callmened wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

callmened wrote:i watched the whole game and was impressed. Mudiay played against CP3 who was in full *******-playoff-intensity mode. he was obviously intimidated and nervous. in the 2nd half, once he settled in and played the 2nd team players, he played well. this kid is oozing with potential. hit 3 threes and made some nifty passes. as a rookie hell be making mistakes ALL YEAR Long but hes a keeper. anyone who says that grant was the better pick is a knicks fan trying to make themselves feel good for not drafting him

For what Jackson and Fisher are trying to do, Grant is better for this team, IMO.

If you want to say that Mudiay will be the "better" player, fine, but even Mudiay, after the draft, admitted that the Triangle is probably not his thing. For better or worse, Mudiay seems like someone who has to have the ball and be in a free flow offense...I think much of what he can do would be wasted on the Knicks-Fisher would never give him the offensive freedom he will probably have with Denver. I also think that Grant will be the better defender. MDA would have liked Mudiay, though, despite some limitations on his shot at this point.

You can be unhappy with our system, but right now we have to live with it. Grant was a steal where we got him, and there never was any consideration of choosing between Mudiay and Grant, anyway.

thats all im saying Mudiay will be the better player. i think the triangle takes away creativity from the PG position...that includes grant, mudiay, nash or kidd. i can "settle" for mudiay or grant but i cant convince myself that grant is better

Still hard to make judgements so early.

I think KP could potentially end up being the best player to emerge from this draft...but I can makes a case for others players, too.

The Triangle does seem to be a tough system for PGs to really star. Phil never had a true PG leading his offense in Chicago or LA, if I remember correctly.

callmened wrote:i watched the whole game and was impressed. Mudiay played against CP3 who was in full *******-playoff-intensity mode. he was obviously intimidated and nervous. in the 2nd half, once he settled in and played the 2nd team players, he played well. this kid is oozing with potential. hit 3 threes and made some nifty passes. as a rookie hell be making mistakes ALL YEAR Long but hes a keeper. anyone who says that grant was the better pick is a knicks fan trying to make themselves feel good for not drafting him

Da....

Isn't this the Ultimateknicks site? People drive me crazy like it's a sin to overrate the players on your favorite team. Thats a natural tendency for die hard fans, across the world. Now if I was a Nets fan, I would agree with the other haters. But thats why we have our own site. Gives us a place to gloat about our players, and feel good about having them. Regardless if they were the last pick or went undrafted. I guess my knicks love runs deeper than most. To each is own! Don't hate my love because it's not equal to your hate! And thats not directed at callmened, but rather to all listeners. Thats why I love my fan base site. Be proud to overrate Grant and say he will be better than Mudiay. Why not? If thats what you believe, who am I to disagree with your own thoughts. I don't care if hes 19yrs old. Every hyped up scrub was 19 at one point in their life. And left the NBA as the same scrub. Then you have late bloomers, who finally gets it 3 yrs before retirement.

WaltLongmire wrote:

holfresh wrote:Comparing Grant and Mudiay or Shrved for that matter is just silly..You are just showing your hand..Mudiay will be the best player on the Nuggets in two years...Shrved will be 27 in Dec., Grant is 23, Mudiay is 19..They will try to run the offense around Mudiay like what MDA did for Nash...He came up against Chris Paul last night and he pressed..This kid will be ok...

Very touchy, aren't we...Never said he was not going to be OK. Kind of showing your hand...no?

Has nothing to do with age...we're talking about style of play. Shved's DraftExpress page goes back to 2006. We know a bit about how he ended up, but it is always interesting to see how he was looked at when younger. There are similarities in their games...if you cannot see this that is not my problem.

