blkexec wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

blkexec wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:we have the best frontcourt to never play a game together in a regular season yes.

That's taking the easy way out. Of course they haven't played a game yet. This is where we get to see your talent evaluation skills. How do you actually see this group of bigs performing this year based on their talent, skills and fit together? Do they have the needed skills and BB IQ for this system and will that enhance their abilities? Relative to other teams how do you think they stack up. Come on! Put some work into it.

i haven't really seen quinn dwill kp play. i have seen some of seraphin's games and i honestly think he has the potential to be great and an all-star. if he's in the starting lineup, i have hope for the frontcourt.

reserving judgment till the season is underway. talent evaluation in scrimmage and summer league is hardly that.
it's about team chemistry also and who knows what will happen with that when the season begins.

who knows what will happen with that when the season begins.

You can say the same thing after the season begins. Nobody knows how this story ends until the season is over.

Unfortunately, thats part of the reason why people use these threads. Discuss their predictions before.....analysis during.....and post analysis after.

But I think we have the potential to be the best front court, at least on paper. I think we can matchup with any teams front court in the NBA, which is something we haven't said since Patrick Ewing. But Lopez is only 1 injury away from dropping that best front court prediction.

Rolo is getting the Tyson chandler treatment. He's becoming a tad overrated. We definately need him but the Knicks have Seraphin, O'Quinn, Kristaps and even Lou to fall back on if he did get hurt. God forbid of course but this brings me back to the strength we have on this team.

I like Seraphin....I'm a big fan. I never seen O'Quinn plan, but he's from Queens, so by default I like him. KP isn't ready to play defense at center. Lopez is the only legit 7 footer on the team that can hold his own in the paint, as a shot blocker. Seraphin and O'Quinn will block shots, but Lopez is a little taller and gets credit for missed layups as well, because of his length. This is just my personal prediction that Lopez (just like Chandler was) are key rim protectors. When they go down, we bring in guys that can score better on offense, but gives up more points on defense. Again, just my prediction based on what we have on paper. Would like to see how the team looks when Lopez is out the game.

2013-14
Player	         Team	Age	Pos	GP	G	FREQ	DFGM	DFGA	DFG%	FG%	Diff%
Roy Hibbert	 IND	27	C	81	81	100.0%	5.9	13.9	42.5	47.8	-5.3
Andrew Bogut	 GSW	29	C	66	66	100.0%	4.9	11.3	43.2	48.0	-4.8
Robin Lopez	 POR	26	C	82	82	100.0%	6.9	15.9	43.3	47.8	-4.5
Joakim Noah	 CHI	29	C	80	80	100.0%	6.8	15.6	43.5	47.1	-3.6
Tim Duncan	 SAS	38	F	74	74	100.0%	5.8	13.0	44.8	48.2	-3.4
Serge Ibaka	 OKC	24	F-C	81	81	100.0%	6.7	15.2	43.9	47.2	-3.2
Timofey Mozgov	 DEN	27	C	82	82	100.0%	4.8	10.8	44.6	47.6	-3.0
Anthony Davis	 NOP	21	F-C	66	66	100.0%	6.2	14.2	43.7	46.4	-2.7
DeAndre Jordan	 LAC	25	C	82	82	100.0%	7.6	16.4	46.0	48.1	-2.1
Kyle O'Quinn	 ORL	24	F	63	63	100.0%	3.3	7.7	42.7	46.3	-3.6

martin wrote:I love the upside potential of the bigs on the Knicks, especially considering their ages.

I don't know too much about Seraphin but the praise I am reading is interesting. Wish he was on the Knicks under a multi-year deal.

exactly this but the dude is also smart and knows more money is coming. he's going to get serious mins and he knows he could add 7-8 million per year in salary by performing at a high level just this year alone.

i am going total dk7th on this but he also feels like a guy who would click with melo.

nixluva wrote:

blkexec wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

blkexec wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:we have the best frontcourt to never play a game together in a regular season yes.

That's taking the easy way out. Of course they haven't played a game yet. This is where we get to see your talent evaluation skills. How do you actually see this group of bigs performing this year based on their talent, skills and fit together? Do they have the needed skills and BB IQ for this system and will that enhance their abilities? Relative to other teams how do you think they stack up. Come on! Put some work into it.

i haven't really seen quinn dwill kp play. i have seen some of seraphin's games and i honestly think he has the potential to be great and an all-star. if he's in the starting lineup, i have hope for the frontcourt.

reserving judgment till the season is underway. talent evaluation in scrimmage and summer league is hardly that.
it's about team chemistry also and who knows what will happen with that when the season begins.

who knows what will happen with that when the season begins.

You can say the same thing after the season begins. Nobody knows how this story ends until the season is over.

Unfortunately, thats part of the reason why people use these threads. Discuss their predictions before.....analysis during.....and post analysis after.

But I think we have the potential to be the best front court, at least on paper. I think we can matchup with any teams front court in the NBA, which is something we haven't said since Patrick Ewing. But Lopez is only 1 injury away from dropping that best front court prediction.

