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mase14
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10/14/2015  9:43 AM
This is about dude showing commitment on the defensive side and asking coaches to hold him accountable in front of teammates.What does that have to do with shooting the ball.?
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10/14/2015  10:51 AM
To me this article is actually both good and bad...
Good that he wants to be held accountable and recognizes his defense is not top notch.
Bad that he needs anyone else to prod him along as a leader... film is available... spend some more time on that, why does a true leader need anyone else to hold him accountable?

hopefully mid season this is not even a question and he's already taken to it like a duck to water with zero support from coaching staff.

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10/14/2015  12:14 PM
He wants coaches to be accountable for his bad defense for the first time in his career? Karl called him out repeatedly during his tenure in Denver.

What a joke. He should be accountable for himself. He should be critical of himself like a true superstar is. Just put any tape of yourself in the last 12 years:

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10/14/2015  1:04 PM
I don't see what the big deal is. So what if he wants coaches to hold him accountable and call him out? Isn't that what players should want? Wasn't that a big complaint from last year, that too many times players weren't being held accountable for their mistakes? I think people are looking too deep into this for no real reason.
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10/14/2015  1:06 PM
Tired of the Melo debate at this point. Dude is clearly our best player and we need him in order to win. Picking at his game at this point seems a bit too much. He's clearly trying to make this work as best as he can. All the evidence so far is of a guy who wants to help this team win and is FULLY bought in.

From what it looks like to me Melo is doing more in the flow of the offense. Melo is trying on D. So really I don't see any reason for alarm. The tough regular season schedule will be a real test of how well all of this is working out. So far tho the team seems to be working hard and coming together. No complaints.

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10/14/2015  1:09 PM
holfresh wrote:
tj23 wrote:I'm with EinMan. I do believe Melo WANTS to win but he still has to prove he can adapt his game. Everybody looks good when they are red hot. When he is ice cold how will he respond? Will he try to attack the rim more to open up for others? Try to draw more fouls? Or will he play very passive and let others try to score? Will he continue to jack up shots? And will he try to get more points from triangle actions or just take the ball when he wants and try to ISO?

What shooter in the history of the game stop shooting when they are "off"??..If Melo is "off", who do you want shooting the ball?

unfortunately for us, I think that Melo thinks exactly like you. If not me, who else? Puke ... its probably why he is labeled as a selfish player.

everyone one has defenders for anything that they do ... so be it.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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10/14/2015  1:37 PM
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:
tj23 wrote:I'm with EinMan. I do believe Melo WANTS to win but he still has to prove he can adapt his game. Everybody looks good when they are red hot. When he is ice cold how will he respond? Will he try to attack the rim more to open up for others? Try to draw more fouls? Or will he play very passive and let others try to score? Will he continue to jack up shots? And will he try to get more points from triangle actions or just take the ball when he wants and try to ISO?

What shooter in the history of the game stop shooting when they are "off"??..If Melo is "off", who do you want shooting the ball?

unfortunately for us, I think that Melo thinks exactly like you. If not me, who else? Puke ... its probably why he is labeled as a selfish player.

everyone one has defenders for anything that they do ... so be it.

I'd be willing to bet that Melo is pretty comfortable at this point with other guys taking shots, especially when AA gets involved. AA, KP and Calderon are guys I think he feels pretty confident with in terms of taking shots. And if RoLo keeps knocking down those uncontested 'jumpers', I'd be willing to bet that he feels pretty good about that as well. When you're cold, you don't just stop taking shots, you just don't chuck up as many as you normally would when you're hot or even just average. If you just stop altogether, then that puts more pressure on your other guys in terms of the opposing defense. It's pretty much just common sense. I think Melo has a lot more confidence in these guys than he's had in the past couple of years.
As far as his assists go, I don't think we're going to see a big spike in his numbers, and not because he's 'selfish'. The idea of the offense is to not be scared to take an open shot if you have it when the ball lands in your hands. If he has an open shot, he'll take it, and he damn well SHOULD take it. If he's doubled or tripled, well Melo has shown many times in the past that he can even make those shots or at least draw a foul while trying. But in those cases, this time around, I wouldn't be surprised to see him kick it out to someone else more often, AS LONG AS THE OTHER GUYS ARE MOVING. That has been a major problem in recent years. Melo gets doubled or tripled, and the other guys are just standing around watching, like 'uhhhh, am I supposed to be doing something right now?'. What do you want him to do? Try to make a pass that's going to get picked off? The other guys have to come for the ball - there's a groundbreaking concept for you - and I'm pretty sure he'll make an attempt to get it to them.

