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11/3/2015  10:43 AM
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ChuckBuck wrote:If this was hockey, the first star would go to Porzingis. Best game of his young career.

2nd star, to Jerian Grant. What a steal for THJR. All the makings of our PG for the long haul.

Negative stars, Carmelo Anthony. Had Kawhi, Defensive Player of the Year, Leonard and still tried to shoot over him at will. It's like if Tom Brady sees an all out blitz and doesn't audible out of his original play to counter. Melo has no basketball IQ whatsoever. Didn't make any adjustments...

What kind of adjustments should he have done. Should he have stopped shooting, tried to get to the line more, or let the team take control in the 4th?

don't force shots against the best defender in the league? This is not a pissing contest.

He went 2/6 in the 3rd. It's not like he started jacking up jumper after jumper. In the 3rd he was also 7/8 from the line. In the 4th he took 2 shots. One was open after he passed it to Kris on the PnP for an open three but Kris passed it back to Melo for an open 3. The other shot was a poor attempt to sneak one up when he landed on Kris. His 2nd half was different than his 1st but his shooting results were similar.

Don't care how many shots, just learn that you don't take contested shots and there is never/rarely a need for any hero shot. Do be honest, I missed a lot of the second half but the first half had some really terrible plays.

His mind set was to beat leonard and show him who melo (still) is. That is not the right mind set. Tim Duncan will never get caught up in stupid sh1t like that.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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11/3/2015  10:44 AM
newyorknewyork wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
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ChuckBuck wrote:If this was hockey, the first star would go to Porzingis. Best game of his young career.

2nd star, to Jerian Grant. What a steal for THJR. All the makings of our PG for the long haul.

Negative stars, Carmelo Anthony. Had Kawhi, Defensive Player of the Year, Leonard and still tried to shoot over him at will. It's like if Tom Brady sees an all out blitz and doesn't audible out of his original play to counter. Melo has no basketball IQ whatsoever. Didn't make any adjustments...

What kind of adjustments should he have done. Should he have stopped shooting, tried to get to the line more, or let the team take control in the 4th?

don't force shots against the best defender in the league? This is not a pissing contest.

He went 2/6 in the 3rd. It's not like he started jacking up jumper after jumper. In the 3rd he was also 7/8 from the line. In the 4th he took 2 shots. One was open after he passed it to Kris on the PnP for an open three but Kris passed it back to Melo for an open 3. The other shot was a poor attempt to sneak one up when he landed on Kris. His 2nd half was different than his 1st but his shooting results were similar.

And 17 shot attempts isn't crazy, especially with 12ft attempts. He had 2 ast in the first half but didn't pick up any in the 2nd. He had 1 turnover even with a 29% usage.

boy do I wish I can find stats that tracked this. He always gets early assists. Start watching this pattern with him ... its been like this for a long time.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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11/3/2015  10:47 AM
newyorknewyork wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
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ChuckBuck wrote:If this was hockey, the first star would go to Porzingis. Best game of his young career.

2nd star, to Jerian Grant. What a steal for THJR. All the makings of our PG for the long haul.

Negative stars, Carmelo Anthony. Had Kawhi, Defensive Player of the Year, Leonard and still tried to shoot over him at will. It's like if Tom Brady sees an all out blitz and doesn't audible out of his original play to counter. Melo has no basketball IQ whatsoever. Didn't make any adjustments...

What kind of adjustments should he have done. Should he have stopped shooting, tried to get to the line more, or let the team take control in the 4th?

don't force shots against the best defender in the league? This is not a pissing contest.

He went 2/6 in the 3rd. It's not like he started jacking up jumper after jumper. In the 3rd he was also 7/8 from the line. In the 4th he took 2 shots. One was open after he passed it to Kris on the PnP for an open three but Kris passed it back to Melo for an open 3. The other shot was a poor attempt to sneak one up when he landed on Kris. His 2nd half was different than his 1st but his shooting results were similar.

And 17 shot attempts isn't crazy, especially with 12ft attempts. He had 2 ast in the first half but didn't pick up any in the 2nd. He had 1 turnover even with a 29% usage.

One thing about Melo - ever since he's been here, the Knicks have been really good with not turning the ball over. Really good.

