dk7th wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:What did I say wrong? If the guy has no legs, rest up and come back when you do right?

He's hurting the team the same way Kobe hurts the Lakers playing with no legs.

Speaking of Kobe:

You get your legs back by playing at game speed. It takes time. Resting doesn't solve the issue. If you lift once and are sore the next day, do you stop lifting until you are no longer sore? I can tell you don't play or never really have played organized basketball by these comments.

How many more games do the Knicks have to endure of this poor play then?

Will he starting hitting shots finally when they're too far out of contention?

Signed through 2018=19. Potentially up to 324 more, including 78 this season.

I'll ask again in what universe do you envision the NY Knicks sitting Carmelo Anthony and is this forum the Stargate to that universe?

the way you get the most out of him is twofold: (1)you put a cap on his minutes of 30-32 max. let him play hard and never coast. he gets, winded he sits. his conditioning has always an issue as it is. (2)and you (fisher) yank him when he takes two bad shots in a row by calling a face-saving timeout. he does that often enough. play hard but learn how to play smart and change behavior patterns. you do that by sitting him. maybe he will get the message and tighten up his game, which is not tight at all.

C'mon! This is the 124 million dollar stallion being coached by a nobody. The day he sits him after to bad shots would be his last day.

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:What did I say wrong? If the guy has no legs, rest up and come back when you do right?

He's hurting the team the same way Kobe hurts the Lakers playing with no legs.

Speaking of Kobe:

You get your legs back by playing at game speed. It takes time. Resting doesn't solve the issue. If you lift once and are sore the next day, do you stop lifting until you are no longer sore? I can tell you don't play or never really have played organized basketball by these comments.

How many more games do the Knicks have to endure of this poor play then?

Will he starting hitting shots finally when they're too far out of contention?

Signed through 2018=19. Potentially up to 324 more, including 78 this season.

I'll ask again in what universe do you envision the NY Knicks sitting Carmelo Anthony and is this forum the Stargate to that universe?

the way you get the most out of him is twofold: (1)you put a cap on his minutes of 30-32 max. let him play hard and never coast. he gets, winded he sits. his conditioning has always an issue as it is. (2)and you (fisher) yank him when he takes two bad shots in a row by calling a face-saving timeout. he does that often enough. play hard but learn how to play smart and change behavior patterns. you do that by sitting him. maybe he will get the message and tighten up his game, which is not tight at all.

C'mon! This is the 124 million dollar stallion being coached by a nobody. The day he sits him after to bad shots would be his last day.

fisher is a sophomore coach but as a player he has several rings. does that not count for something?

dk7th wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

dk7th wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:What did I say wrong? If the guy has no legs, rest up and come back when you do right?

He's hurting the team the same way Kobe hurts the Lakers playing with no legs.

Speaking of Kobe:

You get your legs back by playing at game speed. It takes time. Resting doesn't solve the issue. If you lift once and are sore the next day, do you stop lifting until you are no longer sore? I can tell you don't play or never really have played organized basketball by these comments.

How many more games do the Knicks have to endure of this poor play then?

Will he starting hitting shots finally when they're too far out of contention?

Signed through 2018=19. Potentially up to 324 more, including 78 this season.

I'll ask again in what universe do you envision the NY Knicks sitting Carmelo Anthony and is this forum the Stargate to that universe?

(2)and you (fisher) yank him when he takes two bad shots in a row by calling a face-saving timeout. he does that often enough. play hard but learn how to play smart and change behavior patterns. you do that by sitting him. maybe he will get the message and tighten up his game, which is not tight at all.

You KNOW that will not happen.

Again, why are fans so fixated on calling for things they know won't occur?

no i don't know it will not happen. fisher is a winner, jackson is a winner. this is melo's last chance to prove he can lead but that will require his willingness to change his approach and not be a coach killer. so it's shyt or get off the pot for him. fisher has leverage should he decide to exert it. just my humble opinion.

Still NOT going to happen and I think you DO know it.

fisher has already called at least one timeout in the wake of melo making two bone-headed plays. i can't remember which game it was but it was towards the end of the first quarter i believe. so we have a precedent, of sorts.

No, unless he yanked him to of the game, which is ACTUALLY what you suggested, there is no precedent.

