CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

mreinman wrote:fuk him.

Wow dude just wow.. Poor taste I know you like to be the negative duche on this site but that's to far kid ... He's a family man with children .. Have some respect .

I think his post is in reference to Briggs thinking:

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=52616&page=2

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

mase14 wrote:Lamar had a tough life, his father was an addict also his baby died, he was involved in an accident in Queens where somebody died and recently one of his best friends died.

Hes a big time loser. Many people are given tough cards. The NBA gave him the ticket out and he threw it away. Terrible role model waste of time.

perfect!

Couldnt think of a more insensitive and ignorant way to put it.

Its mind boggling how insensitive that comment that was and what an azzhole he is, yet for some reason he gets a pass. Disgusting!

He talked about his life experiences and where his perspective is coming from in a different post. Not how I feel about the situation but i haven't had the same life experiences.

The guy is struggling through life. Not everyone can deal with life as others do. To judge such a guy based on your own life experiences just makes you an idiot.

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

mreinman wrote:fuk him.

Wow dude just wow.. Poor taste I know you like to be the negative duche on this site but that's to far kid ... He's a family man with children .. Have some respect .

I think his post is in reference to Briggs thinking:

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=52616&page=2

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

mase14 wrote:Lamar had a tough life, his father was an addict also his baby died, he was involved in an accident in Queens where somebody died and recently one of his best friends died.

Hes a big time loser. Many people are given tough cards. The NBA gave him the ticket out and he threw it away. Terrible role model waste of time.

perfect!

Couldnt think of a more insensitive and ignorant way to put it.

Its mind boggling how insensitive that comment that was and what an azzhole he is, yet for some reason he gets a pass. Disgusting!

He talked about his life experiences and where his perspective is coming from in a different post. Not how I feel about the situation but i haven't had the same life experiences.

The guy is struggling through life. Not everyone can deal with life as others do. To judge such a guy based on your own life experiences just makes you an idiot.

The guy is a dad. I agree he is struggling. I want him to pull through and I ave a lt of respect for the guys that have come out and spoke highly about him as a friend and his character. But the guy is a dad that was in a brothel using cocaine. I can se where that might be unacceptable for some based on personal experiences.

of course being in a brothel and using cocaine is wrong (duh). Some people sink into depression and their lives sadly spiral out of control. Who the fuk are we to judge a guy struggling with depression and substance abuse? Do we know what went on in his life?

Saying that what someone did was wrong is one thing but to call him a big time loser and a waste of time because he did not cash in on his NBA easy street ticket? What a moronic and stupid statement.

Was robin williams a big time loser because he struggled with substance abuse and with life?

Mental health is not a freaking joke.

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

mreinman wrote:fuk him.

Wow dude just wow.. Poor taste I know you like to be the negative duche on this site but that's to far kid ... He's a family man with children .. Have some respect .

I think his post is in reference to Briggs thinking:

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=52616&page=2

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

mase14 wrote:Lamar had a tough life, his father was an addict also his baby died, he was involved in an accident in Queens where somebody died and recently one of his best friends died.

Hes a big time loser. Many people are given tough cards. The NBA gave him the ticket out and he threw it away. Terrible role model waste of time.

perfect!

Couldnt think of a more insensitive and ignorant way to put it.

Its mind boggling how insensitive that comment that was and what an azzhole he is, yet for some reason he gets a pass. Disgusting!

He talked about his life experiences and where his perspective is coming from in a different post. Not how I feel about the situation but i haven't had the same life experiences.

The guy is struggling through life. Not everyone can deal with life as others do. To judge such a guy based on your own life experiences just makes you an idiot.

The guy is a dad. I agree he is struggling. I want him to pull through and I ave a lt of respect for the guys that have come out and spoke highly about him as a friend and his character. But the guy is a dad that was in a brothel using cocaine. I can se where that might be unacceptable for some based on personal experiences.

of course being in a brothel and using cocaine is wrong (duh). Some people sink into depression and their lives sadly spiral out of control. Who the fuk are we to judge a guy struggling with depression and substance abuse? Do we know what went on in his life?

Saying that what someone did was wrong is one thing but to call him a big time loser and a waste of time because he did not cash in on his NBA easy street ticket? What a moronic and stupid statement.

Was robin williams a big time loser because he struggled with substance abuse and with life?

Mental health is not a freaking joke.

I am not saying it is. You seem to be having a war with Briggs. Briggs posted about his childhood and why he has strong negative feelings about addiction. Not my fight. I like Odom, have followed him since high school and want him to recover. People close to him paint the picture that he is an amazing guy with a tragic flaw. I think life experiences give people different perspectives. I try not to judge others too quickly.

you seem to be giving him a pass like many others have. whatever ... I don't get it.