I think he made a few adjustments - got to the line more in the second half, crashed the boards more for offensive rebounds.

Kawhi shut down Kevin Durant on opening night - held him to 6-19FG. Did Durant shoot too much? Was he being selfish? Was he not making adjustments?

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11/3/2015  10:50 AM
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newyorknewyork wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:If this was hockey, the first star would go to Porzingis. Best game of his young career.

2nd star, to Jerian Grant. What a steal for THJR. All the makings of our PG for the long haul.

Negative stars, Carmelo Anthony. Had Kawhi, Defensive Player of the Year, Leonard and still tried to shoot over him at will. It's like if Tom Brady sees an all out blitz and doesn't audible out of his original play to counter. Melo has no basketball IQ whatsoever. Didn't make any adjustments...

What kind of adjustments should he have done. Should he have stopped shooting, tried to get to the line more, or let the team take control in the 4th?

don't force shots against the best defender in the league? This is not a pissing contest.

He went 2/6 in the 3rd. It's not like he started jacking up jumper after jumper. In the 3rd he was also 7/8 from the line. In the 4th he took 2 shots. One was open after he passed it to Kris on the PnP for an open three but Kris passed it back to Melo for an open 3. The other shot was a poor attempt to sneak one up when he landed on Kris. His 2nd half was different than his 1st but his shooting results were similar.

And 17 shot attempts isn't crazy, especially with 12ft attempts. He had 2 ast in the first half but didn't pick up any in the 2nd. He had 1 turnover even with a 29% usage.

One thing about Melo - ever since he's been here, the Knicks have been really good with not turning the ball over. Really good.

I think he made a few adjustments - got to the line more in the second half, crashed the boards more for offensive rebounds.

Kawhi shut down Kevin Durant on opening night - held him to 6-19FG. Did Durant shoot too much? Was he being selfish? Was he not making adjustments?

perhaps he did shoot to much. That does not absolve melo.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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11/3/2015  11:47 AM
Didn't check the final stats for the night, but I'm pretty darn sure we generated 0 points on fast break. Correct me if I'm wrong. That is not good. Last year, among many other problems, we didn't generate a whole lot of fast break points either. This should have been something they should have used against the Spurs. Another thing was the fact that we didn't seem to get to the FT line too often either. You have to do one or the other to beat good, deep, solid teams like the Spurs.
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11/3/2015  12:08 PM
i didn't see any of you (mreinman or chuckbuck types) beotches complaining when he had a 37 points 7 rebs 4 ast stat line in the wiz game. that's a lebron stat line.
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11/3/2015  12:21 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/3/2015  12:30 PM
This team hasn't been together long enough to learn how to beat the really big powerful teams like the Spurs. But I was impressed how they rallied back to bring it to a close game. And I did like how they got off to a good start to the game and even built a nice lead from the get-go. I don't remember them doing that too often last year. They are improving. I'll tell you what though, I'm really liking the RoLo and KP combo on our frontcourt.
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11/3/2015  12:29 PM
This is a PROCESS. This team is literally at the very beginning of learning each other, the system and how to win games. Plus we have guys like Melo, Jose and Afflalo who are coming off injury and trying to get it going. It's going to take a while before we see this team really clicking on all cylinders. Fish is also trying to figure things out. It may seem easy to just make this or that move and fix everything but it's not that simple. We have to have some patience as they work things out. You can see some growth and some slippage in every game.
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11/3/2015  12:51 PM
mreinman wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:If this was hockey, the first star would go to Porzingis. Best game of his young career.

2nd star, to Jerian Grant. What a steal for THJR. All the makings of our PG for the long haul.

Negative stars, Carmelo Anthony. Had Kawhi, Defensive Player of the Year, Leonard and still tried to shoot over him at will. It's like if Tom Brady sees an all out blitz and doesn't audible out of his original play to counter. Melo has no basketball IQ whatsoever. Didn't make any adjustments...

What kind of adjustments should he have done. Should he have stopped shooting, tried to get to the line more, or let the team take control in the 4th?

don't force shots against the best defender in the league? This is not a pissing contest.

