I expect the interior defense to be much improved. 3pt defense will be very important as our new improved frontcourt should encourage teams to shoot more 3s.

Overall Im excited about this season. Not excited about paying for F'%#%%^ league pass, but Im excited about this team possibly taking a big step forward. I dont expect the Knicks to get to the ECF unless Porzingis plays lights out. Otherwise, I would still be happy to watch the Knicks make the playoffs and represent again. Would like to see the Knicks make any team that knocks them out of the playoffs really earn it.

TPercy wrote:

mreinman wrote:still not convinced that the triangle translates well to the modern game (without a top 5 HOF player). Lets see how it plays out this year. I have a feeling that the knicks are gonna lead the league again in long 2 attempts and if they do, I will be pretty disgusted.

Yeah, this is one of my few concerns. In the highlight videos for training camp I still saw a bunch of them in the scrimmages.

Other than that,
I just want to see this to be a year of good progress and solid foundation to be set for us to succeed even further in the future.

Season	Team	                W   L	W/L%  Finish	SRS	Pace	Rel_Pace ORtg	Rel_ORtg  DRtg	Rel_DRtg  Playoffs
2014-15	Golden State Warriors*	67  15	.817	1	10.01	98.3	4.4	 111.6	6.0	  101.4	 -4.2	  Won Finals	
2008-09	Los Angeles Lakers*	65  17	.793	1	7.11	94.3	2.6	 112.8	4.5	  104.7	 -3.6	  Won Finals	
2007-08	Los Angeles Lakers*	57  25	.695	1	7.34	95.6	3.2	 113.0	5.5	  105.5	 -2.0	  Lost Finals	

mreinman wrote:still not convinced that the triangle translates well to the modern game (without a top 5 HOF player). Lets see how it plays out this year. I have a feeling that the knicks are gonna lead the league again in long 2 attempts and if they do, I will be pretty disgusted.

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:still not convinced that the triangle translates well to the modern game (without a top 5 HOF player). Lets see how it plays out this year. I have a feeling that the knicks are gonna lead the league again in long 2 attempts and if they do, I will be pretty disgusted.

I am not worried about the triangle as much as I am worried Fisher. He has a lot of guys that have the talent to be rotation players. It will be interesting to see what he does with a player rotation.

there is a lot to be worried about. That is why most non homers predict that we win about 30 games.

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

TPercy wrote:

mreinman wrote:still not convinced that the triangle translates well to the modern game (without a top 5 HOF player). Lets see how it plays out this year. I have a feeling that the knicks are gonna lead the league again in long 2 attempts and if they do, I will be pretty disgusted.

Yeah, this is one of my few concerns. In the highlight videos for training camp I still saw a bunch of them in the scrimmages.

Other than that,
I just want to see this to be a year of good progress and solid foundation to be set for us to succeed even further in the future.

I don't know how many times I have to prove this but even back when Phil was in LA his teams were very efficient. A team like Golden State plays at a faster Pace today but that doesn't mean today's teams are more efficient. They're just getting up more shots. You're either EFFICIENT or you're NOT. The Triangle doesn't hamper efficiency.

Season	Team	                W   L	W/L%  Finish	SRS	Pace	Rel_Pace ORtg	Rel_ORtg  DRtg	Rel_DRtg  Playoffs
2014-15	Golden State Warriors*	67  15	.817	1	10.01	98.3	4.4	 111.6	6.0	  101.4	 -4.2	  Won Finals	
2008-09	Los Angeles Lakers*	65  17	.793	1	7.11	94.3	2.6	 112.8	4.5	  104.7	 -3.6	  Won Finals	
2007-08	Los Angeles Lakers*	57  25	.695	1	7.34	95.6	3.2	 113.0	5.5	  105.5	 -2.0	  Lost Finals	

shaq and pau were super super efficient players. Kobe was not.

again, if we lead the league in stupid shots again then nuff said. How about less predicting and lets see how it plays out? How have your predictions panned out?