Shved was one of the more creative passers we've had around here in a long time. Did not do as much ball handling as Mudiay does with Denver-don't think Fisher could put up with it, but when he did get the ball he was creative with his passes and distributed the ball pretty well. Don't think Fisher believed he could fit into a more disciplined half court system, though, and issue he had as a youth when playing in Russia, too, when he was 19:

Shved is billed a big point guard, and even if he played off the ball quite a bit in this game, still showed a pretty good understanding of how to find the open man on the drive and dish—making quick decisions within the flow of the offense and doing a good job feeding the post with entry-passes. He did get a bit wild at times, though, leaving his feet before having made up his mind as to what he wants to do, and causing a couple of unnecessary turnovers due to his over-exuberance trying to make the spectacular play. His Russian coach wasn’t going to stand for such a thing from one of the youngest players on the team, so he was promptly benched for a few minutes after throwing the ball carelessly out of bounds on one occasion.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/#ixzz3nYH1qNet
http://www.draftexpress.com

Very good and creative passer...sporadic shooter...goes to the basket well...good size for a PG. This general description can be applied to both players at this point. Does not mean that Mudiay won't get better as he matures and gains experience, but if Shved had played in the U.S., I expect we would have looked at him in a much different way when he came out of college. In some ways his game was actually stifled in Russia, I expect.

Good decision by Mudiay to play in China, a system which allows players more freedom to play their game, from what I read. Also the reason why I feel Grant was better suited for the team we all root for.

Ha...Not touchy at all...I'm not the one with credibility issues...If you listened to the broadcast, you heard the Clipper's announcers rave about the kid..They said he could be rookie of the year...But you are trying to compare him to a guy that wasn't offered an NBA contract this year...

holfresh wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

holfresh wrote:Comparing Grant and Mudiay or Shrved for that matter is just silly..You are just showing your hand..Mudiay will be the best player on the Nuggets in two years...Shrved will be 27 in Dec., Grant is 23, Mudiay is 19..They will try to run the offense around Mudiay like what MDA did for Nash...He came up against Chris Paul last night and he pressed..This kid will be ok...

Very touchy, aren't we...Never said he was not going to be OK. Kind of showing your hand...no?

Has nothing to do with age...we're talking about style of play. Shved's DraftExpress page goes back to 2006. We know a bit about how he ended up, but it is always interesting to see how he was looked at when younger. There are similarities in their games...if you cannot see this that is not my problem.

Shved was one of the more creative passers we've had around here in a long time. Did not do as much ball handling as Mudiay does with Denver-don't think Fisher could put up with it, but when he did get the ball he was creative with his passes and distributed the ball pretty well. Don't think Fisher believed he could fit into a more disciplined half court system, though, and issue he had as a youth when playing in Russia, too, when he was 19:

Shved is billed a big point guard, and even if he played off the ball quite a bit in this game, still showed a pretty good understanding of how to find the open man on the drive and dish—making quick decisions within the flow of the offense and doing a good job feeding the post with entry-passes. He did get a bit wild at times, though, leaving his feet before having made up his mind as to what he wants to do, and causing a couple of unnecessary turnovers due to his over-exuberance trying to make the spectacular play. His Russian coach wasn’t going to stand for such a thing from one of the youngest players on the team, so he was promptly benched for a few minutes after throwing the ball carelessly out of bounds on one occasion.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/#ixzz3nYH1qNet
http://www.draftexpress.com

Very good and creative passer...sporadic shooter...goes to the basket well...good size for a PG. This general description can be applied to both players at this point. Does not mean that Mudiay won't get better as he matures and gains experience, but if Shved had played in the U.S., I expect we would have looked at him in a much different way when he came out of college. In some ways his game was actually stifled in Russia, I expect.

Good decision by Mudiay to play in China, a system which allows players more freedom to play their game, from what I read. Also the reason why I feel Grant was better suited for the team we all root for.

Ha...Not touchy at all...I'm not the one with credibility issues...If you listened to the broadcast, you heard the Clipper's announcers rave about the kid..They said he could be rookie of the year...But you are trying to compare him to a guy that wasn't offered an NBA contract this year...

