rise even faster than what he's doing now.

You ever thought the reason he is wide open is because there a two guys constantly worried about what Melo is doing??...

I do not see our opponents worry too mush about Melo.
When they do like in Bucks game - they are wrong.
Any good defender can take him one on one our days.
And if they will double he is not passing out most of the time.
Melo should stop chucking early in the clock and at this stupid 3th.
Whoever is playing with him getting cold and discouraged.
You can feel the energy is draining out when he is on the court.
Why bother - just give it to Melo... and stand around.

If you can't see the attention Melo gets on the offensive then you don't understnsd what you are look at..Especially in this game..

KP6 already is our best 2 way player and it's not even close.

holfresh wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:I think porzingis has become our most important player already. He rebounds,defends,and scores when he gets some touches. They need to run more plays for him

Well they currently don't run any plays for him..He freelances much like Landry Fields did as a rookie..They should run plays for him and make him the focus..

He is able to put the effort he does on defense and rebounding because he doesn't have to be the offensive focus either. I don't think he has the stamina yet to do both.

holfresh wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:I think porzingis has become our most important player already. He rebounds,defends,and scores when he gets some touches. They need to run more plays for him

Well they currently don't run any plays for him..He freelances much like Landry Fields did as a rookie..They should run plays for him and make him the focus..

Dude gets a lot of touches outside of his put backs honetsly. It's hard to tell with the amount of playing time he gets but his usg rate is pretty high for a rookie. Dude is averaging 16 FGA per/36. Also, keep in mind this is him being passive and not shooting some wide open shots.

dk7th wrote:
if he doesn't buy in then the team will not be a .500 team.

+1 - Ithink he has bought in. Time will tell. Ups and downs early. If he doesn't we will absolutely lose. There are moments of forced shots but they are also creating that situations with some of the lineups they put out there with him. Hopefully Affalo can stay healthy so we can make a true assessment. He has moved the ball a lot more than in previous seasons with the Knicks and we are just getting started. Hopefully by mid-Dec Jose and Sasha will be buried on the bench.