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Now that we have seen a few games, as if it wasn't clear before, we know sky is the limit. How good do you actually see him becoming? Less assume (and hope) he is a Knick his entire career.
Top 10-15 player in his prime (8+ all-star appearances, All-nba, possible all-nba defense multiple years)
Borderline Franchise Player (maybe 5 to 8 All-star appearances, top 30 player, possibly all-nba and all-defense a couple times)
All-Star (earns all-star bids on his best years, but under 5 times, has a few great years, but is productive all years)
Starter (inconsistency, media circus, coaching changes, and nagging injuries prevent him from being a star)
Out of the League (needed to put this, hopefully no one votes it)
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fishmike
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11/5/2015  12:02 PM
I didnt vote... KP's potential will be based on his health. If he stays healthy he can be a franchise all time player. The skil set, work ethic, talent, phyiscal tools... its all there. Just gotta stay on the court. He's got a unique body type. I dont want him at the 5. He should follow Kevin Garnett's game IMO
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11/5/2015  1:18 PM
Nalod wrote:As long as Melo is around, KP is susceptible to morphing into Bargnani like play?

Uhhhh, I have seen no evidence of that yet.

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11/5/2015  1:44 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/5/2015  1:45 PM
fishmike wrote:I didnt vote... KP's potential will be based on his health. If he stays healthy he can be a franchise all time player. The skil set, work ethic, talent, phyiscal tools... its all there. Just gotta stay on the court. He's got a unique body type. I dont want him at the 5. He should follow Kevin Garnett's game IMO


I know that the Triangle is different in how certain players are used, but it seems to me that eventually he'll be best at the 5. Less movement around the court...more opportunity to come into play on D as he gets to patrol the interior. Why have him worry about closing out on stretch 4s like Love all the time? How much of his energy is now expended on worry about the middle and they having to run out to cover a guy looking to take a 3?

Depends on how his body matures, of course, but he's held his own so far, despite his physical maturity at age 20. No reason he won't mature into a guy who can play the 5.

Good game in the post means passing opportunities on double teams, and he has the shooting ability to give less mobile centers a lot of trouble from the outside.

Have to admit, though...It was fun watching him on the perimeter in a 1/1 situation with James, who then punked out and took the extra long top of the key 3 instead of challenging KP 1/1.

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11/5/2015  2:35 PM
herkyJerky wrote:
Nalod wrote:As long as Melo is around, KP is susceptible to morphing into Bargnani like play?

Uhhhh, I have seen no evidence of that yet.

I was kidding.
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11/5/2015  2:46 PM
Let's ask this kid

or his dad?
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11/5/2015  2:52 PM
NYKBocker wrote:Let's ask this kid

or his dad?


It will always be natural for the average fan, and young fans especially, to disprove of a lesser-known player. International players tend to be that. Only hardcore fans with extensive basketball knowledge and ability to form their own opinion of a player they have not seen in live action based on scouting reports will possibly approve of this type of pick. Generally speaking, most in this forum will do their homework, but most fans in general won't put in the effort.
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11/5/2015  3:01 PM
KP is a transcendent player, even as a neophyte. The team is totally different with him in the game even this early in his career.
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11/5/2015  3:02 PM
Knixkik wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:Let's ask this kid

or his dad?


It will always be natural for the average fan, and young fans especially, to disprove of a lesser-known player. International players tend to be that. Only hardcore fans with extensive basketball knowledge and ability to form their own opinion of a player they have not seen in live action based on scouting reports will possibly approve of this type of pick. Generally speaking, most in this forum will do their homework, but most fans in general won't put in the effort.

My fear is it will be "natural" to selfie your reaction to post on YouTube and/or watch yourself.
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11/5/2015  3:11 PM
Any way for someone to interview those two now...especially the little selfie-boy?

Should they be allowed to cheer for Kristaps if they are at a game and he does something good on the court?

They got their 15 minutes of fame...now they might have to live through a lifetime of being identified as fools.