He went 2/6 in the 3rd. It's not like he started jacking up jumper after jumper. In the 3rd he was also 7/8 from the line. In the 4th he took 2 shots. One was open after he passed it to Kris on the PnP for an open three but Kris passed it back to Melo for an open 3. The other shot was a poor attempt to sneak one up when he landed on Kris. His 2nd half was different than his 1st but his shooting results were similar.

And 17 shot attempts isn't crazy, especially with 12ft attempts. He had 2 ast in the first half but didn't pick up any in the 2nd. He had 1 turnover even with a 29% usage.

One thing about Melo - ever since he's been here, the Knicks have been really good with not turning the ball over. Really good.

I think he made a few adjustments - got to the line more in the second half, crashed the boards more for offensive rebounds.

Kawhi shut down Kevin Durant on opening night - held him to 6-19FG. Did Durant shoot too much? Was he being selfish? Was he not making adjustments?

perhaps he did shoot to much. That does not absolve melo.

it does. When your offense is struggling what do you propose? These are the kind of anti-Melo posts that tell me guys simply dont get the game. Spurs are a world class team built on defense. Your going to have bad shooting nights. Melo was matched against the leagues premier defender, and as mentioned struggled.

What do you propose? If the defense is too tough just stop shooting? Maybe the Knicks pass the ball around the perimeter for 24 secounds for a few possessions until they get their confidence back?

KP shot 5-15
Sasha shot 1-7
KOQ hit his first 3 and missed everything after that.

James Harden shot 6-13, 6-21, 4-18, 2-15 and 12-26 to star the season. This happens. This is part of the game.

Do you tell powerhitters to stop swinging so hard because they are striking out too much?

You seem to cling to stats and just cant get your head around bad shooting. Maybe we should just let Jose shoot 60 3's a game? Based on his career %s we should be a great team.

Watch the games Melo passes plenty. He absolutely 100% takes at the very least 2-3 bad shots a game. He is also the only player on the roster capable of really taking over, and you need that. You dont get that when scorers are told to stop shooting. There was no hot hand on the Knicks. They went cold. The Spurs do that.

Melo was also not getting any calls, but he most certainly was attacking the basket and getting into the paint when the jumper wasnt falling. That didnt work either. The Melo Jihad crew would have people believe that Fat Melo is just getting his while thinking about hats and saying F*ck New York.

Guys on this board just cant move on. Nobody is saying go buy his jersey, but the stuff people post here is a joke.

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11/3/2015  12:52 PM
mreinman wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:If this was hockey, the first star would go to Porzingis. Best game of his young career.

2nd star, to Jerian Grant. What a steal for THJR. All the makings of our PG for the long haul.

Negative stars, Carmelo Anthony. Had Kawhi, Defensive Player of the Year, Leonard and still tried to shoot over him at will. It's like if Tom Brady sees an all out blitz and doesn't audible out of his original play to counter. Melo has no basketball IQ whatsoever. Didn't make any adjustments...

What kind of adjustments should he have done. Should he have stopped shooting, tried to get to the line more, or let the team take control in the 4th?

don't force shots against the best defender in the league? This is not a pissing contest.

He went 2/6 in the 3rd. It's not like he started jacking up jumper after jumper. In the 3rd he was also 7/8 from the line. In the 4th he took 2 shots. One was open after he passed it to Kris on the PnP for an open three but Kris passed it back to Melo for an open 3. The other shot was a poor attempt to sneak one up when he landed on Kris. His 2nd half was different than his 1st but his shooting results were similar.

And 17 shot attempts isn't crazy, especially with 12ft attempts. He had 2 ast in the first half but didn't pick up any in the 2nd. He had 1 turnover even with a 29% usage.

One thing about Melo - ever since he's been here, the Knicks have been really good with not turning the ball over. Really good.

I think he made a few adjustments - got to the line more in the second half, crashed the boards more for offensive rebounds.

Kawhi shut down Kevin Durant on opening night - held him to 6-19FG. Did Durant shoot too much? Was he being selfish? Was he not making adjustments?

perhaps he did shoot to much. That does not absolve melo.

Melo took some bad shots - for sure he did. So did the other Knicks. A lot of that was caused by San Antonio's D.

