yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:so people are calling for dummy-Dwil to play 24.725 minutes per game, why? Cause? Perhaps our coaching staff sees something that us genius's don't see?

The same coaching staff that trots out Calderon? Maybe they do see something different. Also, if Williams played that many minutes he make rival Mudiay for most turnovers

I am torn on calderon. He is a huge problem but not much can be done at the moment. Starting grant now would be a bad idea.

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:so people are calling for dummy-Dwil to play 24.725 minutes per game, why? Cause? Perhaps our coaching staff sees something that us genius's don't see?

The same coaching staff that trots out Calderon? Maybe they do see something different. Also, if Williams played that many minutes he make rival Mudiay for most turnovers

I am torn on calderon. He is a huge problem but not much can be done at the moment. Starting grant now would be a bad idea.

Start Gallo and have Grant come in moving Gallo to the two.

Hard to justify playing him the way they now are if he does not produce.

Really wanted him to be a bridge for Grant's emergence...doesn't seem to be happening.

Have said this before-Jose needed to retool his body- try to come in like Prigs. He might have come in healthy, but he looks the same physically.

I don't think off season weight training is an option anymore...especially for older players.

Just don't think this team is good enough to carry Calderon at this point.

WaltLongmire wrote:Have not seen enough progress with Calderon. Said I would give him 5 games...5 games gone and there has been little progress.

Hard to justify playing him the way they now are if he does not produce.

Really wanted him to be a bridge for Grant's emergence...doesn't seem to be happening.

Have said this before-Jose needed to retool his body- try to come in like Prigs. He might have come in healthy, but he looks the same physically.

I don't think off season weight training is an option anymore...especially for older players.

Just don't think this team is good enough to carry Calderon at this point.

From what I have seen the best way to get anything useful from Jose is play him at SG in the 2nd unit next to Grant for 15 minutes. Basically use him as shooter off the bench

fishmike wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:Have not seen enough progress with Calderon. Said I would give him 5 games...5 games gone and there has been little progress.

Hard to justify playing him the way they now are if he does not produce.

Really wanted him to be a bridge for Grant's emergence...doesn't seem to be happening.

Have said this before-Jose needed to retool his body- try to come in like Prigs. He might have come in healthy, but he looks the same physically.

I don't think off season weight training is an option anymore...especially for older players.

Just don't think this team is good enough to carry Calderon at this point.

fisher is stuck. Cant bench him because Grant isnt ready and you need Jose still, but playing hurts just as bad. Two people that are well aware of how poorly he's played are Jose and Fisher.

From what I have seen the best way to get anything useful from Jose is play him at SG in the 2nd unit next to Grant for 15 minutes. Basically use him as shooter off the bench

you would think so (and I did to) but Jose may have turned into the worst shooter in the league.

franco12 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:d will is not playing nearly enough

We totally stop pushing the pace, which co-inside with d will and grants minutes sinking

Lopez is really not that good on both ends

KOQ..2 minutes here, 2 minutes there, 3 minutes after the half

And every big we have other than KP, holds the ball for 7 seconds or more, evident of the last 2 games which resulted in us scoring just 86 and 84 points

SOMETHING has to change back to how we played in the preseason

Did Williams sleep with Fishers GF? What gives with the drop in minutes?

He is +19 in game 1, takes 17 shots (hits 8) and gets 19 pts.

Game 2 its 18 minutes
game 3 its 15
game 4 & 5 its 10.

Someone tell Derek we don't have our first round pick, so stop trying to lose.

If Williams isn't playing the right way, then we need to play his way because it was fun and it produced.

Yeah I pretty much agree with this. Unless he comes out looking just flat out obviously awful, which he really hasn't yet, you have to give this guy a decent amount of minutes. Another case would be if the match up is obviously not favorable to him. If the plan was to force this guy to try and play in a way that he is incapable, they never should've gotten him. But, with all of that said, we're only 5 games deep. Let's see how the compromise progresses over the next 5. This better not be a case where Phil is putting pressure on Fisher because DWill isn't playing the triangle strictly and properly.

Some of our fans care so much that ridiculing players who just joined the team and demanding high level performances against some of the best teams in the NBA from a team that was pretty much unwatchable a season ago is their way of expressing it.

ChuckBuck wrote:Sorry, but if you don't change things, alot of the media and fan doubt and pressure will start creeping into the lockerroom, if it hasn't already.

The Talking heads aren't always right, but in this case, just plain as day. 34 years old, can't sink J's, can't guard his man(any man), can't even entry pass correctly(see steal and 1 man fast break dunk by Lebron last night on lazy pass to Melo).

You gotta make changes. You have to make adjustments. It's called coaching.

Pressure? Well Fish is under pressure naturally as a coach, especially after last season, but the roster is what it is. We couldn't sign big free agents for a reason.

We all know Calderon is done, but he's been a veteran starter for years, and was brought in to be just that. Do I like that he is getting all the minutes? Not really, but Galloway was an undrafted player who has not even played a full season yet. The coach has to consider the locker room over fans whining first at this point.

It will not look good to the team to yank Calderon so quickly, or bench him late in games due to his experience level, especially since Afllalo has not even played with him yet.

I said it before and I'll say it again. Our backcourt is a question mark that I am not sure will be so great, and that's why I am also not going to go nuts over how we are doing, when this team is already miles better than last year to the plain eye and record-wise, and change is not going to happen overnight.

Expectations have to be realistic, and I'm sorry if this sounds judging, but I question if some of our fans I read comments from either get this, or have the temperament to get it.

Please prove me wrong.

PresIke wrote:

Please prove me wrong.

Done.

Rk              Player  Season Age G  MP  PER  TS% 3PAr  FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG%   OWS DWS   WS  WS/48  OBPM DBPM  BPM VORP
1        Jose Calderon 2015-16  34 5 110  4.1 .379 .448 .103  0.9  6.3  3.4 15.5  1.3  0.0 14.2 13.4  -0.1 0.0 -0.1 -0.023  -2.7 -2.5 -5.1 -0.1
2    Langston Galloway 2015-16  24 5 135 19.4 .657 .472 .417  4.5 15.3  9.5 12.6  1.8  0.6  6.6 14.1   0.5 0.1  0.6   .219   5.4 -0.7  4.7  0.2

Play the best player for the job, no favoritism bullshyt.

nychamp wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nychamp wrote:Agree with the OP. Spot on, fishmike.

I look at it this way.

Were 1-3 avg under 100 since game 1. I think D Williams was a major conduit in game 1 as was Lansgton Galloway and Oquinn. Those guys all need more minutes. We play faster were playing slow with Carmelo Sasha and Calderon.

I really really believe Melo should be down at 26 minutes right now for many reasons. I think he'll play better with less minutes.

Galloway excels driving and hitting shots off ball movement but he's not good setting up the offense and making entry passes, hence I don't love him at lead guard.

Have you seen Jose set up the Knicks with precision entry passes? They're so dam good they actually award the other team points!

2-3 start, understand complexity of team chemistry takes time to gel with coaching staff with more rings than fingers and super excited about TWO rookies: