gunsnewing wrote:

mreinman wrote:I was big on the rolo signing but he has really looked slow out there.

That was my concern the day we signed him from for 4yrs $60mil? Slow & lumbering. Total offensive flow cocblocker. Everyone was infatuated with his advance stats. Including the Knicks. I think it was only me and Holfresh who saw him as an overpaid 20min a game stiff who is useless in the playoffs.

I don't think he's a stiff but I have the same concerns. Definitely feels overpaid to me. Hopefully he has a bigger impact than what I'm anticipating.

Finestrg wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

mreinman wrote:I was big on the rolo signing but he has really looked slow out there.

That was my concern the day we signed him from for 4yrs $60mil? Slow & lumbering. Total offensive flow cocblocker. Everyone was infatuated with his advance stats. Including the Knicks. I think it was only me and Holfresh who saw him as an overpaid 20min a game stiff who is useless in the playoffs.

I don't think he's a stiff but I have the same concerns. Definitely feels overpaid to me. Hopefully he has a bigger impact than what I'm anticipating.

We need to package these forwards we got and add a WCS type of backup center.

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:OMG! The season has not even started yet.

Take a deep breath everyone. Exhale.

The team is improved. They are not championship caliber yet. Neither were the Mets in June.

IT is a process and takes time. The pieces they have are movable. Deals will be available to them.

Lopez can play. OQuinn looks good. Seraphin will be fine. Melo will shoot like he always does. Afflalo will too. The young guys will improve. Fisher will get better as a coach.

I agree with everything. I think we have the right ingredients but the wrong recipe.

mreinman wrote:I was big on the rolo signing but he has really looked slow out there.

That's cause he is slow and when he's going against these centers like Zeller that are smaller and quicker the other guys will have to help him and get back quicker.

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:OMG! The season has not even started yet.

Take a deep breath everyone. Exhale.

The team is improved. They are not championship caliber yet. Neither were the Mets in June.

IT is a process and takes time. The pieces they have are movable. Deals will be available to them.

Lopez can play. OQuinn looks good. Seraphin will be fine. Melo will shoot like he always does. Afflalo will too. The young guys will improve. Fisher will get better as a coach.

blkexec wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Syniko wrote:What did you expect when you have a dullard owner? Winning is the furthest thing from his idiotic mind. Why PJ want to be part of any of this franchise is a headscratcher.

PJ ego is huge. He believes he can make a winner even in this situation.
I think for now he is doing OK... but its a looooong way to go.

You do understand that Phil isn't counting on this team to be the finished product right?? This is what he could do with the resources he had and this is not the finished product. Nobody not even Phil thinks this is the team we'll be going to the playoffs and winning playoff games with. Phil needs another year or two to get this team where he wants it.

Phil needs to build around melo now and KP longterm. But overall we need more young atletes that can break down a team and get to the rim. More DWill type of athleticism.

newyorker4ever wrote:

blkexec wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Syniko wrote:What did you expect when you have a dullard owner? Winning is the furthest thing from his idiotic mind. Why PJ want to be part of any of this franchise is a headscratcher.

PJ ego is huge. He believes he can make a winner even in this situation.
I think for now he is doing OK... but its a looooong way to go.

You do understand that Phil isn't counting on this team to be the finished product right?? This is what he could do with the resources he had and this is not the finished product. Nobody not even Phil thinks this is the team we'll be going to the playoffs and winning playoff games with. Phil needs another year or two to get this team where he wants it.

Phil needs to build around melo now and KP longterm. But overall we need more young atletes that can break down a team and get to the rim. More DWill type of athleticism.

Yes but it's not something that can be done as quickly as some on here are expecting. Phil will be a busy man around the trade deadline. We have a team full of players that are assets and players that other teams would trade for which we didn't have at all the last couple of years. Building a team is a process and Phil is the first GM/President that had the balls to come in here and do it the right way while knowing he was gonna take a bunch of heat from impatient fans. New York Knicks fans should be happy that we're finally on the right path to rebuild this team the right way which many have been saying it needed to be done for years but every GM we had didn't want to rebuild this team the right way and just kept spending stupid money every year on horrible contracts. Things are moving in the right direction with Phil.

new york--I think most fans want to be optimistic and look for upside in their own team. I want us to win now--I didnt like the way Robin Lopez played last night. I didnt like the fact that he was beat down court so badly as a veteran a number of times and then just doesnt have it on the offensive end. I know hes a rim protector but so far Cole Aldrich at 1mm per looks just as good(or better) He's got to play better than that.

We have some guys like Galloway Williams Early Affalo Grant--I wonder if we are better off going smaller and playing Melo at 4. You know KP might be better on unit 2 as a C/pf for 15 minutes year 1. I think I can see us with more cohesion going smaller. I think we can be a very decent team in fact. Win first develop second.

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

blkexec wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Syniko wrote:What did you expect when you have a dullard owner? Winning is the furthest thing from his idiotic mind. Why PJ want to be part of any of this franchise is a headscratcher.

PJ ego is huge. He believes he can make a winner even in this situation.
I think for now he is doing OK... but its a looooong way to go.

You do understand that Phil isn't counting on this team to be the finished product right?? This is what he could do with the resources he had and this is not the finished product. Nobody not even Phil thinks this is the team we'll be going to the playoffs and winning playoff games with. Phil needs another year or two to get this team where he wants it.

Phil needs to build around melo now and KP longterm. But overall we need more young atletes that can break down a team and get to the rim. More DWill type of athleticism.