Did he?

Anthony is playing his 13th year. He is what he is at this stage. Winning and offensive execution goes a long way in this case. When things are flowing well, Melo will go with the flow. When thing are going bad, Melo is going to revert to old habits and dare I say, so will his teammates. The trick at this stage is to gather enough talent and get the team to buy in so the good nights outnumber the bad.

Anyone who thinks a strategy of shaming a 13 year veteran who whether you happen to agree or not is respected by his peers is going to elevate the Knicks franchise around the league, I just don't know what you're thinking about other than petulance.

bigbasketballs wrote:

dk7th wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

dk7th wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:What did I say wrong? If the guy has no legs, rest up and come back when you do right?

He's hurting the team the same way Kobe hurts the Lakers playing with no legs.

Speaking of Kobe:

You get your legs back by playing at game speed. It takes time. Resting doesn't solve the issue. If you lift once and are sore the next day, do you stop lifting until you are no longer sore? I can tell you don't play or never really have played organized basketball by these comments.

How many more games do the Knicks have to endure of this poor play then?

Will he starting hitting shots finally when they're too far out of contention?

Signed through 2018=19. Potentially up to 324 more, including 78 this season.

I'll ask again in what universe do you envision the NY Knicks sitting Carmelo Anthony and is this forum the Stargate to that universe?

(2)and you (fisher) yank him when he takes two bad shots in a row by calling a face-saving timeout. he does that often enough. play hard but learn how to play smart and change behavior patterns. you do that by sitting him. maybe he will get the message and tighten up his game, which is not tight at all.

You KNOW that will not happen.

Again, why are fans so fixated on calling for things they know won't occur?

no i don't know it will not happen. fisher is a winner, jackson is a winner. this is melo's last chance to prove he can lead but that will require his willingness to change his approach and not be a coach killer. so it's shyt or get off the pot for him. fisher has leverage should he decide to exert it. just my humble opinion.

Still NOT going to happen and I think you DO know it.

fisher has already called at least one timeout in the wake of melo making two bone-headed plays. i can't remember which game it was but it was towards the end of the first quarter i believe. so we have a precedent, of sorts.

No, unless he yanked him to of the game, which is ACTUALLY what you suggested, there is no precedent.

Did he?

Anthony is playing his 13th year. He is what he is at this stage. Winning and offensive execution goes a long way in this case. When things are flowing well, Melo will go with the flow. When thing are going bad, Melo is going to revert to old habits and dare I say, so will his teammates. The trick at this stage is to gather enough talent and get the team to buy in so the good nights outnumber the bad.

Anyone who thinks a strategy of shaming a 13 year veteran who whether you happen to agree or not is respected by his peers is going to elevate the Knicks franchise around the league, I just don't know what you're thinking about other than petulance.

i'll see your shaming and petulance and raise you resignation and cynicism.

seriously though, it's all a game to me, ie seeing how fisher and jackson deal with melo and vice-versa... because i don't foresee any significant achievement while melo as a starter on the knicks anyway.

i have them down for 34 wins this year, how about you?

[EDIT} never mind you have them at 41 wins or so.

bigbasketballs wrote:

foosballnick wrote:Starting to get really painful.....ala this board's reaction to each loss as if this was supposed to be a 50 win season. While I certainly understand the negative analysis for the Game Threads and Recaps.....the constant threads demanding changes and blasting Melo is getting really tiring already and we are only 5 games in with 2 wins LOL.

Amazing part is it's universal - to any team, any sport. The people who watch the most seem to actually comprehend the least. What all of us should know about how the game is played over SEASONS is ignored after each and every single game… and in some cases even quarters and innings.

Many different versions of this quote- I've seen "you" in place of "people" at times:

You're never as good as people think you are when you're winning and never as bad as people think you are when you're losing.

The player performance corollary to this would be that "you're never as good as your best game nor as bad as your worst."

How many times do guys around here make note of a good performance by this or that player, especially those on other teams (or so it would seem to me) who they like or wanted the Knicks to trade for/draft/sign, and then ignore their bad performance a day or two later. Same is true for those who only bring up the bad performances of someone they don't like.

5 games into an 82 game regular season. Some good, bad, and ugly play and performances so far, but there is a long time to go before we have enough evidence to declare it to be a failure or success.

