TPercy wrote:

dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

franco12 wrote:and for everyone with the knicks winning 34/35 games, that isn't a whole lot of margin over 31.5.

I think they win 42. 35 is the minimum and I would see it as a disappointment. When healthy and playing an entire season, Melo has never won less than 37 games. The talent on the team has been upgraded and this group of guys appear to have good chemistry. Can't wait to see them on the court together.

So if they win 30 games, it will be easy to blame it on Melo being not truly healthy.

You really are something with the negative snide remarks! This is a better team than Vegas realizes. Not because of the individual talent but the improved mental disposition of the team. Better balance, skill, effort, defense and BB IQ. They aren't really taking that into account.

A healthy Melo with a solid supporting cast has mostly led to an above .500 season with only the last 2 years missing that mark. So IMO there's nothing about this team that would indicate this team won't reach those levels Melo's teams have always reached outside of total dysfunction and injuries as we had the last 2 years.

you are putting too much of a burden on melo when you refer to him vis a vis his "supporting cast." that said, in his best seasons melo is good for 8-10 win shares. hence if he is healthy and buys in the knicks could very well win 39 games. anything more than that is actually on the shoulders of the two rookies.

If by "buys in" you mean Melo shares the rock consistently and takes better shots I think we can easily win 42-52 games.

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

franco12 wrote:and for everyone with the knicks winning 34/35 games, that isn't a whole lot of margin over 31.5.

I think they win 42. 35 is the minimum and I would see it as a disappointment. When healthy and playing an entire season, Melo has never won less than 37 games. The talent on the team has been upgraded and this group of guys appear to have good chemistry. Can't wait to see them on the court together.

So if they win 30 games, it will be easy to blame it on Melo being not truly healthy.

You really are something with the negative snide remarks! This is a better team than Vegas realizes. Not because of the individual talent but the improved mental disposition of the team. Better balance, skill, effort, defense and BB IQ. They aren't really taking that into account.

A healthy Melo with a solid supporting cast has mostly led to an above .500 season with only the last 2 years missing that mark. So IMO there's nothing about this team that would indicate this team won't reach those levels Melo's teams have always reached outside of total dysfunction and injuries as we had the last 2 years.

you are putting too much of a burden on melo when you refer to him vis a vis his "supporting cast." that said, in his best seasons melo is good for 8-10 win shares. hence if he is healthy and buys in the knicks could very well win 39 games. anything more than that is actually on the shoulders of the two rookies.

If by "buys in" you mean Melo shares the rock consistently and takes better shots I think we can easily win 42-52 games.

Win shares is nonsense..

So glad you see it that way. Kind of like a 14 year old claiming jazz sucks

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

franco12 wrote:and for everyone with the knicks winning 34/35 games, that isn't a whole lot of margin over 31.5.

I think they win 42. 35 is the minimum and I would see it as a disappointment. When healthy and playing an entire season, Melo has never won less than 37 games. The talent on the team has been upgraded and this group of guys appear to have good chemistry. Can't wait to see them on the court together.

So if they win 30 games, it will be easy to blame it on Melo being not truly healthy.

You really are something with the negative snide remarks! This is a better team than Vegas realizes. Not because of the individual talent but the improved mental disposition of the team. Better balance, skill, effort, defense and BB IQ. They aren't really taking that into account.

A healthy Melo with a solid supporting cast has mostly led to an above .500 season with only the last 2 years missing that mark. So IMO there's nothing about this team that would indicate this team won't reach those levels Melo's teams have always reached outside of total dysfunction and injuries as we had the last 2 years.

you are putting too much of a burden on melo when you refer to him vis a vis his "supporting cast." that said, in his best seasons melo is good for 8-10 win shares. hence if he is healthy and buys in the knicks could very well win 39 games. anything more than that is actually on the shoulders of the two rookies.

If by "buys in" you mean Melo shares the rock consistently and takes better shots I think we can easily win 42-52 games.

Win shares is nonsense..