I haven't been wrong in every prediction i've made, not that you'd really know. That has nothing to do with what i'm posting about right now. You just lazily bring that up to try and ding me but it won't work cuz you still didn't address the false point you made that somehow the triangle doesn't translate to the modern game. You went for the typical lazy ass diss of Nixluva that many have resorted to when they have nothing to disprove what i'm saying.

All you did was state the obvious. Yeah good players tend to be efficient. That's not the point. If the Triangle was an inefficient offense then it would hamper Pau Gasol and the team as a whole would not score efficiently or perhaps you don't understand Offensive Efficiency.

please don't diss mreinman. He does not like it.

Saying that the triangle may not translate well in the modern game is not a false point, it a valid argument that many smarter people than you and I have suggested.

Nixluva, mreinman asks ... what if we win 30 games and we lead the league in long 2 attempts? Curious to see how you will dance that one away.

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

TPercy wrote:

mreinman wrote:still not convinced that the triangle translates well to the modern game (without a top 5 HOF player). Lets see how it plays out this year. I have a feeling that the knicks are gonna lead the league again in long 2 attempts and if they do, I will be pretty disgusted.

Yeah, this is one of my few concerns. In the highlight videos for training camp I still saw a bunch of them in the scrimmages.

Other than that,
I just want to see this to be a year of good progress and solid foundation to be set for us to succeed even further in the future.

I don't know how many times I have to prove this but even back when Phil was in LA his teams were very efficient. A team like Golden State plays at a faster Pace today but that doesn't mean today's teams are more efficient. They're just getting up more shots. You're either EFFICIENT or you're NOT. The Triangle doesn't hamper efficiency.

Season	Team	                W   L	W/L%  Finish	SRS	Pace	Rel_Pace ORtg	Rel_ORtg  DRtg	Rel_DRtg  Playoffs
2014-15	Golden State Warriors*	67  15	.817	1	10.01	98.3	4.4	 111.6	6.0	  101.4	 -4.2	  Won Finals	
2008-09	Los Angeles Lakers*	65  17	.793	1	7.11	94.3	2.6	 112.8	4.5	  104.7	 -3.6	  Won Finals	
2007-08	Los Angeles Lakers*	57  25	.695	1	7.34	95.6	3.2	 113.0	5.5	  105.5	 -2.0	  Lost Finals	

shaq and pau were super super efficient players. Kobe was not.

again, if we lead the league in stupid shots again then nuff said. How about less predicting and lets see how it plays out? How have your predictions panned out?

I haven't been wrong in every prediction i've made, not that you'd really know. That has nothing to do with what i'm posting about right now. You just lazily bring that up to try and ding me but it won't work cuz you still didn't address the false point you made that somehow the triangle doesn't translate to the modern game. You went for the typical lazy ass diss of Nixluva that many have resorted to when they have nothing to disprove what i'm saying.

All you did was state the obvious. Yeah good players tend to be efficient. That's not the point. If the Triangle was an inefficient offense then it would hamper Pau Gasol and the team as a whole would not score efficiently or perhaps you don't understand Offensive Efficiency.

please don't diss mreinman. He does not like it.

Saying that the triangle may not translate well in the modern game is not a false point, it a valid argument that many smarter people than you and I have suggested.

Nixluva, mreinman asks ... what if we win 30 games and we lead the league in long 2 attempts? Curious to see how you will dance that one away.

You bought that tripe and didn't do any research on your own. That's why you did't know that Phil's teams were pretty efficient. NO they weren't the most efficient or the fastest paced, but they had a balance and were able to win Titles. The Triangle wasn't a detriment to playing efficient Basketball then and it shouldn't be now. It's about execution. If these players execute at a high level they will play efficient ball.

If the team only won 30 games and took too many long 2's rather than a balanced offense, that would mean the players are doing something wrong. We have post up bigs who should be able to score the ball at a high % and get to the FT line. We have guards and wings who should be able to hit 3's and get to the basket. There's WAY more to his offense than long 2's. If you knew more about it you wouldn't be talking like you are.

of course ... other than you, none of us know anything. We can't even spell tryangle.

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

TPercy wrote:

mreinman wrote:still not convinced that the triangle translates well to the modern game (without a top 5 HOF player). Lets see how it plays out this year. I have a feeling that the knicks are gonna lead the league again in long 2 attempts and if they do, I will be pretty disgusted.