Remember that for the season, your Mudiay fanboy threads should originate in the NBA Forum.

holfresh wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

holfresh wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

holfresh wrote:Comparing Grant and Mudiay or Shrved for that matter is just silly..You are just showing your hand..Mudiay will be the best player on the Nuggets in two years...Shrved will be 27 in Dec., Grant is 23, Mudiay is 19..They will try to run the offense around Mudiay like what MDA did for Nash...He came up against Chris Paul last night and he pressed..This kid will be ok...

Very touchy, aren't we...Never said he was not going to be OK. Kind of showing your hand...no?

Has nothing to do with age...we're talking about style of play. Shved's DraftExpress page goes back to 2006. We know a bit about how he ended up, but it is always interesting to see how he was looked at when younger. There are similarities in their games...if you cannot see this that is not my problem.

Shved was one of the more creative passers we've had around here in a long time. Did not do as much ball handling as Mudiay does with Denver-don't think Fisher could put up with it, but when he did get the ball he was creative with his passes and distributed the ball pretty well. Don't think Fisher believed he could fit into a more disciplined half court system, though, and issue he had as a youth when playing in Russia, too, when he was 19:

Shved is billed a big point guard, and even if he played off the ball quite a bit in this game, still showed a pretty good understanding of how to find the open man on the drive and dish—making quick decisions within the flow of the offense and doing a good job feeding the post with entry-passes. He did get a bit wild at times, though, leaving his feet before having made up his mind as to what he wants to do, and causing a couple of unnecessary turnovers due to his over-exuberance trying to make the spectacular play. His Russian coach wasn’t going to stand for such a thing from one of the youngest players on the team, so he was promptly benched for a few minutes after throwing the ball carelessly out of bounds on one occasion.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/#ixzz3nYH1qNet
http://www.draftexpress.com

Very good and creative passer...sporadic shooter...goes to the basket well...good size for a PG. This general description can be applied to both players at this point. Does not mean that Mudiay won't get better as he matures and gains experience, but if Shved had played in the U.S., I expect we would have looked at him in a much different way when he came out of college. In some ways his game was actually stifled in Russia, I expect.

Good decision by Mudiay to play in China, a system which allows players more freedom to play their game, from what I read. Also the reason why I feel Grant was better suited for the team we all root for.

Ha...Not touchy at all...I'm not the one with credibility issues...If you listened to the broadcast, you heard the Clipper's announcers rave about the kid..They said he could be rookie of the year...But you are trying to compare him to a guy that wasn't offered an NBA contract this year...

You might be too much in love to read or understand what I wrote.

Remember that for the season, your Mudiay fanboy threads should originate in the NBA Forum.

U just joined a little over a year ago and now you are setting the rules of the forum?..I think we already have a couple of guys who is doing a fine job of moderating..

And by the way, who brought Mudiay into this thread first?..Was it me or U??

holfresh wrote:

holfresh wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

holfresh wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

holfresh wrote:Comparing Grant and Mudiay or Shrved for that matter is just silly..You are just showing your hand..Mudiay will be the best player on the Nuggets in two years...Shrved will be 27 in Dec., Grant is 23, Mudiay is 19..They will try to run the offense around Mudiay like what MDA did for Nash...He came up against Chris Paul last night and he pressed..This kid will be ok...

Very touchy, aren't we...Never said he was not going to be OK. Kind of showing your hand...no?

Has nothing to do with age...we're talking about style of play. Shved's DraftExpress page goes back to 2006. We know a bit about how he ended up, but it is always interesting to see how he was looked at when younger. There are similarities in their games...if you cannot see this that is not my problem.

