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BRIGGS
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10/18/2015  6:29 PM
dk7th wrote:i think whether kp or o'quinn starts it's a win-win for the knicks. but the only reason i think kp should start is he has greater defensive length and rim protection, and i saw some seminal moments of him and melo developing chemistry.

however, if kp plays with second unit, you have a lot of defensive length with galloway, grant and kp.

like i said, i think it's a win-win.

Nope KP should NOT start.

A. He has NOt earned to start
B Oquinn has and right now hes the much superior player--maybe better than anyone thinks


I think we might be best pairing Admundson with Kristaps on unit 2. In fact I know it.

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10/18/2015  6:41 PM
Finestrg wrote:
clyderules wrote:Travis Trice is going to be a nice player for this team. Great passer, solid shooter, controlled and disciplined, dogged defender. Great pickup, Phil!

Man, he looked good, didn't he? I didn't think he'd make the 15-man, although after last night, you figure he's gotta be in contention for that last spot. I'd like to keep and develop all of our end-of-the-bench guys but in particular, they need to hold onto Trice and TA imo. Tough decision all of a sudden -- TA won't accept a DL spot unless he makes the team and his contract is picked up/guaranteed for the season and now all of a sudden, I feel if Trice doesn't make it, we may lose him--I think some team would scoop him up as a backup or 3rd PG on their 15-man. May never even make it to Westchester.. Trice isn't Chris Paul or anything but he's an NBA player. I bet pound for pound he could give us more than Calderon could at this point. Too bad the amount players are owed usually dictates who makes a team and who plays. In a perfect world, I'd take Trice on this team over Calderon in a heartbeat. Dude reminds me of a poor man's Mike Bibby. Nice player.

I believe that Trice has one of those partially guaranteed contracts that allows us to stash him in Westchester but from the small sample that I saw he might already be our best pure point guard. As you can tell he really impressed me!

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10/18/2015  7:54 PM
clyderules wrote:
Finestrg wrote:
clyderules wrote:Travis Trice is going to be a nice player for this team. Great passer, solid shooter, controlled and disciplined, dogged defender. Great pickup, Phil!

Man, he looked good, didn't he? I didn't think he'd make the 15-man, although after last night, you figure he's gotta be in contention for that last spot. I'd like to keep and develop all of our end-of-the-bench guys but in particular, they need to hold onto Trice and TA imo. Tough decision all of a sudden -- TA won't accept a DL spot unless he makes the team and his contract is picked up/guaranteed for the season and now all of a sudden, I feel if Trice doesn't make it, we may lose him--I think some team would scoop him up as a backup or 3rd PG on their 15-man. May never even make it to Westchester.. Trice isn't Chris Paul or anything but he's an NBA player. I bet pound for pound he could give us more than Calderon could at this point. Too bad the amount players are owed usually dictates who makes a team and who plays. In a perfect world, I'd take Trice on this team over Calderon in a heartbeat. Dude reminds me of a poor man's Mike Bibby. Nice player.

I believe that Trice has one of those partially guaranteed contracts that allows us to stash him in Westchester but from the small sample that I saw he might already be our best pure point guard. As you can tell he really impressed me!

Pretty sure this is also true for Saunders and Atkins. I think Berman had an article that explained it a number of weeks ago.

Not able to see the second half (watching the Mets), but I'm going to have to check out his time on the floor.

How did he look in terms of size and on defense?

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10/18/2015  8:01 PM
martin wrote:So my other thoughts about this thread and particularly starting OQuinn: He has played VERY well off the bench, but does that necessarily translate if moved to the starting position? Good success against second liners does not automatically translate. His range is not like KP's, so that means there will be 2 defenders that can slouch off of their guys with a starting front court of Rolo, KOQ, less lanes to the basket. Also, KOQ has a knack for picking up fouls, is that good or bad? Would it increase if he was in the starting lineup? Can he defend out to the 3 point line as well as KP?

All good points

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10/18/2015  8:04 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
dk7th wrote:i think whether kp or o'quinn starts it's a win-win for the knicks. but the only reason i think kp should start is he has greater defensive length and rim protection, and i saw some seminal moments of him and melo developing chemistry.

however, if kp plays with second unit, you have a lot of defensive length with galloway, grant and kp.

like i said, i think it's a win-win.

Nope KP should NOT start.

A. He has NOt earned to start
B Oquinn has and right now hes the much superior player--maybe better than anyone thinks


I think we might be best pairing Admundson with Kristaps on unit 2. In fact I know it.

He may be the best fit with the starting unit though.

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10/18/2015  8:43 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
dk7th wrote:i think whether kp or o'quinn starts it's a win-win for the knicks. but the only reason i think kp should start is he has greater defensive length and rim protection, and i saw some seminal moments of him and melo developing chemistry.

however, if kp plays with second unit, you have a lot of defensive length with galloway, grant and kp.

like i said, i think it's a win-win.

Nope KP should NOT start.

A. He has NOt earned to start
B Oquinn has and right now hes the much superior player--maybe better than anyone thinks


I think we might be best pairing Admundson with Kristaps on unit 2. In fact I know it.

Admunson is not going to be on unit 2, get real. How do you know this?

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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10/19/2015  1:20 AM
WaltLongmire wrote:
clyderules wrote:
Finestrg wrote:
clyderules wrote:Travis Trice is going to be a nice player for this team. Great passer, solid shooter, controlled and disciplined, dogged defender. Great pickup, Phil!