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10/14/2015  1:41 PM
herkyJerky wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:
tj23 wrote:I'm with EinMan. I do believe Melo WANTS to win but he still has to prove he can adapt his game. Everybody looks good when they are red hot. When he is ice cold how will he respond? Will he try to attack the rim more to open up for others? Try to draw more fouls? Or will he play very passive and let others try to score? Will he continue to jack up shots? And will he try to get more points from triangle actions or just take the ball when he wants and try to ISO?

What shooter in the history of the game stop shooting when they are "off"??..If Melo is "off", who do you want shooting the ball?

unfortunately for us, I think that Melo thinks exactly like you. If not me, who else? Puke ... its probably why he is labeled as a selfish player.

everyone one has defenders for anything that they do ... so be it.

I'd be willing to bet that Melo is pretty comfortable at this point with other guys taking shots, especially when AA gets involved. AA, KP and Calderon are guys I think he feels pretty confident with in terms of taking shots. And if RoLo keeps knocking down those uncontested 'jumpers', I'd be willing to bet that he feels pretty good about that as well. When you're cold, you don't just stop taking shots, you just don't chuck up as many as you normally would when you're hot or even just average. If you just stop altogether, then that puts more pressure on your other guys in terms of the opposing defense. It's pretty much just common sense. I think Melo has a lot more confidence in these guys than he's had in the past couple of years.
As far as his assists go, I don't think we're going to see a big spike in his numbers, and not because he's 'selfish'. The idea of the offense is to not be scared to take an open shot if you have it when the ball lands in your hands. If he has an open shot, he'll take it, and he damn well SHOULD take it. If he's doubled or tripled, well Melo has shown many times in the past that he can even make those shots or at least draw a foul while trying. But in those cases, this time around, I wouldn't be surprised to see him kick it out to someone else more often, AS LONG AS THE OTHER GUYS ARE MOVING. That has been a major problem in recent years. Melo gets doubled or tripled, and the other guys are just standing around watching, like 'uhhhh, am I supposed to be doing something right now?'. What do you want him to do? Try to make a pass that's going to get picked off? The other guys have to come for the ball - there's a groundbreaking concept for you - and I'm pretty sure he'll make an attempt to get it to them.

stop chucking as much when you are cold would be a good start.

I think that people just don't understand the way that Melo thinks

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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10/14/2015  1:55 PM
mreinman wrote:
herkyJerky wrote:
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:
tj23 wrote:I'm with EinMan. I do believe Melo WANTS to win but he still has to prove he can adapt his game. Everybody looks good when they are red hot. When he is ice cold how will he respond? Will he try to attack the rim more to open up for others? Try to draw more fouls? Or will he play very passive and let others try to score? Will he continue to jack up shots? And will he try to get more points from triangle actions or just take the ball when he wants and try to ISO?

What shooter in the history of the game stop shooting when they are "off"??..If Melo is "off", who do you want shooting the ball?

unfortunately for us, I think that Melo thinks exactly like you. If not me, who else? Puke ... its probably why he is labeled as a selfish player.

everyone one has defenders for anything that they do ... so be it.