Shved was one of the more creative passers we've had around here in a long time. Did not do as much ball handling as Mudiay does with Denver-don't think Fisher could put up with it, but when he did get the ball he was creative with his passes and distributed the ball pretty well. Don't think Fisher believed he could fit into a more disciplined half court system, though, and issue he had as a youth when playing in Russia, too, when he was 19:

Shved is billed a big point guard, and even if he played off the ball quite a bit in this game, still showed a pretty good understanding of how to find the open man on the drive and dish—making quick decisions within the flow of the offense and doing a good job feeding the post with entry-passes. He did get a bit wild at times, though, leaving his feet before having made up his mind as to what he wants to do, and causing a couple of unnecessary turnovers due to his over-exuberance trying to make the spectacular play. His Russian coach wasn’t going to stand for such a thing from one of the youngest players on the team, so he was promptly benched for a few minutes after throwing the ball carelessly out of bounds on one occasion.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/#ixzz3nYH1qNet
http://www.draftexpress.com

Very good and creative passer...sporadic shooter...goes to the basket well...good size for a PG. This general description can be applied to both players at this point. Does not mean that Mudiay won't get better as he matures and gains experience, but if Shved had played in the U.S., I expect we would have looked at him in a much different way when he came out of college. In some ways his game was actually stifled in Russia, I expect.

Good decision by Mudiay to play in China, a system which allows players more freedom to play their game, from what I read. Also the reason why I feel Grant was better suited for the team we all root for.

Ha...Not touchy at all...I'm not the one with credibility issues...If you listened to the broadcast, you heard the Clipper's announcers rave about the kid..They said he could be rookie of the year...But you are trying to compare him to a guy that wasn't offered an NBA contract this year...

You might be too much in love to read or understand what I wrote.

Remember that for the season, your Mudiay fanboy threads should originate in the NBA Forum.

U just joined a little over a year ago and now you are setting the rules of the forum?..I think we already have a couple of guys who is doing a fine job of moderating..

And by the way, who brought Mudiay into this thread first?..Was it me or U??

If you looked at all the posts and not just mine, you would know that I was not the first to mention him...and this thread was your back door entry into discussing Mudiay, anyway.

I actually made an honest assessment of what I saw, not unlike yours, actually

Also use a smily thing to indicate I was taking a poke at you...hate using them, but did it just for you.

TPercy wrote:The sad thing is that the talk of Mudiay as rookie of the year is possible. Andrew Wiggins got it just because he dropped 17ppg on horrible shooting.

Harden was in the running for MVP and shot the same fg% as Wiggins..He compares with LeBron, Kobe, Dirk, etc in their rookie years by the way..

callmened wrote:i watched the whole game and was impressed. Mudiay played against CP3 who was in full *******-playoff-intensity mode. he was obviously intimidated and nervous. in the 2nd half, once he settled in and played the 2nd team players, he played well. this kid is oozing with potential. hit 3 threes and made some nifty passes. as a rookie hell be making mistakes ALL YEAR Long but hes a keeper. anyone who says that grant was the better pick is a knicks fan trying to make themselves feel good for not drafting him

5-18 I believe with 8 TO's --- can seemingly only make a shot going to his left off the dribble (heavy fade / does not go straight up and down).

I agree with others who said he is too free with his decision making -- lacks respect for the basketball (turnovers). Shows up/down effort on D --- stands and watches from perimeter waiting for ball to come out to him while his teammates are fighting to gain possession.

I see a potential for an attitude problem with this kid but he will have the ball in his hands and put up some big stats this year.

After watching both Manny and Russell ---- I take my chances with Manny because Russell is slow, lacks quickness/explosion, can't finish at the rim and will be a non-factor defensively.

CrushAlot wrote:

TPercy wrote:The sad thing is that the talk of Mudiay as rookie of the year is possible. Andrew Wiggins got it just because he dropped 17ppg on horrible shooting.

I think the preseason favorites for roy are Okafor and Mudiay. Both have the talent and will get the opportunity.

Mudiay is a possibility if he is given as much chances to take shots like Wiggins did. However, as good as prospect
A) Extremely turnover prone. It was documented of that even coming out of high school that the lost more games when he played due to his turnovers, the fact that he still has not worked on that part of the game is concerning.

B)He can't shoot it..at all. When you have as bad shooting problems as him, you would like it if he possessed Wall, Westbrook, or Rose like uber athleticism where he is literally popping at you. It is quite questionable whether he is at that level yet.

C)Does it not concern anybody that he hardly played up until the CBA playoffs last year and he is making this big transition to the NBA?