Man, he looked good, didn't he? I didn't think he'd make the 15-man, although after last night, you figure he's gotta be in contention for that last spot. I'd like to keep and develop all of our end-of-the-bench guys but in particular, they need to hold onto Trice and TA imo. Tough decision all of a sudden -- TA won't accept a DL spot unless he makes the team and his contract is picked up/guaranteed for the season and now all of a sudden, I feel if Trice doesn't make it, we may lose him--I think some team would scoop him up as a backup or 3rd PG on their 15-man. May never even make it to Westchester.. Trice isn't Chris Paul or anything but he's an NBA player. I bet pound for pound he could give us more than Calderon could at this point. Too bad the amount players are owed usually dictates who makes a team and who plays. In a perfect world, I'd take Trice on this team over Calderon in a heartbeat. Dude reminds me of a poor man's Mike Bibby. Nice player.

I believe that Trice has one of those partially guaranteed contracts that allows us to stash him in Westchester but from the small sample that I saw he might already be our best pure point guard. As you can tell he really impressed me!

Pretty sure this is also true for Saunders and Atkins. I think Berman had an article that explained it a number of weeks ago.

Not able to see the second half (watching the Mets), but I'm going to have to check out his time on the floor.

How did he look in terms of size and on defense?

Trice was tenacious on defense. Agressive and stayed with his man. Fought through picks and is a strong young man. Very aware and in position. If he goes to Westchester I predict that he will make a triumphant return.

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10/19/2015  7:12 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
dk7th wrote:i think whether kp or o'quinn starts it's a win-win for the knicks. but the only reason i think kp should start is he has greater defensive length and rim protection, and i saw some seminal moments of him and melo developing chemistry.

however, if kp plays with second unit, you have a lot of defensive length with galloway, grant and kp.

like i said, i think it's a win-win.

Nope KP should NOT start.

A. He has NOt earned to start
B Oquinn has and right now hes the much superior player--maybe better than anyone thinks


I think we might be best pairing Admundson with Kristaps on unit 2. In fact I know it.

KP will likely start and then O'quinn will come in. The whole preseason has been based around rotations and chemistry and KP has great chemistry offensively with Melo and defensively with RoLo. Just like O'quinn has great chemistry with the bench unit as a center (since he is a center). O'quinn wil play with the starters but likely when RoLo is in foul trouble.

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10/19/2015  8:30 AM
BRIGGS wrote:5 Lopez
4 Oquinn
3 Anthony
2 Affalo
1 Galloway

5 Admundson
4 Porzingis
3 Williams
2 Early
1 Grant

seraphin
Calderon
Sasha
Thomas


It probably won't happen but that's what I saw

I can agree with this. It's all on Fisher. If he is coaching without prejudice this is how it should be. If he's placing any type confidence in Lance Thomas I will be infuriated

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10/19/2015  11:38 AM
More on Trice from TheKnicksBlog.com:

" With that in mind, someone who stood out amongst
the rest was Travis Trice. The guard out of
Michigan looked like an intelligent player, though
the jitters from seeing his first NBA action were
undoubtedly present. It’s easy to tell he wants to
make the right plays. He was carefully spreading
the floor, anxiously moving without the ball. He
moved well in transition and constantly looked to
find his teammates under the basket. Trice shot 2
of 5 from the field (in just thirteen minutes of play),
but he didn’t seem like a selfish player."

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10/19/2015  11:48 AM
clyderules wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
clyderules wrote:
Finestrg wrote:
clyderules wrote:Travis Trice is going to be a nice player for this team. Great passer, solid shooter, controlled and disciplined, dogged defender. Great pickup, Phil!

Man, he looked good, didn't he? I didn't think he'd make the 15-man, although after last night, you figure he's gotta be in contention for that last spot. I'd like to keep and develop all of our end-of-the-bench guys but in particular, they need to hold onto Trice and TA imo. Tough decision all of a sudden -- TA won't accept a DL spot unless he makes the team and his contract is picked up/guaranteed for the season and now all of a sudden, I feel if Trice doesn't make it, we may lose him--I think some team would scoop him up as a backup or 3rd PG on their 15-man. May never even make it to Westchester.. Trice isn't Chris Paul or anything but he's an NBA player. I bet pound for pound he could give us more than Calderon could at this point. Too bad the amount players are owed usually dictates who makes a team and who plays. In a perfect world, I'd take Trice on this team over Calderon in a heartbeat. Dude reminds me of a poor man's Mike Bibby. Nice player.

I believe that Trice has one of those partially guaranteed contracts that allows us to stash him in Westchester but from the small sample that I saw he might already be our best pure point guard. As you can tell he really impressed me!

Pretty sure this is also true for Saunders and Atkins. I think Berman had an article that explained it a number of weeks ago.

Not able to see the second half (watching the Mets), but I'm going to have to check out his time on the floor.

How did he look in terms of size and on defense?

Trice was tenacious on defense. Agressive and stayed with his man. Fought through picks and is a strong young man. Very aware and in position. If he goes to Westchester I predict that he will make a triumphant return.


If he can hold his own on the defensive end, he might have a chance.

Can't say he was an unknown because of his tournament performance, but I'm surprised he was not picked up at the end of the second round.

Interesting player to watch if he stays with the Knicks and plays in Westchester.

Think I'm going to check out a replay of the second half now.

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