I hope briggs does not have a child or a spouse that ever struggles with depression. He would probably kick the sh1t out of them until they stop.

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

mreinman wrote:fuk him.

Wow dude just wow.. Poor taste I know you like to be the negative duche on this site but that's to far kid ... He's a family man with children .. Have some respect .

I think his post is in reference to Briggs thinking:

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=52616&page=2

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

mase14 wrote:Lamar had a tough life, his father was an addict also his baby died, he was involved in an accident in Queens where somebody died and recently one of his best friends died.

Hes a big time loser. Many people are given tough cards. The NBA gave him the ticket out and he threw it away. Terrible role model waste of time.

perfect!

Couldnt think of a more insensitive and ignorant way to put it.

Its mind boggling how insensitive that comment that was and what an azzhole he is, yet for some reason he gets a pass. Disgusting!

He talked about his life experiences and where his perspective is coming from in a different post. Not how I feel about the situation but i haven't had the same life experiences.

The guy is struggling through life. Not everyone can deal with life as others do. To judge such a guy based on your own life experiences just makes you an idiot.

The guy is a dad. I agree he is struggling. I want him to pull through and I ave a lt of respect for the guys that have come out and spoke highly about him as a friend and his character. But the guy is a dad that was in a brothel using cocaine. I can se where that might be unacceptable for some based on personal experiences.

of course being in a brothel and using cocaine is wrong (duh). Some people sink into depression and their lives sadly spiral out of control. Who the fuk are we to judge a guy struggling with depression and substance abuse? Do we know what went on in his life?

Saying that what someone did was wrong is one thing but to call him a big time loser and a waste of time because he did not cash in on his NBA easy street ticket? What a moronic and stupid statement.

Was robin williams a big time loser because he struggled with substance abuse and with life?

Mental health is not a freaking joke.

I am not saying it is. You seem to be having a war with Briggs. Briggs posted about his childhood and why he has strong negative feelings about addiction. Not my fight. I like Odom, have followed him since high school and want him to recover. People close to him paint the picture that he is an amazing guy with a tragic flaw. I think life experiences give people different perspectives. I try not to judge others too quickly.

you seem to be giving him a pass like many others have. whatever ... I don't get it.

I hope briggs does not have a child or a spouse that ever struggles with depression. He would probably kick the sh1t out of them until they stop.

mreinman, I don't understand your posting throughout all of this. In this very thread you start out by posting "fuk him" and the only context to this is Lamar, so it seems like you are the very insensitive one. You don't really clarify it that but move on the criticize a post in another thread and keep mentioning that "yet for some reason he gets a pass". I don't know what you mean by "gets a pass". There are several posters that responded to BRIGGS about the sensitivity of depression, personal demons, etc. You only responded to BRIGGS by swearing at him and calling it disgusting.

These forums are about all of us and what we each contribute. There is no doubt that Andrew and I do not see all threads and all posts within those threads. We also feel that the community at large can help moderate the forums for us too. And I'd like to push this back onto you; if you feel something is out of line, and feel so adamant about expressing that, why don't you add your feelings on the subject in a way that is both informative and helpful? Dropping by and calling posters "azzhole" and "fuk him" is just about the opposite way of posting something constructive. If you want to "call someone out" do it with reason and information, not exasperation.

you are absolutely right. I acted out of emotion because I felt that briggs gets a pass for some reason to just say anything even if its brutally insensitive and ignorant (can you get more insensitive then saying that the guy is a big time loser and basically he deserves to die ...?).

Nobody should get a free pass no matter how long you are posting here. Wrong is wrong and everybody should be treated with the same respect.

Anyway, point taken.

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:you are absolutely right. I acted out of emotion because I felt that briggs gets a pass for some reason to just say anything even if its brutally insensitive and ignorant (can you get more insensitive then saying that the guy is a big time loser and basically he deserves to die ...?).

Nobody should get a free pass no matter how long you are posting here. Wrong is wrong and everybody should be treated with the same respect.

Anyway, point taken.

So help me understand what you mean by "gets a free pass". What does that mean to you? And how would you have handled it such that there is no free pass? Also, realistically, did you get a "free pass" in this thread by posting "fuk him" and what should we have done? BTW, I don't think BRIGGS posted anything close to your interpretation of "he deserved to die", that's you incorrectly reading into something. BRIGGS was understand the assumption that he was already dead.

I did not get a free pass at all and rightfully so since I was not clear that I was referring to the other Lamar Odom post.

BRIGGS wrote:

mase14 wrote:Lamar had a tough life, his father was an addict also his baby died, he was involved in an accident in Queens where somebody died and recently one of his best friends died.

Hes a big time loser. Many people are given tough cards. The NBA gave him the ticket out and he threw it away. Terrible role model waste of time.