Rolo is getting the Tyson chandler treatment. He's becoming a tad overrated. We definately need him but the Knicks have Seraphin, O'Quinn, Kristaps and even Lou to fall back on if he did get hurt. God forbid of course but this brings me back to the strength we have on this team.

I like Seraphin....I'm a big fan. I never seen O'Quinn plan, but he's from Queens, so by default I like him. KP isn't ready to play defense at center. Lopez is the only legit 7 footer on the team that can hold his own in the paint, as a shot blocker. Seraphin and O'Quinn will block shots, but Lopez is a little taller and gets credit for missed layups as well, because of his length. This is just my personal prediction that Lopez (just like Chandler was) are key rim protectors. When they go down, we bring in guys that can score better on offense, but gives up more points on defense. Again, just my prediction based on what we have on paper. Would like to see how the team looks when Lopez is out the game.

O'Quinn is the closest thing to RoLo in terms of a paint presence, which says a lot about him given his size. He's better than some realize as a rim protector. Just for comparison against some of the best rim protectors a couple of years ago, you can see that O'Quinn wasn't bad. The last column in the chart below is the one that shows the defensive impact on FG%. O'Quinn's -3.6 FG% is very good. It means O'Quinn is altering shots inside.

2013-14
Player	         Team	Age	Pos	GP	G	FREQ	DFGM	DFGA	DFG%	FG%	Diff%
Roy Hibbert	 IND	27	C	81	81	100.0%	5.9	13.9	42.5	47.8	-5.3
Andrew Bogut	 GSW	29	C	66	66	100.0%	4.9	11.3	43.2	48.0	-4.8
Robin Lopez	 POR	26	C	82	82	100.0%	6.9	15.9	43.3	47.8	-4.5
Joakim Noah	 CHI	29	C	80	80	100.0%	6.8	15.6	43.5	47.1	-3.6
Tim Duncan	 SAS	38	F	74	74	100.0%	5.8	13.0	44.8	48.2	-3.4
Serge Ibaka	 OKC	24	F-C	81	81	100.0%	6.7	15.2	43.9	47.2	-3.2
Timofey Mozgov	 DEN	27	C	82	82	100.0%	4.8	10.8	44.6	47.6	-3.0
Anthony Davis	 NOP	21	F-C	66	66	100.0%	6.2	14.2	43.7	46.4	-2.7
DeAndre Jordan	 LAC	25	C	82	82	100.0%	7.6	16.4	46.0	48.1	-2.1
Kyle O'Quinn	 ORL	24	F	63	63	100.0%	3.3	7.7	42.7	46.3	-3.6

nix, where do you get such a chart?

Also, the biggest difference between O'Quinn and all of the others is that O'Quinn came off the bench and probably played an average of 10-15 minutes less than the others, that's significant.

There are so many good stats out there but I think they should all be adjusted for players who don't start, or adjusted for how much percentage of time they play against starters as a whole, not just starting 5 players but starters in general. O'Quinn averaged 20 minutes that year and came off the bench, so you can assume he played against lesser competition, which would equate to inflated stats compared with the rest of the group.

KP will adapt to the NBA quicker than Fisher will as a coach. I think KP might come on slow, but if he's healthy, he will be in the running for rookie of the year! He might come in second place, but he will be in the discussion. There's too much talk about him vs Dirk / Pau.....or......if he's going to start or not. Even as a Steve Novak role, KP will impact the game in his rookie year.

blkexec wrote:

martin wrote:I love the upside potential of the bigs on the Knicks, especially considering their ages.

I don't know too much about Seraphin but the praise I am reading is interesting. Wish he was on the Knicks under a multi-year deal.

I live in Maryland, so I've seen and heard about Seraphin more than most knick fans. I've also met him in person. His biggest issue is he has the skills to be a starter, and he's always trying to prove it, when he comes in the game. The problem with that he tends to play outside of the team system / strategy. He's a great two way player. But I don't think he's 6'10 without shoes. So when he goes up against taller centers, he has a difficult time. But he's a great help defender and blind side shotblocker. The problem is he wants to be a scorer as well, so he just needs to figure out what we need and how he can impact. I believe his best position is PF.....eventhough he can play center, whenever we play small ball. Thats the other problem. This might sound strange, but I think we have too much flexibility, which makes Fisher the weak link. Can he put Seraphin and others in the right positions to succeed? We have 9 PF's that can either play SF or Center. Thats great for a veteran coach. But for a young coach, it's almost easier if everybody has a defined role, like GS has.

i hear you and the pressure is definitely ON on fisher. but i like seraphin compared to rolo on both sides of the court. although...triangle wise rolo seems like a better fit.
as long as seraphin listens to fisher, he will be fine... else he knows he has millions to lose.
2012-13 season, < 22 mins per game, 46% shooting, 9.1 points, 70% FT shooting, 4.4 rebounds

martin wrote:

blkexec wrote:

martin wrote:I love the upside potential of the bigs on the Knicks, especially considering their ages.