The 2 week hiatus is extreme, by the way, but I did suggest in another thread that Anthony should get a day off now and then...at least until he is in better shape physically. Seems to be a smart thing to do while he is still in recovery mode.

smackeddog wrote:What gets me is that the people who constantly attack our top players (Melo is only the latest in a long line to get this treatment- Ewing, Houston etc etc), are the same people who cry when top players decide they don't want to sign with us. Would I honestly want to play for fans like them? Nope.

Boo hoo, poor players....

They never get a fair shake in life. Can't even feed their kids properly.

fishmike wrote:MAybe DK and Chuck could take a couple weeks off? Maybe longer... come back to us with something new? Just a thought.

DK's post game observations... bla bla bla Melo is weak minded bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla MElo is selfish bla bla bla bla bla bla Melo is weak between the ears bla bla bla bla bla bla MElo sucked the life out of the team bla bla bla bla bla bla I only watched the 2nd quarter.

Chuck: GREAT POST

Where's the report to moderator button? I don't see any contribution to this thread. This is blasphemy by fishmike!

Stupid troll attempt by fishmike aside, I hope Melo realizes sooner rather than later that he doesn't have to do it all this season. Hopefully when Afflalo comes, we'll see this change in him.

Not sure if he fully trusts the yoots yet, for whatever reason.

bigbasketballs wrote:

dk7th wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

dk7th wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

dk7th wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:What did I say wrong? If the guy has no legs, rest up and come back when you do right?

He's hurting the team the same way Kobe hurts the Lakers playing with no legs.

Speaking of Kobe:

You get your legs back by playing at game speed. It takes time. Resting doesn't solve the issue. If you lift once and are sore the next day, do you stop lifting until you are no longer sore? I can tell you don't play or never really have played organized basketball by these comments.

How many more games do the Knicks have to endure of this poor play then?

Will he starting hitting shots finally when they're too far out of contention?

Signed through 2018=19. Potentially up to 324 more, including 78 this season.

I'll ask again in what universe do you envision the NY Knicks sitting Carmelo Anthony and is this forum the Stargate to that universe?

(2)and you (fisher) yank him when he takes two bad shots in a row by calling a face-saving timeout. he does that often enough. play hard but learn how to play smart and change behavior patterns. you do that by sitting him. maybe he will get the message and tighten up his game, which is not tight at all.

You KNOW that will not happen.

Again, why are fans so fixated on calling for things they know won't occur?

no i don't know it will not happen. fisher is a winner, jackson is a winner. this is melo's last chance to prove he can lead but that will require his willingness to change his approach and not be a coach killer. so it's shyt or get off the pot for him. fisher has leverage should he decide to exert it. just my humble opinion.

Still NOT going to happen and I think you DO know it.

fisher has already called at least one timeout in the wake of melo making two bone-headed plays. i can't remember which game it was but it was towards the end of the first quarter i believe. so we have a precedent, of sorts.

No, unless he yanked him to of the game, which is ACTUALLY what you suggested, there is no precedent.

Did he?

Anthony is playing his 13th year. He is what he is at this stage. Winning and offensive execution goes a long way in this case. When things are flowing well, Melo will go with the flow. When thing are going bad, Melo is going to revert to old habits and dare I say, so will his teammates. The trick at this stage is to gather enough talent and get the team to buy in so the good nights outnumber the bad.

Anyone who thinks a strategy of shaming a 13 year veteran who whether you happen to agree or not is respected by his peers is going to elevate the Knicks franchise around the league, I just don't know what you're thinking about other than petulance.

i'll see your shaming and petulance and raise you resignation and cynicism.

seriously though, it's all a game to me, ie seeing how fisher and jackson deal with melo and vice-versa... because i don't foresee any significant achievement while melo as a starter on the knicks anyway.

i have them down for 34 wins this year, how about you?

[EDIT} never mind you have them at 41 wins or so.

If you had them down for 34 wins, then RIGHT NOW the Knicks are AHEAD of where you thought they'd be. 2-3 translates to 33 wins, and you won't find many 5 games stretches tougher than the one they just completed.

I don't know about optimistic, but if you had them down for losing 2 of every 5 games against the league at large, the fact they held what you define as serve for these very tough first five games SHOULD be a source of encouragement for you.