I'd be willing to bet that Melo is pretty comfortable at this point with other guys taking shots, especially when AA gets involved. AA, KP and Calderon are guys I think he feels pretty confident with in terms of taking shots. And if RoLo keeps knocking down those uncontested 'jumpers', I'd be willing to bet that he feels pretty good about that as well. When you're cold, you don't just stop taking shots, you just don't chuck up as many as you normally would when you're hot or even just average. If you just stop altogether, then that puts more pressure on your other guys in terms of the opposing defense. It's pretty much just common sense. I think Melo has a lot more confidence in these guys than he's had in the past couple of years.
As far as his assists go, I don't think we're going to see a big spike in his numbers, and not because he's 'selfish'. The idea of the offense is to not be scared to take an open shot if you have it when the ball lands in your hands. If he has an open shot, he'll take it, and he damn well SHOULD take it. If he's doubled or tripled, well Melo has shown many times in the past that he can even make those shots or at least draw a foul while trying. But in those cases, this time around, I wouldn't be surprised to see him kick it out to someone else more often, AS LONG AS THE OTHER GUYS ARE MOVING. That has been a major problem in recent years. Melo gets doubled or tripled, and the other guys are just standing around watching, like 'uhhhh, am I supposed to be doing something right now?'. What do you want him to do? Try to make a pass that's going to get picked off? The other guys have to come for the ball - there's a groundbreaking concept for you - and I'm pretty sure he'll make an attempt to get it to them.

stop chucking as much when you are cold would be a good start.

I think that people just don't understand the way that Melo thinks

prob the same folks that find it old and tiring that posters act like they understand what Melo is thinking

If Melo has a good shooting game people say "when his shot is falling he doesnt do anything else to help the team win" and when he grabs a dozen boards and has 3 steals... they say exactly the same thing.

I love it when the great basketball minds of UK simply cant understand how the best scorer on the team gets the most shots. Funny.

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10/14/2015  2:19 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/14/2015  2:21 PM
-Trying on defense
-healthy
-Leadership- off season
-passing the ball more
-Trying to improve

I have been very impressed myself;however, I am still in the boat with Reinman and ChuckBuck. When his shot is off, what is he going to do that can positively impact the team? It is common knowledge that every player has crappy shooting nights here and there, I want to see how Melo responds to in game situations when he shot is off. Is he going to start passing the ball a lot more? Is he going to try and rebound the ball a lot more? Play great defense? Or is he going to try and get to the line? More importantly, can he do some of these things on a regular basis? If Melo can do all of these things when he his shot is off, then we have a new and top 5 player on our hands.

It is not impossible. We see guys like Butler, Harden, Curry, Lebron, Durant do it. Melo's talent level is on par with these guys, so I have confidence if he dedicated to improve upon these aspects of his game he can become a top 3 player.

Nevertheless, kudos to Melo for what has done so far. Lets see how he does moving forward this preseason and how it translate into the regular season and hopefully the playoffs.

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10/15/2015  3:10 AM
Papabear Says

I have been very busy finishing up 3 albums this year and didn't have time to post. Now I take a peek and it's the same old same old Melo Bashers. I have just one thing to say. With out Melo we got no team. The season has not begun KProniz is down. He even got injured during the workouts that we had with him. You better worry about that because Jackson bet the future on KP. The Melo haters will never give Melo a thumbs up no matter what he does. They talk about him doing other things. They need to worry about the other player that Phil Jackson brought in. If this team stink this season and Melo have to go out of his way to do all of the extra things the hater complain about he will probably get injured and since we really have no scorers we may be headed to another 17 game win season. Stay off of Melo and start worring about the other players and especally our first round pick who is ????? oh yes injured again.

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10/15/2015  8:11 AM
holfresh wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
tj23 wrote:I'm with EinMan. I do believe Melo WANTS to win but he still has to prove he can adapt his game. Everybody looks good when they are red hot. When he is ice cold how will he respond? Will he try to attack the rim more to open up for others? Try to draw more fouls? Or will he play very passive and let others try to score? Will he continue to jack up shots? And will he try to get more points from triangle actions or just take the ball when he wants and try to ISO?