I don't know too much about Seraphin but the praise I am reading is interesting. Wish he was on the Knicks under a multi-year deal.

I live in Maryland, so I've seen and heard about Seraphin more than most knick fans. I've also met him in person. His biggest issue is he has the skills to be a starter, and he's always trying to prove it, when he comes in the game. The problem with that he tends to play outside of the team system / strategy. He's a great two way player. But I don't think he's 6'10 without shoes. So when he goes up against taller centers, he has a difficult time. But he's a great help defender and blind side shotblocker. The problem is he wants to be a scorer as well, so he just needs to figure out what we need and how he can impact. I believe his best position is PF.....eventhough he can play center, whenever we play small ball. Thats the other problem. This might sound strange, but I think we have too much flexibility, which makes Fisher the weak link. Can he put Seraphin and others in the right positions to succeed? We have 9 PF's that can either play SF or Center. Thats great for a veteran coach. But for a young coach, it's almost easier if everybody has a defined role, like GS has.

I like a starting rotation of: Lopez, Seraphin, Melo, AA, Grant/Jose. You have 2 post players in Melo and Seraphin, solid front court, shooters to space on the wings.

OQuinn, KP, DWill, Gallo, Grant/Jose as a second unit is decent too.

I agree....Since Seraphin only signed a 1 year contract, he's looking for a starting gig. We would be the first team to offer him a starting role, and maybe have an under the table contract extension. But I like Seraphin as the PF on defense.....but I rather have Melo as the starting PF on offense. See my dilemma. Melo might turn into a 3 pt jump shooter with Serphin and Lopez in the paint. Seraphin and KP would be nice. KP and Lopez would be nice. You can almost pick any combination of PF / center and it will look nice on paper. Most people might disagree, but I like D.Will and Lopez. Because D.Will is like Melo....He can play SF or PF.

With Melo, I think it's better to have a PF who can play SF. Players like D.Will, KP are perfect. That way Melo will have room to operate on offense, and guard the slower but stronger PF on defense. Can D.Will and KP guard NBA SF's? I think so, just because of KP's length. D.Will is 6'8 so he shold be able to guard SF's.

Melo, Seraphin, Lopez is a great front line. I would like to see how that works on offense and in transistion.

I think the perfect lineup is when you can add rim protection, rebounds and speed.....Thats where KP and Lopez combination works the best. But Seraphin's offense from the outside will be key to him crowding the paint. I don't think the coaching staff want Seraphin shooting long 2's......KP would spread the floor or take it down low.

WaltLongmire wrote:Most interesting front court we've had in a long time, and it's a pretty young group.

We should not get outmuscled very often, and I'm looking forward to seeing if we can bully some of the smaller lineups we face.

Seems to me that we have a lot of flexibility in the front court, and should be able to match up with most lineups thrown at us.

Not sure it is one of the best in the league, but it gives me a lot of optimism.

What you described sounds like one of the best. I say show your tits and earn your beads!

WaltLongmire wrote:

martin wrote:

blkexec wrote:

martin wrote:I love the upside potential of the bigs on the Knicks, especially considering their ages.

I don't know too much about Seraphin but the praise I am reading is interesting. Wish he was on the Knicks under a multi-year deal.

I live in Maryland, so I've seen and heard about Seraphin more than most knick fans. I've also met him in person. His biggest issue is he has the skills to be a starter, and he's always trying to prove it, when he comes in the game. The problem with that he tends to play outside of the team system / strategy. He's a great two way player. But I don't think he's 6'10 without shoes. So when he goes up against taller centers, he has a difficult time. But he's a great help defender and blind side shotblocker. The problem is he wants to be a scorer as well, so he just needs to figure out what we need and how he can impact. I believe his best position is PF.....eventhough he can play center, whenever we play small ball. Thats the other problem. This might sound strange, but I think we have too much flexibility, which makes Fisher the weak link. Can he put Seraphin and others in the right positions to succeed? We have 9 PF's that can either play SF or Center. Thats great for a veteran coach. But for a young coach, it's almost easier if everybody has a defined role, like GS has.

I like a starting rotation of: Lopez, Seraphin, Melo, AA, Grant/Jose. You have 2 post players in Melo and Seraphin, solid front court, shooters to space on the wings.

OQuinn, KP, DWill, Gallo, Grant/Jose as a second unit is decent too.

My gut feeling is that a frontline of Lopez, Seraphin, and Melo would work OK on offense, but I'm not sure Seraphin is a guy you want guarding someone on the perimeter. I like having "power" in a power forward, but they also have to guard quicker PFs these days, so you need a versatile player at the position.

Not even sure how O'Quinn does as a defender against quicker PFs. KP, Williams, and Anthony, if you want him there, are quick enough to guard some of the faster PFs.

I have no issue with situational starters...not sure how common it is, or has been, though.

It works both ways. The small players have to guard the big guys. The nba today is too soft. I would welcome Seraphin, melo and Rolo starting. Punish teams for trying to copy golden states copy of Dantoni offense. Then play small and run them off the court. Then go big again.

Go knicks