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11/5/2015  3:32 PM
They boy might have some emotional "issues" and taking his cue from his father?
The boy gets a pass. The man, not a chance.

Lets be fair, this is the highest pick we have had in 30 years!
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11/5/2015  3:36 PM
nixluva wrote:
TPercy wrote:With Fisher as his coach? Doubt he will reach his full potential.

What has Fish done to hamper this kid so far? I think Fish showed courage starting KP when many didn't think the kid should start!!! Or do we just forget all that now that the kid is showing so much improvement this early?


He has gotten a lot better from what I've seen. I watched about 10 of his Euro games and you can see the improvement
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11/5/2015  3:37 PM
Can you imagine the ridicule that kid will have to deal with over the next 15 years if KP is as good as we think he'll be?
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11/5/2015  7:36 PM
TPercy wrote:With Fisher as his coach? Doubt he will reach his full potential.

Theres one thing Fisher has no control over, and thats greatness.

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11/5/2015  8:00 PM
Jmpasq wrote:
nixluva wrote:
TPercy wrote:With Fisher as his coach? Doubt he will reach his full potential.

What has Fish done to hamper this kid so far? I think Fish showed courage starting KP when many didn't think the kid should start!!! Or do we just forget all that now that the kid is showing so much improvement this early?


He has gotten a lot better from what I've seen. I watched about 10 of his Euro games and you can see the improvement

He shouldn't have started especially if Grant is not there with him. Throwing him out there in the startling lineup makes him lack clarity of where he is on the pecking order of scoring. Without Grant, who knows how to get him the ball the best, particularly in PnR really dosen't allow him to be exploited as much as he should be. Also like blkexec said, playing him in there with Melo dosen't really allow him to develop a killer instinct, which we will need in a few years when Melo is gone.


Also did you not watch how Fisher didn't even put KP in the game when we needed his defense the most? That was pretty frustrating man. That being said, the fact that KP despite these circumstances of how things are being made unnecessarily harder for him than it needs to be really highlights howgreat his own personal learning curve is.

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11/5/2015  8:19 PM
bigbasketballs wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:Let's ask this kid

or his dad?


It will always be natural for the average fan, and young fans especially, to disprove of a lesser-known player. International players tend to be that. Only hardcore fans with extensive basketball knowledge and ability to form their own opinion of a player they have not seen in live action based on scouting reports will possibly approve of this type of pick. Generally speaking, most in this forum will do their homework, but most fans in general won't put in the effort.

My fear is it will be "natural" to selfie your reaction to post on YouTube and/or watch yourself.

yes that behavior was certainly sickening and the sad thing is the lad thinks it is normal. shame on the douche dad.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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dk7th wrote:
bigbasketballs wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:Let's ask this kid

or his dad?


It will always be natural for the average fan, and young fans especially, to disprove of a lesser-known player. International players tend to be that. Only hardcore fans with extensive basketball knowledge and ability to form their own opinion of a player they have not seen in live action based on scouting reports will possibly approve of this type of pick. Generally speaking, most in this forum will do their homework, but most fans in general won't put in the effort.

My fear is it will be "natural" to selfie your reaction to post on YouTube and/or watch yourself.

yes that behavior was certainly sickening and the sad thing is the lad thinks it is normal. shame on the douche dad.

Shame on all knick fans that don't know basketball, and rooted against KP before he was even drafted. Including over 50% of the posters in here. This douche dad and his son had the same reaction as most fans. There's only a few of us with enough balls to tell it how we see it, instead of following the majority. KP was never going to be a popular pick, thanks to Frederick Weis.....That has nothing to do with KP.

So if we are coming down on this dude and his son, then first start with the "as you said" douche bag members of UK. Clean up your own house before cleaning up others. Otherwise, let it stay dirty and move on. KP is WCS with offense, which is a great player to have. And I'm a WCS fan.....But KP has the potential to be rookie of the year. Depending on his coach and system.

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11/5/2015  8:54 PM
blkexec wrote:
dk7th wrote:
bigbasketballs wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:Let's ask this kid

or his dad?


