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gunsnewing
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10/7/2015  1:19 PM
So because GS won and beat a the Cavs who were missing Kevin Love it means that their way is the only way to win a championship?

How did The Spurs, Heat, Dallas, Boston, LA and Detroit win then? Some of those teams won multiple rings. You need superstar players and you need to defend at a high level. Case closed. Im sick and tired of hearing how the GS way is the only way to win today. When they win multiple rings then we can talk

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mreinman
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10/7/2015  1:32 PM
gunsnewing wrote:So because GS won and beat a the Cavs who were missing Kevin Love it means that their way is the only way to win a championship?

How did The Spurs, Heat, Dallas, Boston, LA and Detroit win then? Some of those teams won multiple rings. You need superstar players and you need to defend at a high level. Case closed. Im sick and tired of hearing how the GS way is the only way to win today. When they win multiple rings then we can talk

who says that it is the only way to win? There are many variables needed to win.

the question is, does a team who shoots lots of 3's efficiently have a statistical edge (all things being equal)? Of course they do. Can that be trumped by better players? Of course it can be.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
WaltLongmire
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10/7/2015  2:25 PM
mreinman wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
Dagger wrote:Is watching your team chuck 3 after 3 really that fun to watch?

No...its not, but he will try to convince you it is anyway.

Noah is now on the top of the key making passes and taking 3s. Will be fun to watch...no?

speak for yourself please. Don't tell others what is fun for them to watch.


Did speak for myself, and I recall you being critical of posters who question this style and you scoff at any kind of old school offensive strategy or player usage.

If you give, you know you have to get.

Phil Jackson is right...it can be a very boring style of play which seems to cater to players who have played in simplified systems in college or HS and are not able to make decisions on their own. The best teams seem to use hybrid systems. Of course I want to have guys getting and hitting open 3's, but there is more to the game than that, and hopefully we can see a balanced and flexible offense which can adapt to situations and not become too predictable.

EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
mreinman
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10/7/2015  2:28 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:
mreinman wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
Dagger wrote:Is watching your team chuck 3 after 3 really that fun to watch?

No...its not, but he will try to convince you it is anyway.

Noah is now on the top of the key making passes and taking 3s. Will be fun to watch...no?

speak for yourself please. Don't tell others what is fun for them to watch.


Did speak for myself, and I recall you being critical of posters who question this style and you scoff at any kind of old school offensive strategy or player usage.

If you give, you know you have to get.

Phil Jackson is right...it can be a very boring style of play which seems to cater to players who have played in simplified systems in college or HS and are not able to make decisions on their own. The best teams seem to use hybrid systems. Of course I want to have guys getting and hitting open 3's, but there is more to the game than that, and hopefully we can see a balanced and flexible offense which can adapt to situations and not become too predictable.

by balanced, I would like to see a balance of 3's and shots at the rim. Getting loads of shots from 20 feet I hope is not in the equation (again).

so here is what phil is thinking ....
H1AND1
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10/7/2015  2:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/7/2015  2:49 PM
Dagger wrote:Is watching your team chuck 3 after 3 really that fun to watch?

Its fun when a team wins. If raining 3's brings the W's then hell yeah it'll be fun to watch if you are a Bulls fan.

WaltLongmire
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10/7/2015  4:03 PM
mreinman wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
mreinman wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
Dagger wrote:Is watching your team chuck 3 after 3 really that fun to watch?

No...its not, but he will try to convince you it is anyway.

Noah is now on the top of the key making passes and taking 3s. Will be fun to watch...no?

speak for yourself please. Don't tell others what is fun for them to watch.


Did speak for myself, and I recall you being critical of posters who question this style and you scoff at any kind of old school offensive strategy or player usage.

If you give, you know you have to get.

Phil Jackson is right...it can be a very boring style of play which seems to cater to players who have played in simplified systems in college or HS and are not able to make decisions on their own. The best teams seem to use hybrid systems. Of course I want to have guys getting and hitting open 3's, but there is more to the game than that, and hopefully we can see a balanced and flexible offense which can adapt to situations and not become too predictable.

by balanced, I would like to see a balance of 3's and shots at the rim. Getting loads of shots from 20 feet I hope is not in the equation (again).


The shots right near the 3pt line are problematic, since I have to think that the shooting % would be close to shooting a 3 but not as rewarding.

I think Phil brought in Sasha Vujacic for this reason, as well as his Triangle experience, and I would hope that Galloway is more of a 3 pt shooter this year.

Been watching some clips of Galloway and trying to figure out if he has changed his shooting motion at all. Seems like there is less arm swing in his shot- less hitch, I suppose...at least from some of the clips I've seen. Might be my eyes, though.

I actually expect to see some offensive changes, but it is nothing they're going to make a big deal about. KP, Vujacic, Calderon, Gallo, and Aflalo are all more than capable shooting the 3.

EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
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10/7/2015  6:26 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/7/2015  6:28 PM
Much better than watching someone as talented as Myles Turner jack up shots JUST inside the 3pt line. Ridiculous how people love watching inefficiency. I wish we had Hoiberg, I think he could tailor the triangle to bring out the most efficient plays. Watching Iowa State last year was awesome.
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