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Greg Monore is 100X better than Lopez
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gunsnewing
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11/5/2015  9:50 AM
mreinman wrote:Lopez is 1000x better defensively than monroe but who cares about defense.

a bunch of missed shots in 4 games and cue the silly threads

typical

Then why has he only averaged 24mins per game for his career?

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11/5/2015  9:51 AM
BRIGGS wrote:So if we had a chance and this is what we did--we missed in a huge way.

Another synapse, another lamenting thread.

Both teams 2-3 after 5 games. Not saying they are equal, Im just saying its just 5 games.
Most think knicks would win 30-35 games. We are on pace for that.
Milwaukee has a great young roster. They should be a playoff team.
Monroe is a better scorer than Ropez. News at 11!

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11/5/2015  9:53 AM
Well Greg will get another chance to prove it tomorrow, won't he?

Both have deficiencies obviously. Fit wise, I think we made the right call, though RoPez hasn't played lights out yet this season.

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11/5/2015  9:59 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/5/2015  10:02 AM
Jmpasq wrote:Monroe wasn’t pushing the storyline, though: He was reluctant to delve into details about his 2015 free agency, which he now views as irrelevant to the upcoming season. His agent, David Falk, told the News that all four teams that met with Monroe in free agency — including the Knicks, Lakers and Blazers — were offering max deals for any number of years desired. In the end, Falk said, the decision was centered on Milwaukee’s position as an emerging contender in the Eastern Conference.

“It wasn’t about presentation or marketing,” said Falk, the former agent for Michael Jordan, who noted that he has a good relationship with Jackson and Knicks GM Steve Mills. “It was about what Milwaukee already brought to the table.”


Can we stop with the narrative the Knicks didn't try to sign him. They offered a max deal, the guy didnt want to play in NY. I'm not surprised really, why would u willingly sign up for this crap

Yea this is why you can't kill the Knicks. It wasn't their choice to make so in that sense Briggs is completely off base starting these threads knowing that Monroe did not want to be here. Probably for good reason. The Knicks have been a laughingstock organization for 15yrs. Besides why would Monroe want to be miserable for the rest of his career playing with Carmelo?

It's funny though. I really wanted the Monroe & Towns frontcourt. Monroe & KP would've been great but I exerted so much energy and aggravation trying to convince people like Briggs that last Monroe was. 25yr old 16&10 player on the uptick but he wanted nothing to do with him. Now he starts this thread. Go figure lol

Briggs was dead set on OK4 at the 5. What a disaster that would've become. No KP, no rim protector. It would've been as bad as the Isiah/Eddy Curry Knicks.

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11/5/2015  10:11 AM
clyde said it in game one. Knicks are much better off with Rolo. The knicks need teamwork and defense.
so here is what phil is thinking ....
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11/5/2015  10:22 AM
One has to always consider the facts in front of you at the moment you make a decisions and the time in which to make it.
Monroe is a better player than Lopez certainly offensively. When was this ever in dispute.

How bad did we want him? Im not sure. Its been said Falk is in good standing with Phil and perhaps knicks had an interest, or knicks were also helping Falks client get a max deal as well. Having your opponent in the east pay top dollar is never a bad thing.
Its also been written that Lopez was Bucks second choice if Monroe went elsewhere. Monroe did not sign with LA who with Randle and Russell would have made a nice young core.
Not everyone is comfortable living in NY with the intense media either.

Briggs can voice his opinion just like anyone else. Its apparent thus far in the early season one of our more respected posters is more impulsive than ever responding to losses.

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11/5/2015  10:26 AM
I was going to create a Lopez is a dud thread but I will just use this.

He isn't cutting it. Maybe he can do some nice things here and there but he isn't productive enough and produces at the rate of a 18min bench player. We need an upgrade at the starting center position. KP is going to have to basically become KG/Dirk/Gasol PF/C.

Dieng from the Wolves is now being underused since they have Towns and they want to space the floor with a stretch 4 rather then go big with Towns and Dieng.

We need to get him before Dallas Mavericks do what they do and make a trade for him. His skill set is perfect for the triangle.

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11/5/2015  11:02 AM
mreinman wrote:clyde said it in game one. Knicks are much better off with Rolo. The knicks need teamwork and defense.
Monroe is good, but he doesnt defend at all. He filled the stat sheet out nicely in the first game and had ZERO impact at all. Overall Monroe is better NBA player. Not sure he's a better fit. I like Monroe + KP in the offseason. I think I like KP+Lopez+KOQ better for fit and value as that is what we got. Rolo puts up too many shots he clearly practices against Brook, but dont work against real NBA players. But yes.. he's a teamwork defense guy and I like what he adds. We did just fine
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11/5/2015  11:17 AM
newyorknewyork wrote:I was going to create a Lopez is a dud thread but I will just use this.

He isn't cutting it. Maybe he can do some nice things here and there but he isn't productive enough and produces at the rate of a 18min bench player. We need an upgrade at the starting center position. KP is going to have to basically become KG/Dirk/Gasol PF/C.

Dieng from the Wolves is now being underused since they have Towns and they want to space the floor with a stretch 4 rather then go big with Towns and Dieng.

We need to get him before Dallas Mavericks do what they do and make a trade for him. His skill set is perfect for the triangle.