Yes but it's not something that can be done as quickly as some on here are expecting. Phil will be a busy man around the trade deadline. We have a team full of players that are assets and players that other teams would trade for which we didn't have at all the last couple of years. Building a team is a process and Phil is the first GM/President that had the balls to come in here and do it the right way while knowing he was gonna take a bunch of heat from impatient fans. New York Knicks fans should be happy that we're finally on the right path to rebuild this team the right way which many have been saying it needed to be done for years but every GM we had didn't want to rebuild this team the right way and just kept spending stupid money every year on horrible contracts. Things are moving in the right direction with Phil.

new york--I think most fans want to be optimistic and look for upside in their own team. I want us to win now--I didnt like the way Robin Lopez played last night. I didnt like the fact that he was beat down court so badly as a veteran a number of times and then just doesnt have it on the offensive end. I know hes a rim protector but so far Cole Aldrich at 1mm per looks just as good(or better) He's got to play better than that.

We have some guys like Galloway Williams Early Affalo Grant--I wonder if we are better off going smaller and playing Melo at 4. You know KP might be better on unit 2 as a C/pf for 15 minutes year 1. I think I can see us with more cohesion going smaller. I think we can be a very decent team in fact. Win first develop second.

We are definitely a bettersmall ball team. Our centers and PFs are old school half court slow bigs. When Fisher continurs to play them together throughout the game.....we will lose. Most teams have quicker forwards.....Even Tim Duncan is quick for his size. The problem we have is our deepest position are slow PFs. So this is why i think Fisher is the key to success. Will he sit most of the slow forwards and play more uptempo players? Seraphin, KP, OQuinn are PFs with speed of a center. When you pair these guys with Rolo....team speed just got even slower.

Melo or Dwill at PF makes the team faster. Melo and Dwill together with Rolo or KP at center makes since to me. Fisher has to decide which bigs have to bea DNP. Amundson is another slow forward that lacks athleticism. ....same with Lance Thomas. All these slow forwards need to sit. Below is an example of using what we have and making it more balanced with speed and rim protection....KP leads the second unit. Next yr KP and Rolo switch.....but I dont know if I like them playing together.

Starter......Bench
Rolo............KP
Melo............OQuinn
Dwill...........Early
AA..............Gallo
Calderon........Grant

DNP....Seraphin
DNP....Amundson
DNP....Thomas

WaltLongmire wrote:

blkexec wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

blkexec wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Syniko wrote:What did you expect when you have a dullard owner? Winning is the furthest thing from his idiotic mind. Why PJ want to be part of any of this franchise is a headscratcher.

PJ ego is huge. He believes he can make a winner even in this situation.
I think for now he is doing OK... but its a looooong way to go.

You do understand that Phil isn't counting on this team to be the finished product right?? This is what he could do with the resources he had and this is not the finished product. Nobody not even Phil thinks this is the team we'll be going to the playoffs and winning playoff games with. Phil needs another year or two to get this team where he wants it.

Phil needs to build around melo now and KP longterm. But overall we need more young atletes that can break down a team and get to the rim. More DWill type of athleticism.

Yes but it's not something that can be done as quickly as some on here are expecting. Phil will be a busy man around the trade deadline. We have a team full of players that are assets and players that other teams would trade for which we didn't have at all the last couple of years. Building a team is a process and Phil is the first GM/President that had the balls to come in here and do it the right way while knowing he was gonna take a bunch of heat from impatient fans. New York Knicks fans should be happy that we're finally on the right path to rebuild this team the right way which many have been saying it needed to be done for years but every GM we had didn't want to rebuild this team the right way and just kept spending stupid money every year on horrible contracts. Things are moving in the right direction with Phil.

new york--I think most fans want to be optimistic and look for upside in their own team. I want us to win now--I didnt like the way Robin Lopez played last night. I didnt like the fact that he was beat down court so badly as a veteran a number of times and then just doesnt have it on the offensive end. I know hes a rim protector but so far Cole Aldrich at 1mm per looks just as good(or better) He's got to play better than that.

We have some guys like Galloway Williams Early Affalo Grant--I wonder if we are better off going smaller and playing Melo at 4. You know KP might be better on unit 2 as a C/pf for 15 minutes year 1. I think I can see us with more cohesion going smaller. I think we can be a very decent team in fact. Win first develop second.

We are definitely a bettersmall ball team. Our centers and PFs are old school half court slow bigs. When Fisher continurs to play them together throughout the game.....we will lose. Most teams have quicker forwards.....Even Tim Duncan is quick for his size. The problem we have is our deepest position are slow PFs. So this is why i think Fisher is the key to success. Will he sit most of the slow forwards and play more uptempo players? Seraphin, KP, OQuinn are PFs with speed of a center. When you pair these guys with Rolo....team speed just got even slower.

Melo or Dwill at PF makes the team faster. Melo and Dwill together with Rolo or KP at center makes since to me. Fisher has to decide which bigs have to bea DNP. Amundson is another slow forward that lacks athleticism. ....same with Lance Thomas. All these slow forwards need to sit. Below is an example of using what we have and making it more balanced with speed and rim protection....KP leads the second unit. Next yr KP and Rolo switch.....but I dont know if I like them playing together.

Rolo...KP
Melo...OQuinn
Dwill..Early
AA.....Gallo
Calderon....Grant

DNP....Seraphin
DNP....Amundson
DNP....Thomas

Maybe you move O'Quinn to 5 replacing Lopez?

I'm hoping that Anthony plays himself into SF shape for this season and next...you just don't recover from surgery as quickly when you are an older player.

Don't feel good opening up a can of worms so I hate to bring this up, because guys have beat me down over this and made light of it during the off season...but are we looking at a situation where getting his injury operated on later rather than earlier might have made a difference for this season...at least the early part?

Anthony was diligent during his recovery period, but could he have used another 2 months of rehab and weight training?

Just a thought

I suppose he could've, but it didn't really look that way to me the previous 5 games of this pre-season. We'll see how he feels and looks the first handful of games of the regular season.