Ok. maybe just plain horribly insensitive and terribly ignorant. I am assuming that if you saw this post that you would have called him out for it.

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:you are absolutely right. I acted out of emotion because I felt that briggs gets a pass for some reason to just say anything even if its brutally insensitive and ignorant (can you get more insensitive then saying that the guy is a big time loser and basically he deserves to die ...?).

Nobody should get a free pass no matter how long you are posting here. Wrong is wrong and everybody should be treated with the same respect.

Anyway, point taken.

So help me understand what you mean by "gets a free pass". What does that mean to you? And how would you have handled it such that there is no free pass? Also, realistically, did you get a "free pass" in this thread by posting "fuk him" and what should we have done? BTW, I don't think BRIGGS posted anything close to your interpretation of "he deserved to die", that's you incorrectly reading into something. BRIGGS was understand the assumption that he was already dead.

I did not get a free pass at all and rightfully so since I was not clear that I was referring to the other Lamar Odom post.

BRIGGS wrote:

mase14 wrote:Lamar had a tough life, his father was an addict also his baby died, he was involved in an accident in Queens where somebody died and recently one of his best friends died.

Hes a big time loser. Many people are given tough cards. The NBA gave him the ticket out and he threw it away. Terrible role model waste of time.

Ok. maybe just plain horribly insensitive and terribly ignorant. I am assuming that if you saw this post that you would have called him out for it.

A lot of other people had already done so, and with much better perspective than I could have given.

We should not see intentions behind other people mistakes.
Most of the time people cannot control their own mind and some unfortunately have no one around them to help.
When we hate people we became like those we hate and when we love people we became like those we love.
There is no reason to harm yourself by taking all this negative feelings in.
No matter what person Lamar was and what mistakes he committed I love him as human being and want him to get well.

blkexec wrote:Im glad im late to this party and didnt read Briggs post on Odom. I think people should be held accountable for their actions....

On a good note.....Odom is doing better and he should be in a good position to become a mentor and spread his testimony on life and addictions. This is what happens when you put your faith in man or things. Im hoping for a speedy recovery. The best way to heal is to expose yourself. Odom is now exposed. Time to heal.

what do you mean by the bolded?

blkexec wrote:

mreinman wrote:

blkexec wrote:Im glad im late to this party and didnt read Briggs post on Odom. I think people should be held accountable for their actions....

On a good note.....Odom is doing better and he should be in a good position to become a mentor and spread his testimony on life and addictions. This is what happens when you put your faith in man or things. Im hoping for a speedy recovery. The best way to heal is to expose yourself. Odom is now exposed. Time to heal.

what do you mean by the bolded?

You already spoke on that in multiple threads. We should all be held accountable for what we say and what we mean. Sometimes in this social media era.....we hit enter too quick. But we have the platform to restate what we mean. You said something foul then restated what you meant as an example. But in general we should all own up to what we say and our peers should hold us accountable. At the same time we cant judge. The only judge is your higher power.

Agree for the most part and as fans we have a right to judge what we think about a player or about how they carry themselves in regards to professionalism. However, we should not be judging people who are struggling with different aspects of life and are dealing with things like depression and addictions.

Who the hell are we to say "you should not be depressed", "you should not be drinking", "you are an idiot for committing suicide", "you were molested or raped? Suck it up! We all have tough lives, handle it you loser!". This is ignorance at the worst levels.

mreinman wrote:

blkexec wrote:

mreinman wrote:

blkexec wrote:Im glad im late to this party and didnt read Briggs post on Odom. I think people should be held accountable for their actions....

On a good note.....Odom is doing better and he should be in a good position to become a mentor and spread his testimony on life and addictions. This is what happens when you put your faith in man or things. Im hoping for a speedy recovery. The best way to heal is to expose yourself. Odom is now exposed. Time to heal.

what do you mean by the bolded?

You already spoke on that in multiple threads. We should all be held accountable for what we say and what we mean. Sometimes in this social media era.....we hit enter too quick. But we have the platform to restate what we mean. You said something foul then restated what you meant as an example. But in general we should all own up to what we say and our peers should hold us accountable. At the same time we cant judge. The only judge is your higher power.

Agree for the most part and as fans we have a right to judge what we think about a player or about how they carry themselves in regards to professionalism. However, we should not be judging people who are struggling with different aspects of life and are dealing with things like depression and addictions.

Who the hell are we to say "you should not be depressed", "you should not be drinking", "you are an idiot for committing suicide", "you were molested or raped? Suck it up! We all have tough lives, handle it you loser!". This is ignorance at the worst levels.

Exactly... And before blaming others look at yourself.
Are you an angel? Are you all thoughts and deads clear?
As Bible said

"Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.