So glad you see it that way. Kind of like a 14 year old claiming jazz sucks

Think about it for one second without getting into the numbers to prove its weaknesses and errors...You are taking the performance of a player in a certain environment and saying it's perfect legitimate to transfer those stats and expectations to a new environment..So RoLo results will be able to be duplicated with a totally different cast of players and different set of circumstances resulting in a predictable winning outcome..

So you take all the new players added to this team and think the same predictable outcome will occur even though they are coming 10 different environment and different roles..

thinking about it without numbers is my strong suit. numbers are my b game. so you want verbal logic? good

system basketball is supposed to enhance the performances of all players who are properly integrated and involved-- i don't expect you to understand these advanced team-basketball concepts. however many they win you want to focus-- for once-- on how they win. if they don't win as many games because they are trying to perfect teamwork-- then you live with that.

moreover, you are actually insulting melo by saying he cannot be successful in the triangle the way bryant and jordan had been successful.

you just got a small dose of my a game. as you are a masochist i am sure you're going to get in too deep once again and start drowning in your fronting waters.

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

franco12 wrote:and for everyone with the knicks winning 34/35 games, that isn't a whole lot of margin over 31.5.

I think they win 42. 35 is the minimum and I would see it as a disappointment. When healthy and playing an entire season, Melo has never won less than 37 games. The talent on the team has been upgraded and this group of guys appear to have good chemistry. Can't wait to see them on the court together.

So if they win 30 games, it will be easy to blame it on Melo being not truly healthy.

You really are something with the negative snide remarks! This is a better team than Vegas realizes. Not because of the individual talent but the improved mental disposition of the team. Better balance, skill, effort, defense and BB IQ. They aren't really taking that into account.

A healthy Melo with a solid supporting cast has mostly led to an above .500 season with only the last 2 years missing that mark. So IMO there's nothing about this team that would indicate this team won't reach those levels Melo's teams have always reached outside of total dysfunction and injuries as we had the last 2 years.

you are putting too much of a burden on melo when you refer to him vis a vis his "supporting cast." that said, in his best seasons melo is good for 8-10 win shares. hence if he is healthy and buys in the knicks could very well win 39 games. anything more than that is actually on the shoulders of the two rookies.

If by "buys in" you mean Melo shares the rock consistently and takes better shots I think we can easily win 42-52 games.

Win shares is nonsense..

So glad you see it that way. Kind of like a 14 year old claiming jazz sucks

Think about it for one second without getting into the numbers to prove its weaknesses and errors...You are taking the performance of a player in a certain environment and saying it's perfect legitimate to transfer those stats and expectations to a new environment..So RoLo results will be able to be duplicated with a totally different cast of players and different set of circumstances resulting in a predictable winning outcome..

So you take all the new players added to this team and think the same predictable outcome will occur even though they are coming 10 different environment and different roles..

thinking about it without numbers is my strong suit. numbers are my b game. so you want verbal logic? good

system basketball is supposed to enhance the performances of all players who are properly integrated and involved-- i don't expect you to understand these advanced team-basketball concepts. however many they win you want to focus-- for once-- on how they win. if they don't win as many games because they are trying to perfect teamwork-- then you live with that.

moreover, you are actually insulting melo by saying he cannot be successful in the triangle the way bryant and jordan had been successful.

you just got a small dose of my a game. as you are a masochist i am sure you're going to get in too deep once again and start drowning in your fronting waters.

I'm addressing the use of win shares as a way to predict outcome..I said nothing about Melo or win totals..I not sure what you are responding to..

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

franco12 wrote:and for everyone with the knicks winning 34/35 games, that isn't a whole lot of margin over 31.5.

I think they win 42. 35 is the minimum and I would see it as a disappointment. When healthy and playing an entire season, Melo has never won less than 37 games. The talent on the team has been upgraded and this group of guys appear to have good chemistry. Can't wait to see them on the court together.

So if they win 30 games, it will be easy to blame it on Melo being not truly healthy.

