VCoug wrote:

knickscity wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I think if the Knicks are really far under .500 around the trade deadline (say ten games under .500 or more), this is certainly an option worth exploring.

I think the Washington Wizards could be an option, too.

And of course the LA teams will try to be in the mix.

I think there's certainly a chance the Knicks get to that point this year or next summer - but let's just see how they look on the floor for the first two or three months before trading Melo for a bunch of nickels.

Yup, agreed. I'm just saying Bulls pushed for Melo HARD last off season, and Melo himself even talked himself out of winning, for that extra MSG Dolan cheddah.

You roll the dice first, and if we're sub 500 near the trade deadline, you make this move 11 times out of 10. Everyone wins.

The Bulls wanted him, but "pushed hard"? Nah, didnt offer him a max deal, never tried to clear space, didnt engage the Knicks in any s&t scenarios. A deal such as this seems fair though.

That's bull ****. Chicago offered him the maximum they could without having to gut the team to clear more cap space. The Knicks were the ones who refused to engage in S&T talks. Phil Jackson came out and said that we were refusing to take back Carlos Boozer in any S&T effectively making an S&T impossible.

The only way teams can discuss sign and trades is if the player himself says "I want to go there". Melo did no such thing. How can you sign and trade a player who hasnt announced where he wants to go? Common sense 101.

knickscity wrote:

VCoug wrote:

knickscity wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I think if the Knicks are really far under .500 around the trade deadline (say ten games under .500 or more), this is certainly an option worth exploring.

I think the Washington Wizards could be an option, too.

And of course the LA teams will try to be in the mix.

I think there's certainly a chance the Knicks get to that point this year or next summer - but let's just see how they look on the floor for the first two or three months before trading Melo for a bunch of nickels.

Yup, agreed. I'm just saying Bulls pushed for Melo HARD last off season, and Melo himself even talked himself out of winning, for that extra MSG Dolan cheddah.

You roll the dice first, and if we're sub 500 near the trade deadline, you make this move 11 times out of 10. Everyone wins.

The Bulls wanted him, but "pushed hard"? Nah, didnt offer him a max deal, never tried to clear space, didnt engage the Knicks in any s&t scenarios. A deal such as this seems fair though.

That's bull ****. Chicago offered him the maximum they could without having to gut the team to clear more cap space. The Knicks were the ones who refused to engage in S&T talks. Phil Jackson came out and said that we were refusing to take back Carlos Boozer in any S&T effectively making an S&T impossible.

The max they could was 13 mil starting...lol at you thinking thats "pushed hard". And the fact they cleared no cap space at all cements the fact they didnt "push hard". As far as the S&T talks, learn how it work rather than believing the papers. Phil never SAID anything....show one quote from Phil that the Knicks and Bulls discussed sign and trades. It's amazing what you guys believe, you cant even google one article stating the Knicks and Bulls have discussed s&t's with Melo.

The only way teams can discuss sign and trades is if the player himself says "I want to go there". Melo did no such thing. How can you sign and trade a player who hasnt announced where he wants to go? Common sense 101.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1CASMAE_enUS532US532&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=knicks%20won%27t%20take%20back%20carlos%20boozer%20in%20a%20trade

They cleared as much cap space as they could without gutting the team. That's what I said. They clearly didn't feel that having to lose some combination of Noah, Taj, and Butler was worth signing Melo outright.

wargames wrote:I wonder if the knicks could Max out Bradley Beal and steal him from the Wizards? If the knicks think they have any chance to get a legit Max player next year I don't see them trading Melo.

If Afflalo and Derrick Williams pick up their options we probably won't have enough cap space to offer a max deal to anyone. Also, Beal's not worth a max deal. He's not really a good player, he's a good 3-point shooter and that's about it. All his advanced stats are decidedly mediocre.

VCoug wrote:

wargames wrote:I wonder if the knicks could Max out Bradley Beal and steal him from the Wizards? If the knicks think they have any chance to get a legit Max player next year I don't see them trading Melo.

If Afflalo and Derrick Williams pick up their options we probably won't have enough cap space to offer a max deal to anyone. Also, Beal's not worth a max deal. He's not really a good player, he's a good 3-point shooter and that's about it. All his advanced stats are decidedly mediocre.

We couldn't even afford a rookie max? Also he's not great now but at 22 if he could stay healthy I wouldn't be mad at the knicks maxing him out with the belief he could get a lot better.

martin wrote:

wargames wrote:

VCoug wrote:

wargames wrote:I wonder if the knicks could Max out Bradley Beal and steal him from the Wizards? If the knicks think they have any chance to get a legit Max player next year I don't see them trading Melo.

If Afflalo and Derrick Williams pick up their options we probably won't have enough cap space to offer a max deal to anyone. Also, Beal's not worth a max deal. He's not really a good player, he's a good 3-point shooter and that's about it. All his advanced stats are decidedly mediocre.

We couldn't even afford a rookie max? Also he's not great now but at 22 if he could stay healthy I wouldn't be mad at the knicks maxing him out with the belief he could get a lot better.

I think VCoug not really looking at the numbers. With both Williams and Afflalo opting in the Knicks would be at $69M. Projected cap $89M next year. Someone else can fill in the blanks.