And Fisher and Jackson are going to "deal" with Melo by starting him and playing him 34-38 mins a night. I don't think anyone genuinely believes otherwise. I think any arguments suggesting "strategy" to handle Melo is strictly for internet fights only, and I think you know it.

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

dk7th wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

dk7th wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

dk7th wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:What did I say wrong? If the guy has no legs, rest up and come back when you do right?

He's hurting the team the same way Kobe hurts the Lakers playing with no legs.

Speaking of Kobe:

You get your legs back by playing at game speed. It takes time. Resting doesn't solve the issue. If you lift once and are sore the next day, do you stop lifting until you are no longer sore? I can tell you don't play or never really have played organized basketball by these comments.

How many more games do the Knicks have to endure of this poor play then?

Will he starting hitting shots finally when they're too far out of contention?

Signed through 2018=19. Potentially up to 324 more, including 78 this season.

I'll ask again in what universe do you envision the NY Knicks sitting Carmelo Anthony and is this forum the Stargate to that universe?

(2)and you (fisher) yank him when he takes two bad shots in a row by calling a face-saving timeout. he does that often enough. play hard but learn how to play smart and change behavior patterns. you do that by sitting him. maybe he will get the message and tighten up his game, which is not tight at all.

You KNOW that will not happen.

Again, why are fans so fixated on calling for things they know won't occur?

no i don't know it will not happen. fisher is a winner, jackson is a winner. this is melo's last chance to prove he can lead but that will require his willingness to change his approach and not be a coach killer. so it's shyt or get off the pot for him. fisher has leverage should he decide to exert it. just my humble opinion.

Still NOT going to happen and I think you DO know it.

fisher has already called at least one timeout in the wake of melo making two bone-headed plays. i can't remember which game it was but it was towards the end of the first quarter i believe. so we have a precedent, of sorts.

No, unless he yanked him to of the game, which is ACTUALLY what you suggested, there is no precedent.

Did he?

Anthony is playing his 13th year. He is what he is at this stage. Winning and offensive execution goes a long way in this case. When things are flowing well, Melo will go with the flow. When thing are going bad, Melo is going to revert to old habits and dare I say, so will his teammates. The trick at this stage is to gather enough talent and get the team to buy in so the good nights outnumber the bad.

Anyone who thinks a strategy of shaming a 13 year veteran who whether you happen to agree or not is respected by his peers is going to elevate the Knicks franchise around the league, I just don't know what you're thinking about other than petulance.

i'll see your shaming and petulance and raise you resignation and cynicism.

seriously though, it's all a game to me, ie seeing how fisher and jackson deal with melo and vice-versa... because i don't foresee any significant achievement while melo as a starter on the knicks anyway.

i have them down for 34 wins this year, how about you?

[EDIT} never mind you have them at 41 wins or so.

If you had them down for 34 wins, then RIGHT NOW the Knicks are AHEAD of where you thought they'd be. 2-3 translates to 33 wins, and you won't find many 5 games stretches tougher than the one they just completed.

I don't know about optimistic, but if you had them down for losing 2 of every 5 games against the league at large, the fact they held what you define as serve for these very tough first five games SHOULD be a source of encouragement for you.

And Fisher and Jackson are going to "deal" with Melo by starting him and playing him 34-38 mins a night. I don't think anyone genuinely believes otherwise. I think any arguments suggesting "strategy" to handle Melo is strictly for internet fights only, and I think you know it.

nice try... bringing logic and reason into an argument when Melo is the topic with those two posters is an exercise in futility. You MUST be new. Good post regardless and great handle. I believe DK should only address you as mr. big balls

Small balls? Playing Smello 34-38 minutes is a recipe for disaster. If he got no legs this early in the season, he'll need to be amputated at the knee by mid season.

Let's please limit our favorite no legs chucker closer to 30 minutes or less, he's 31 years old you know.

He's averaging 34 at the moment and will likely creep up from here. A few maintainence days off here and there will not effect his mins-per avg.

And so far its been a recipe for exactly what you guys expected record-wise against an inordinately tough schedule.

Again, I don't know why you guys are fixated on arguing for things you KNOW aren't going to happen. The point of it eludes me.