It will always be natural for the average fan, and young fans especially, to disprove of a lesser-known player. International players tend to be that. Only hardcore fans with extensive basketball knowledge and ability to form their own opinion of a player they have not seen in live action based on scouting reports will possibly approve of this type of pick. Generally speaking, most in this forum will do their homework, but most fans in general won't put in the effort.

My fear is it will be "natural" to selfie your reaction to post on YouTube and/or watch yourself.

yes that behavior was certainly sickening and the sad thing is the lad thinks it is normal. shame on the douche dad.

Shame on all knick fans that don't know basketball, and rooted against KP before he was even drafted. Including over 50% of the posters in here. This douche dad and his son had the same reaction as most fans. There's only a few of us with enough balls to tell it how we see it, instead of following the majority. KP was never going to be a popular pick, thanks to Frederick Weis.....That has nothing to do with KP.

So if we are coming down on this dude and his son, then first start with the "as you said" douche bag members of UK. Clean up your own house before cleaning up others. Otherwise, let it stay dirty and move on. KP is WCS with offense, which is a great player to have. And I'm a WCS fan.....But KP has the potential to be rookie of the year. Depending on his coach and system.

Here is the thread from draft night. Seems like most posters were really excited about the pick. I know that night it was rumored that it was either Mudiay or Kristaps. Maybe some of the negativity was based on past failures.
http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=51580&page=10
I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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11/5/2015  10:48 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
blkexec wrote:
dk7th wrote:
bigbasketballs wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:Let's ask this kid

or his dad?


It will always be natural for the average fan, and young fans especially, to disprove of a lesser-known player. International players tend to be that. Only hardcore fans with extensive basketball knowledge and ability to form their own opinion of a player they have not seen in live action based on scouting reports will possibly approve of this type of pick. Generally speaking, most in this forum will do their homework, but most fans in general won't put in the effort.

My fear is it will be "natural" to selfie your reaction to post on YouTube and/or watch yourself.

yes that behavior was certainly sickening and the sad thing is the lad thinks it is normal. shame on the douche dad.

Shame on all knick fans that don't know basketball, and rooted against KP before he was even drafted. Including over 50% of the posters in here. This douche dad and his son had the same reaction as most fans. There's only a few of us with enough balls to tell it how we see it, instead of following the majority. KP was never going to be a popular pick, thanks to Frederick Weis.....That has nothing to do with KP.

So if we are coming down on this dude and his son, then first start with the "as you said" douche bag members of UK. Clean up your own house before cleaning up others. Otherwise, let it stay dirty and move on. KP is WCS with offense, which is a great player to have. And I'm a WCS fan.....But KP has the potential to be rookie of the year. Depending on his coach and system.

Here is the thread from draft night. Seems like most posters were really excited about the pick. I know that night it was rumored that it was either Mudiay or Kristaps. Maybe some of the negativity was based on past failures.
http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=51580&page=10

ha ha there are some hilarious reactions in that thread.

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11/6/2015  1:01 AM
Nalod wrote:
herkyJerky wrote:
Nalod wrote:As long as Melo is around, KP is susceptible to morphing into Bargnani like play?

Uhhhh, I have seen no evidence of that yet.

I was kidding.

LMAO okay sorry then. I really thought you were being serious. You never know sometimes....

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11/6/2015  1:06 AM
bigbasketballs wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:Let's ask this kid

or his dad?


It will always be natural for the average fan, and young fans especially, to disprove of a lesser-known player. International players tend to be that. Only hardcore fans with extensive basketball knowledge and ability to form their own opinion of a player they have not seen in live action based on scouting reports will possibly approve of this type of pick. Generally speaking, most in this forum will do their homework, but most fans in general won't put in the effort.

My fear is it will be "natural" to selfie your reaction to post on YouTube and/or watch yourself.

Actually, the truly scary part about this is the fact that if KP really does turn out to be a super solid player, these two will still make up a bunch of crap to justify their actions. They'll never admit they were wrong.

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