You really are something with the negative snide remarks! This is a better team than Vegas realizes. Not because of the individual talent but the improved mental disposition of the team. Better balance, skill, effort, defense and BB IQ. They aren't really taking that into account.

A healthy Melo with a solid supporting cast has mostly led to an above .500 season with only the last 2 years missing that mark. So IMO there's nothing about this team that would indicate this team won't reach those levels Melo's teams have always reached outside of total dysfunction and injuries as we had the last 2 years.

you are putting too much of a burden on melo when you refer to him vis a vis his "supporting cast." that said, in his best seasons melo is good for 8-10 win shares. hence if he is healthy and buys in the knicks could very well win 39 games. anything more than that is actually on the shoulders of the two rookies.

If by "buys in" you mean Melo shares the rock consistently and takes better shots I think we can easily win 42-52 games.

Win shares is nonsense..

So glad you see it that way. Kind of like a 14 year old claiming jazz sucks

Think about it for one second without getting into the numbers to prove its weaknesses and errors...You are taking the performance of a player in a certain environment and saying it's perfect legitimate to transfer those stats and expectations to a new environment..So RoLo results will be able to be duplicated with a totally different cast of players and different set of circumstances resulting in a predictable winning outcome..

So you take all the new players added to this team and think the same predictable outcome will occur even though they are coming 10 different environment and different roles..

thinking about it without numbers is my strong suit. numbers are my b game. so you want verbal logic? good

system basketball is supposed to enhance the performances of all players who are properly integrated and involved-- i don't expect you to understand these advanced team-basketball concepts. however many they win you want to focus-- for once-- on how they win. if they don't win as many games because they are trying to perfect teamwork-- then you live with that.

moreover, you are actually insulting melo by saying he cannot be successful in the triangle the way bryant and jordan had been successful.

you just got a small dose of my a game. as you are a masochist i am sure you're going to get in too deep once again and start drowning in your fronting waters.

I'm addressing the use of win shares as a way to predict outcome..I said nothing about Melo or win totals..I not sure what you are responding to..

1)you introduced win shares which is a number.
2)you asked me to not look at the numbers.
3)so i obliged you by responding with verbal logic.
4)and now you want go back to win shares.

CrushAlot wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

franco12 wrote:and for everyone with the knicks winning 34/35 games, that isn't a whole lot of margin over 31.5.

I think they win 42. 35 is the minimum and I would see it as a disappointment. When healthy and playing an entire season, Melo has never won less than 37 games. The talent on the team has been upgraded and this group of guys appear to have good chemistry. Can't wait to see them on the court together.

Yeah but i think you need to take in account that this is an entirely new team with most playing in this system for the first time so it will most likely take some time to learn the system and learn how to play with each other so a slow start is very possible.

The first six games are against very good teams. It shoud be interesting.

It's mostly going to be about Defense and rebounding!!! If this team improves in those areas as much as I think they can this team will win its fair share of games! This isn't the same as last year where EVERYONE was new to the Triangle. This team did have some continuity as some of us were talking about and Phil intended when he brought key guys back. That's why things aren't as shaky this year. Fish says the team is coming along faster.

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

franco12 wrote:and for everyone with the knicks winning 34/35 games, that isn't a whole lot of margin over 31.5.

I think they win 42. 35 is the minimum and I would see it as a disappointment. When healthy and playing an entire season, Melo has never won less than 37 games. The talent on the team has been upgraded and this group of guys appear to have good chemistry. Can't wait to see them on the court together.

So if they win 30 games, it will be easy to blame it on Melo being not truly healthy.

You really are something with the negative snide remarks! This is a better team than Vegas realizes. Not because of the individual talent but the improved mental disposition of the team. Better balance, skill, effort, defense and BB IQ. They aren't really taking that into account.