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11/3/2015  1:58 PM
Cartman718 wrote:i didn't see any of you (mreinman or chuckbuck types) beotches complaining when he had a 37 points 7 rebs 4 ast stat line in the wiz game. that's a lebron stat line.

Thanks for the reminder! 1 good game out of 4 games, great ratio. Thanks for pointing it out.

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11/3/2015  2:26 PM
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Cartman718 wrote:i didn't see any of you (mreinman or chuckbuck types) beotches complaining when he had a 37 points 7 rebs 4 ast stat line in the wiz game. that's a lebron stat line.

Thanks for the reminder! 1 good game out of 4 games, great ratio. Thanks for pointing it out.

Last two games he's gotten to the line 12 times a game, which is elite in that category. And as some have mentioned, he probably should've gotten there 16-18 times based on the number of missed calls.

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11/3/2015  2:29 PM
General observation - I have not been all that impressed with LaMarcus Aldridge or Greg Monroe so far. I don't think we missed out on all that much.
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11/3/2015  3:07 PM
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:If this was hockey, the first star would go to Porzingis. Best game of his young career.

2nd star, to Jerian Grant. What a steal for THJR. All the makings of our PG for the long haul.

Negative stars, Carmelo Anthony. Had Kawhi, Defensive Player of the Year, Leonard and still tried to shoot over him at will. It's like if Tom Brady sees an all out blitz and doesn't audible out of his original play to counter. Melo has no basketball IQ whatsoever. Didn't make any adjustments...

What kind of adjustments should he have done. Should he have stopped shooting, tried to get to the line more, or let the team take control in the 4th?

don't force shots against the best defender in the league? This is not a pissing contest.

He went 2/6 in the 3rd. It's not like he started jacking up jumper after jumper. In the 3rd he was also 7/8 from the line. In the 4th he took 2 shots. One was open after he passed it to Kris on the PnP for an open three but Kris passed it back to Melo for an open 3. The other shot was a poor attempt to sneak one up when he landed on Kris. His 2nd half was different than his 1st but his shooting results were similar.

And 17 shot attempts isn't crazy, especially with 12ft attempts. He had 2 ast in the first half but didn't pick up any in the 2nd. He had 1 turnover even with a 29% usage.

One thing about Melo - ever since he's been here, the Knicks have been really good with not turning the ball over. Really good.

I think he made a few adjustments - got to the line more in the second half, crashed the boards more for offensive rebounds.

Kawhi shut down Kevin Durant on opening night - held him to 6-19FG. Did Durant shoot too much? Was he being selfish? Was he not making adjustments?

perhaps he did shoot to much. That does not absolve melo.

it does. When your offense is struggling what do you propose? These are the kind of anti-Melo posts that tell me guys simply dont get the game. Spurs are a world class team built on defense. Your going to have bad shooting nights. Melo was matched against the leagues premier defender, and as mentioned struggled.

What do you propose? If the defense is too tough just stop shooting? Maybe the Knicks pass the ball around the perimeter for 24 secounds for a few possessions until they get their confidence back?

KP shot 5-15
Sasha shot 1-7
KOQ hit his first 3 and missed everything after that.

James Harden shot 6-13, 6-21, 4-18, 2-15 and 12-26 to star the season. This happens. This is part of the game.

Do you tell powerhitters to stop swinging so hard because they are striking out too much?

You seem to cling to stats and just cant get your head around bad shooting. Maybe we should just let Jose shoot 60 3's a game? Based on his career %s we should be a great team.

Watch the games Melo passes plenty. He absolutely 100% takes at the very least 2-3 bad shots a game. He is also the only player on the roster capable of really taking over, and you need that. You dont get that when scorers are told to stop shooting. There was no hot hand on the Knicks. They went cold. The Spurs do that.

Melo was also not getting any calls, but he most certainly was attacking the basket and getting into the paint when the jumper wasnt falling. That didnt work either. The Melo Jihad crew would have people believe that Fat Melo is just getting his while thinking about hats and saying F*ck New York.