Yeah, this is one of my few concerns. In the highlight videos for training camp I still saw a bunch of them in the scrimmages.

Other than that,
I just want to see this to be a year of good progress and solid foundation to be set for us to succeed even further in the future.

I don't know how many times I have to prove this but even back when Phil was in LA his teams were very efficient. A team like Golden State plays at a faster Pace today but that doesn't mean today's teams are more efficient. They're just getting up more shots. You're either EFFICIENT or you're NOT. The Triangle doesn't hamper efficiency.

Season	Team	                W   L	W/L%  Finish	SRS	Pace	Rel_Pace ORtg	Rel_ORtg  DRtg	Rel_DRtg  Playoffs
2014-15	Golden State Warriors*	67  15	.817	1	10.01	98.3	4.4	 111.6	6.0	  101.4	 -4.2	  Won Finals	
2008-09	Los Angeles Lakers*	65  17	.793	1	7.11	94.3	2.6	 112.8	4.5	  104.7	 -3.6	  Won Finals	
2007-08	Los Angeles Lakers*	57  25	.695	1	7.34	95.6	3.2	 113.0	5.5	  105.5	 -2.0	  Lost Finals	

shaq and pau were super super efficient players. Kobe was not.

again, if we lead the league in stupid shots again then nuff said. How about less predicting and lets see how it plays out? How have your predictions panned out?

I haven't been wrong in every prediction i've made, not that you'd really know. That has nothing to do with what i'm posting about right now. You just lazily bring that up to try and ding me but it won't work cuz you still didn't address the false point you made that somehow the triangle doesn't translate to the modern game. You went for the typical lazy ass diss of Nixluva that many have resorted to when they have nothing to disprove what i'm saying.

All you did was state the obvious. Yeah good players tend to be efficient. That's not the point. If the Triangle was an inefficient offense then it would hamper Pau Gasol and the team as a whole would not score efficiently or perhaps you don't understand Offensive Efficiency.

please don't diss mreinman. He does not like it.

Saying that the triangle may not translate well in the modern game is not a false point, it a valid argument that many smarter people than you and I have suggested.

Nixluva, mreinman asks ... what if we win 30 games and we lead the league in long 2 attempts? Curious to see how you will dance that one away.

You bought that tripe and didn't do any research on your own. That's why you did't know that Phil's teams were pretty efficient. NO they weren't the most efficient or the fastest paced, but they had a balance and were able to win Titles. The Triangle wasn't a detriment to playing efficient Basketball then and it shouldn't be now. It's about execution. If these players execute at a high level they will play efficient ball.

If the team only won 30 games and took too many long 2's rather than a balanced offense, that would mean the players are doing something wrong. We have post up bigs who should be able to score the ball at a high % and get to the FT line. We have guards and wings who should be able to hit 3's and get to the basket. There's WAY more to his offense than long 2's. If you knew more about it you wouldn't be talking like you are.

of course ... other than you, none of us know anything. We can't even spell tryangle.

I'm not talking about everyone else. I'm talking about you. Don't try to make this about the whole forum vs. me. This is just about you and your vapid posts.

I pick on your posts (like others do) because your posts completely lack any predictive logic and common sense.

pretty much across the board, pro's are predicting that we win about 30 games yet you and your ill-ogic dismiss it as stupid and uninformed.

yes ... I like using "lame statistics"

Most pundits are simply doubling the red herring 17 wins and coming up low-thirties. I think that's a worst case scenario. I see the downside at 32 wins. I think 42 - 45 (a little better than .500-ish) is very possible with the wind of good health at the team's back. I'm factoring in that other teams will have their injuries and problems.

I think Phil will make a trade move in Dec. or January - say two deep bench players for a quality veteran pine brother from some under-performing team looking to jettison salaries and maybe promote a D-Leaguer. Too early to speculate about specifics at this point in time.

I do agree that the second half of the season is key and we should see an acceleration of wins then rather than earlier in the season. I think we've moved from the patience meme on to the anticipation meme (time to start winning again). I'm expecting that the Knicks become the surprise team of season.