A healthy Melo with a solid supporting cast has mostly led to an above .500 season with only the last 2 years missing that mark. So IMO there's nothing about this team that would indicate this team won't reach those levels Melo's teams have always reached outside of total dysfunction and injuries as we had the last 2 years.

you are putting too much of a burden on melo when you refer to him vis a vis his "supporting cast." that said, in his best seasons melo is good for 8-10 win shares. hence if he is healthy and buys in the knicks could very well win 39 games. anything more than that is actually on the shoulders of the two rookies.

If by "buys in" you mean Melo shares the rock consistently and takes better shots I think we can easily win 42-52 games.

Win shares is nonsense..

So glad you see it that way. Kind of like a 14 year old claiming jazz sucks

that is a great line :-)

the moon is stupid.

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

franco12 wrote:and for everyone with the knicks winning 34/35 games, that isn't a whole lot of margin over 31.5.

I think they win 42. 35 is the minimum and I would see it as a disappointment. When healthy and playing an entire season, Melo has never won less than 37 games. The talent on the team has been upgraded and this group of guys appear to have good chemistry. Can't wait to see them on the court together.

So if they win 30 games, it will be easy to blame it on Melo being not truly healthy.

You really are something with the negative snide remarks! This is a better team than Vegas realizes. Not because of the individual talent but the improved mental disposition of the team. Better balance, skill, effort, defense and BB IQ. They aren't really taking that into account.

A healthy Melo with a solid supporting cast has mostly led to an above .500 season with only the last 2 years missing that mark. So IMO there's nothing about this team that would indicate this team won't reach those levels Melo's teams have always reached outside of total dysfunction and injuries as we had the last 2 years.

you are putting too much of a burden on melo when you refer to him vis a vis his "supporting cast." that said, in his best seasons melo is good for 8-10 win shares. hence if he is healthy and buys in the knicks could very well win 39 games. anything more than that is actually on the shoulders of the two rookies.

If by "buys in" you mean Melo shares the rock consistently and takes better shots I think we can easily win 42-52 games.

Win shares is nonsense..

So glad you see it that way. Kind of like a 14 year old claiming jazz sucks

that is a great line :-)

the moon is stupid.

As someone eloquently pointed out in the Draftkings/Fanduel debacle, there is a sucker born every quarter..

don't mean to be rude by asking but would you mind stating your age?

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

franco12 wrote:and for everyone with the knicks winning 34/35 games, that isn't a whole lot of margin over 31.5.

I think they win 42. 35 is the minimum and I would see it as a disappointment. When healthy and playing an entire season, Melo has never won less than 37 games. The talent on the team has been upgraded and this group of guys appear to have good chemistry. Can't wait to see them on the court together.

So if they win 30 games, it will be easy to blame it on Melo being not truly healthy.

You really are something with the negative snide remarks! This is a better team than Vegas realizes. Not because of the individual talent but the improved mental disposition of the team. Better balance, skill, effort, defense and BB IQ. They aren't really taking that into account.

A healthy Melo with a solid supporting cast has mostly led to an above .500 season with only the last 2 years missing that mark. So IMO there's nothing about this team that would indicate this team won't reach those levels Melo's teams have always reached outside of total dysfunction and injuries as we had the last 2 years.

you are putting too much of a burden on melo when you refer to him vis a vis his "supporting cast." that said, in his best seasons melo is good for 8-10 win shares. hence if he is healthy and buys in the knicks could very well win 39 games. anything more than that is actually on the shoulders of the two rookies.

If by "buys in" you mean Melo shares the rock consistently and takes better shots I think we can easily win 42-52 games.

Win shares is nonsense..

So glad you see it that way. Kind of like a 14 year old claiming jazz sucks

that is a great line :-)

the moon is stupid.

As someone eloquently pointed out in the Draftkings/Fanduel debacle, there is a sucker born every quarter..

don't mean to be rude by asking but would you mind stating your age?

Old enough to have taken some math classes in my day that I can spot a formula that don't make sense from a mile away..

you need to be pretty old school and dense to disregard/easily dismiss statistical formulas that pretty smart people come up with and have spent years trying to perfect.

nothing is perfect or without flaws. Nothing is black and white ... geeez