Lopez was the upgrade.
Not sure what some were expecting other than some think for the money we should be getting more.
The kid is no star and never will be. He is an average center who plays a lot of games, rebounds and defends the rim.
Might not like the price tag he got, but that's market rate in this time and place.

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11/5/2015  11:33 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/5/2015  11:55 AM
KP is already projecting to be a great defende/rim protector but both he and Lopez lack the width and strength to defend NBA PF/C's. This frontcourt is far from the twin tower frontcourts of Duncan/DRob & Gasol/Bynum. KP is fine but Lolez is not the best fit next to him. I much rather have a guy like Monroe next to KP. Or just start KOQ for Lopez. It sucks that we paid gave Lopez 4yrs @ $14mil per but it is what it is. Even if Monroe is an average defender he would be a better fit next to KP. Or someone like Monroe. Maybe KOQ
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11/5/2015  11:45 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/5/2015  11:46 AM
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11/5/2015  11:48 AM
there is absolutely nothing on the basketball court that greg monroe is 100X better than lopez. lopez has played crappy, but can we give guys more than 5 games? christ. monroe is not a difference-maker, he's a nice player, has some offensive game but the dude is allergic to defense and we've already seen enough of that around here. lopez will be fine.
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11/5/2015  11:52 AM
Starting turnstiles like Calderon & Sasha makes our front court look even worst
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11/5/2015  11:54 AM
gunsnewing wrote:Starting turnstiles like Calderon & Sasha makes our front court look even worst

we all know that sasha is not going to be a starter much longer. he's a decent shooter off the bench and he will go back to that role once afflalo comes back. afflalo can D up and will help the front-court once he comes back, until then you make-do with what you have.

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11/5/2015  11:55 AM
gunsnewing wrote:Starting turnstiles like Calderon & Sasha makes our front court look even worst
imagine adding Monroe to that. I was open to him coming here, he's good but he's also the ultimate turnstile. Monroe makes Amare look like an active defender.
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11/5/2015  12:01 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/5/2015  12:04 PM
At least Monroe give you balance scoring in the front court and easy baskets. KP would help mask a PF who is an average defender.
Min stead we have Lopez/KP getting manhandled, no rebounding and no easy baskets. Just jacking long range bricks. Like when we had Tyson/Kmart up front
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11/5/2015  12:07 PM
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mreinman wrote:clyde said it in game one. Knicks are much better off with Rolo. The knicks need teamwork and defense.
Monroe is good, but he doesnt defend at all. He filled the stat sheet out nicely in the first game and had ZERO impact at all. Overall Monroe is better NBA player. Not sure he's a better fit. I like Monroe + KP in the offseason. I think I like KP+Lopez+KOQ better for fit and value as that is what we got. Rolo puts up too many shots he clearly practices against Brook, but dont work against real NBA players. But yes.. he's a teamwork defense guy and I like what he adds. We did just fine

he did have good stats against us yet we destroyed them in the paint and he was worse than a sieve. He was terrible.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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11/5/2015  12:10 PM
gunsnewing wrote:At least Monroe give you balance scoring in the front court and easy baskets. KP would help mask a PF who is an average defender
Monroe played next to a defensive star who didnt help mask anything. Is KP going to be a better cover for Monroe than Drummand?

http://www.82games.com/1415/14DET19.HTM

Take a look... Monroe is a negative sum player. Yes, he's got a nice offensive skill set, but whoever he guards lights it up. Everynight.

Monroe had 22pts, 14rebs, 4assists, 2steals and 2blocks vs. the Knicks. Did you see the game? We scored 120. The guy is a lampost. People are bitching we arent getting any fast break points. The real problem is we arent playing against Greg Monroe every night.

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11/5/2015  12:12 PM
mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:clyde said it in game one. Knicks are much better off with Rolo. The knicks need teamwork and defense.
Monroe is good, but he doesnt defend at all. He filled the stat sheet out nicely in the first game and had ZERO impact at all. Overall Monroe is better NBA player. Not sure he's a better fit. I like Monroe + KP in the offseason. I think I like KP+Lopez+KOQ better for fit and value as that is what we got. Rolo puts up too many shots he clearly practices against Brook, but dont work against real NBA players. But yes.. he's a teamwork defense guy and I like what he adds. We did just fine

he did have good stats against us yet we destroyed them in the paint and he was worse than a sieve. He was terrible.

yup! You beat me to it. Good stats does not always = good play.
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11/5/2015  12:28 PM
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:clyde said it in game one. Knicks are much better off with Rolo. The knicks need teamwork and defense.
Monroe is good, but he doesnt defend at all. He filled the stat sheet out nicely in the first game and had ZERO impact at all. Overall Monroe is better NBA player. Not sure he's a better fit. I like Monroe + KP in the offseason. I think I like KP+Lopez+KOQ better for fit and value as that is what we got. Rolo puts up too many shots he clearly practices against Brook, but dont work against real NBA players. But yes.. he's a teamwork defense guy and I like what he adds. We did just fine

he did have good stats against us yet we destroyed them in the paint and he was worse than a sieve. He was terrible.

yup! You beat me to it. Good stats does not always = good play.

I love stats but as you can see, I really heavily on the eye test as well.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
Greg Monore is 100X better than Lopez

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