Here are your blanks:

Salary Cap: $89M

Approx Knicks Payroll: $69.6M for 9 players

Approx Knicks Cap Space: $18.4M (Includes two cap holds for open roster spots totalling just over $1M. Does not include cap holds for Seraphin, Lance Thomas, Amundson, Vujacic, Early, or Galloway)

Max Contract for Player with up to 6 years experience: 25% of the salary cap or $22,250,000

TPercy wrote:Bradley Beal...worth the max? LOL

Yeah, that's the main point. Beal's not a terrible player but he definitely isn't a max guy.

VCoug wrote:

TPercy wrote:Bradley Beal...worth the max? LOL

Yeah, that's the main point. Beal's not a terrible player but he definitely isn't a max guy.

How much of that on Whittman? Beal needs to learn how to get to the line and cut out the long twos Whittman is telling him to shoot.

TPercy wrote:

knickscity wrote:

TPercy wrote:Bradley Beal...worth the max? LOL

Yes, and if the Wizards dont pay it, someone will.

Don't make me laugh. Bradley Beal dosen't even lick Jose Caledron's shoes nevermind deserving the max.

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

knickscity wrote:

TPercy wrote:Bradley Beal...worth the max? LOL

Yes, and if the Wizards dont pay it, someone will.

Don't make me laugh. Bradley Beal dosen't even lick Jose Caledron's shoes nevermind deserving the max.

I'm not sure if this is a joke...Are you talking about Jose Calderon, that Calderon??..Barnes just turned down 16 mil per, Tristan is making more than 17 mil per...Klay Thompson is maxed out...Draymond Green, the other Gallo and Gordon Haywood is maxed...Beal is getting paid...Beal stepped up in the playoffs big time this past year..He showed versatility..He ran the point when Wall was out in the playoffs and did well...Beal can be a big time player that has the athleticism to play both ends...It's now about if he can stay healthy and how much he wants it..He needs to get stronger and will...Beal just turned 22 in June...Washington will never let him go...Klay Thompson is 25 and so is Gordon Haywood..Gallo is 26 I think..Just think about that for a sec...These are his playoff numbers..

SEASON	TEAM	GP	GS	MIN	FGM-A	  FG%	3PM-A	3P%	FTM-A	FT%	OR	DR	REB	AST	BLK	STL	PF	TO	PTS
'13-'14	 WSH    11	11	41.6	6.8-16.1 .424	2.0-4.8	.415	3.5-4.5	.796	1.4	3.6	5.0	4.5	0.6	1.6	2.8	2.1	19.2
'14-'15	 WSH    10	10	41.8	8.1-20.0 .405	2.3-6.3	.365	4.9-5.9	.831	1.4	4.1	5.5	4.6	0.7	1.6	1.9	2.6	23.4

This is a kid who just turned 22 in June...He can run the point as well...I'll pay him the max in a heartbeat..

paying a guy who is pretty inefficient the max would be a bad move. He did not shoot well in the playoffs either but rebounded and passed well.

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TPercy wrote:

knickscity wrote:

TPercy wrote:Bradley Beal...worth the max? LOL

Yes, and if the Wizards dont pay it, someone will.

Don't make me laugh. Bradley Beal dosen't even lick Jose Caledron's shoes nevermind deserving the max.

I'm not sure if this is a joke...Are you talking about Jose Calderon, that Calderon??..Barnes just turned down 16 mil per, Tristan is making more than 17 mil per...Klay Thompson is maxed out...Draymond Green, the other Gallo and Gordon Haywood is maxed...Beal is getting paid...Beal stepped up in the playoffs big time this past year..He showed versatility..He ran the point when Wall was out in the playoffs and did well...Beal can be a big time player that has the athleticism to play both ends...It's now about if he can stay healthy and how much he wants it..He needs to get stronger and will...Beal just turned 22 in June...Washington will never let him go...Klay Thompson is 25 and so is Gordon Haywood..Gallo is 26 I think..Just think about that for a sec...These are his playoff numbers..

SEASON	TEAM	GP	GS	MIN	FGM-A	  FG%	3PM-A	3P%	FTM-A	FT%	OR	DR	REB	AST	BLK	STL	PF	TO	PTS
'13-'14	 WSH    11	11	41.6	6.8-16.1 .424	2.0-4.8	.415	3.5-4.5	.796	1.4	3.6	5.0	4.5	0.6	1.6	2.8	2.1	19.2
'14-'15	 WSH    10	10	41.8	8.1-20.0 .405	2.3-6.3	.365	4.9-5.9	.831	1.4	4.1	5.5	4.6	0.7	1.6	1.9	2.6	23.4

This is a kid who just turned 22 in June...He can run the point as well...I'll pay him the max in a heartbeat..

paying a guy who is pretty inefficient the max would be a bad move. He did not shoot well in the playoffs either but rebounded and passed well.

It's not all about shooting..He shot 40% from the three during the season but 41% overall.So there is something wrong with his shot selection..That's coaching..He is 22..He can play the point in spots and 1.6 steals per with rebounds and assist?..Who else is doing that in the NBA, not many..

his TS and WS48 are not good. No where near deserving of a max.