Guys on this board just cant move on. Nobody is saying go buy his jersey, but the stuff people post here is a joke.

fishmike, you don't have to tell me I dont understand the game. I know exactly what I am seeing and though I love stats, nobody watches the game as closely as I do (or not many). I follow exactly what he does. And, he does not take just 2-3 bad shots a game. C'mon ... you are sounding like a silly apologian.

No need to make excuses for him. Come to the game thread and lets judge him shot by shot if you'd like. He is still missing the team concept in his game (though a bit better) and perhaps you are missing it too.

No more of the stupid excused from 10 years ago "well who else should shoot? X?". Keep moving the ball and you will always find a better shot.

I would love to see the stat on how long melo holds the ball compared to other players.

And though you may try to excuse him, I am sure that phil and coaching staff are working feverishly to change his game. Listen to the fisher post games, he keeps making suble comments about this. "melo was going for the home run shot tonight ...".

I actually believe that I am balanced on melo and far from just a hater. I don't care if he scored 37 or 10 as long as he is taking smart shots and moving the ball quickly.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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11/3/2015  3:30 PM
crzymdups wrote:
mreinman wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:If this was hockey, the first star would go to Porzingis. Best game of his young career.

2nd star, to Jerian Grant. What a steal for THJR. All the makings of our PG for the long haul.

Negative stars, Carmelo Anthony. Had Kawhi, Defensive Player of the Year, Leonard and still tried to shoot over him at will. It's like if Tom Brady sees an all out blitz and doesn't audible out of his original play to counter. Melo has no basketball IQ whatsoever. Didn't make any adjustments...

What kind of adjustments should he have done. Should he have stopped shooting, tried to get to the line more, or let the team take control in the 4th?

don't force shots against the best defender in the league? This is not a pissing contest.

He went 2/6 in the 3rd. It's not like he started jacking up jumper after jumper. In the 3rd he was also 7/8 from the line. In the 4th he took 2 shots. One was open after he passed it to Kris on the PnP for an open three but Kris passed it back to Melo for an open 3. The other shot was a poor attempt to sneak one up when he landed on Kris. His 2nd half was different than his 1st but his shooting results were similar.

And 17 shot attempts isn't crazy, especially with 12ft attempts. He had 2 ast in the first half but didn't pick up any in the 2nd. He had 1 turnover even with a 29% usage.

One thing about Melo - ever since he's been here, the Knicks have been really good with not turning the ball over. Really good.

I think he made a few adjustments - got to the line more in the second half, crashed the boards more for offensive rebounds.

Kawhi shut down Kevin Durant on opening night - held him to 6-19FG. Did Durant shoot too much? Was he being selfish? Was he not making adjustments?

perhaps he did shoot to much. That does not absolve melo.

Melo took some bad shots - for sure he did. So did the other Knicks. A lot of that was caused by San Antonio's D.

Agreed. He was not the only one who took bad shots.

I expect the rookies to take bad shots.

Its ok for vets to miss but not to take too many bad shots.

I can give Dwil some rope but my patience with him may be thin because he seems to have a really low bball iq. Just watch how smart KP is at such a young age.

Sasha cannot keep going 1-7 and 2-10.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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11/3/2015  3:36 PM
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Cartman718 wrote:i didn't see any of you (mreinman or chuckbuck types) beotches complaining when he had a 37 points 7 rebs 4 ast stat line in the wiz game. that's a lebron stat line.

Thanks for the reminder! 1 good game out of 4 games, great ratio. Thanks for pointing it out.

Last two games he's gotten to the line 12 times a game, which is elite in that category. And as some have mentioned, he probably should've gotten there 16-18 times based on the number of missed calls.

No mention of Melo's constant bitching of non calls to the refs leading to fast breaks? Where's the stat on that?

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crzymdups wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:i didn't see any of you (mreinman or chuckbuck types) beotches complaining when he had a 37 points 7 rebs 4 ast stat line in the wiz game. that's a lebron stat line.

Thanks for the reminder! 1 good game out of 4 games, great ratio. Thanks for pointing it out.

Last two games he's gotten to the line 12 times a game, which is elite in that category. And as some have mentioned, he probably should've gotten there 16-18 times based on the number of missed calls.

No mention of Melo's constant bitching of non calls to the refs leading to fast breaks? Where's the stat on that?

um yeah he has to improve in that category for sure...