Getting to the line??? WTH>>>> he took more FT's then anyone on the knicks roster last season, and only played half the seaosn.

How many scorers you know that doesn't jack up a few ill advised shots, even MJ took a bunch of questionable shots in his career.

I think the guy has brought in, much more than the MDA ERA, or Woodson. You never going to get any 13 yr vet to completely transform his game. He's making a 124 million for playing the way he plays.

MJ also hit 50% of his shots for his entire career, eclipsing over 50% 6 times in his career. Melo never shot 50% or better in his 12 year career.

When you have shown efficiency, you have carte blanche and take a contested shot or heat checks once in awhile. Melo hasn't demonstrated that yet in 12 years. He's averaged 20 shot attempts or more for his career, but never converted half.

Hopefully he demonstrates better shot selection this season.

You shoot a higher percentage based on the talent around you..Melo shoots 47% the first 17 sec of the shot clock and 38% the last 7 sec when the team look for him to bail them out...Look up LeBron stats and note his percentages changes as he played with different caliber of talent..

that's because when he gets the ball with 14-15 seconds left he often holds it for 5-7 seconds. by contrast, if the ball doesn't stick it finds its way to someone with a better shot opportunity. again, when the ball sticks it promotes rushed-- and lower-percentage-- shots.

basketball 101.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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10/15/2015  10:44 AM
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
tj23 wrote:I'm with EinMan. I do believe Melo WANTS to win but he still has to prove he can adapt his game. Everybody looks good when they are red hot. When he is ice cold how will he respond? Will he try to attack the rim more to open up for others? Try to draw more fouls? Or will he play very passive and let others try to score? Will he continue to jack up shots? And will he try to get more points from triangle actions or just take the ball when he wants and try to ISO?

Getting to the line??? WTH>>>> he took more FT's then anyone on the knicks roster last season, and only played half the seaosn.

How many scorers you know that doesn't jack up a few ill advised shots, even MJ took a bunch of questionable shots in his career.

I think the guy has brought in, much more than the MDA ERA, or Woodson. You never going to get any 13 yr vet to completely transform his game. He's making a 124 million for playing the way he plays.

MJ also hit 50% of his shots for his entire career, eclipsing over 50% 6 times in his career. Melo never shot 50% or better in his 12 year career.

When you have shown efficiency, you have carte blanche and take a contested shot or heat checks once in awhile. Melo hasn't demonstrated that yet in 12 years. He's averaged 20 shot attempts or more for his career, but never converted half.

Hopefully he demonstrates better shot selection this season.

You shoot a higher percentage based on the talent around you..Melo shoots 47% the first 17 sec of the shot clock and 38% the last 7 sec when the team look for him to bail them out...Look up LeBron stats and note his percentages changes as he played with different caliber of talent..

that's because when he gets the ball with 14-15 seconds left he often holds it for 5-7 seconds. by contrast, if the ball doesn't stick it finds its way to someone with a better shot opportunity. again, when the ball sticks it promotes rushed-- and lower-percentage-- shots.

basketball 101.

You've seen lots of all-star caliber geniuses running off beautiful screens and cuts and being wide open all the time do you? All I've seen and read about historically are the morons standing around and then dribbling off their feet when they get the ball. More recently, I've even read someone posting about how DFish abandoned trying to get his players to run the triangle. Gee, most be Melonoma's fault. And wasn't that one of Melo's teammates saying he was "getting lost in the triangle"?

Well, what do you know, one of the most prolific scorers in recent NBA history is a ball hog. Imagine that. But of course, the caliber and BB IQ of those he's played with is also his fault, right?

By golly, the STUPID DOUCHE went 5-5 from the line, too.

Open your eyes, Professor.

Melo has impressed me

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