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crzymdups wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:i didn't see any of you (mreinman or chuckbuck types) beotches complaining when he had a 37 points 7 rebs 4 ast stat line in the wiz game. that's a lebron stat line.

Thanks for the reminder! 1 good game out of 4 games, great ratio. Thanks for pointing it out.

Last two games he's gotten to the line 12 times a game, which is elite in that category. And as some have mentioned, he probably should've gotten there 16-18 times based on the number of missed calls.

No mention of Melo's constant bitching of non calls to the refs leading to fast breaks? Where's the stat on that?

um yeah he has to improve in that category for sure...


I agree that Melo shouldn't get caught up in arguing with the Refs but I also think he get's HAMMERED on a lot of plays and they don't call it. You can't BREATHE on some players but Melo you're free to abuse and they only call it when it's ridiculously obvious that you can't let that contact go.

Still I would LOVE to see Melo play more of "Olympic Melo" in this offense. Use the motion and flow to take advantage of screens and take open jumpers more than the ISO looks. It just would make more sense to let your teammates help you get open. He does it sometimes but not enough. If I was the coach i'd point that out and call for more screens rather than ISO looks even tho it's also part of the offense to create those looks, so let's not forget that.

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11/3/2015  4:41 PM
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ChuckBuck wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:i didn't see any of you (mreinman or chuckbuck types) beotches complaining when he had a 37 points 7 rebs 4 ast stat line in the wiz game. that's a lebron stat line.

Thanks for the reminder! 1 good game out of 4 games, great ratio. Thanks for pointing it out.

Last two games he's gotten to the line 12 times a game, which is elite in that category. And as some have mentioned, he probably should've gotten there 16-18 times based on the number of missed calls.

No mention of Melo's constant bitching of non calls to the refs leading to fast breaks? Where's the stat on that?

um yeah he has to improve in that category for sure...


I agree that Melo shouldn't get caught up in arguing with the Refs but I also think he get's HAMMERED on a lot of plays and they don't call it. You can't BREATHE on some players but Melo you're free to abuse and they only call it when it's ridiculously obvious that you can't let that contact go.

Still I would LOVE to see Melo play more of "Olympic Melo" in this offense. Use the motion and flow to take advantage of screens and take open jumpers more than the ISO looks. It just would make more sense to let your teammates help you get open. He does it sometimes but not enough. If I was the coach i'd point that out and call for more screens rather than ISO looks even tho it's also part of the offense to create those looks, so let's not forget that.

agreed. that is the offense that I want to see from melo. I don't mind some ISO/post play if he passes quickly when the double comes. Barkley made a living off that.

As far as getting calls, it not a conspiracy. There is a reason why he is not getting them as often as he would like. Its a style issue.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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nixluva wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:i didn't see any of you (mreinman or chuckbuck types) beotches complaining when he had a 37 points 7 rebs 4 ast stat line in the wiz game. that's a lebron stat line.

Thanks for the reminder! 1 good game out of 4 games, great ratio. Thanks for pointing it out.

Last two games he's gotten to the line 12 times a game, which is elite in that category. And as some have mentioned, he probably should've gotten there 16-18 times based on the number of missed calls.

No mention of Melo's constant bitching of non calls to the refs leading to fast breaks? Where's the stat on that?

um yeah he has to improve in that category for sure...


I agree that Melo shouldn't get caught up in arguing with the Refs but I also think he get's HAMMERED on a lot of plays and they don't call it. You can't BREATHE on some players but Melo you're free to abuse and they only call it when it's ridiculously obvious that you can't let that contact go.

Still I would LOVE to see Melo play more of "Olympic Melo" in this offense. Use the motion and flow to take advantage of screens and take open jumpers more than the ISO looks. It just would make more sense to let your teammates help you get open. He does it sometimes but not enough. If I was the coach i'd point that out and call for more screens rather than ISO looks even tho it's also part of the offense to create those looks, so let's not forget that.

this is one of your better posts, nixluva. one observation, though: melo initiates contact more than most.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
Post-game observations vs. spurs-- caveat: only viewed 1st half; heard fisher's comments on radio

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