GustavBahler wrote:

RicanHavok wrote:Realy appreciate the updates!

No Problem, it should be on the MSG website soon.

So pissed I missed this. As usual, sounds like uncle Phil had a lot to say.. If anyone knows if they'll be replaying this on TV or if it's supposed to go up on a website, please let us know. Thanks.

knicks1248 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:I like what i've heard so far. Sounds like everyone is focusing in on more specific areas they need to improve. Everything in stages. I think Phil had to focus on Front Office stuff last year. There was so much he needed to learn and so much he actually had to do. There were so many decisions and moves to be made. Now after the big summer of decisions he can of course spend more time helping the team.

Phil said he did it in so many words because he wanted to give Fisher some space but he took it too far. You are right however that it gave Phil some time to learn being an exec. Having Phil much more involved with the team and basketball decisions is one of the best things Ive heard about the Knicks all summer. This will help with recruiting IMO, to what degree remains to be seen.

I thought he was giving fisher enough rope to completely hang himself, way too much space for a rookie coach. You could tell from the very first game that fisher was clueless.

Now i hope he travels with the team, and cut this phone conversations and txt messg out. His presence at practices and on the road will make a huge difference

Fish introduced his own tweaks that looked really good and should look even better with improved talent. Phil believes in Fish and also understands that he must develop Fish so that he can stand totally on his own. Phil won't be here forever and won't be able to be on the road continually. As it should be this is on Fish for the most part. As a group they should be able to get a lot done this year.

WaltLongmire wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Mills said he caught KP in the tub watching usain bolt on his phone to learn running techniques.

You can't make this stuff up...KP is emerging as quite a colorful character.

The Kid wants to be GREAT! I love it. We haven't had a young prospect with that kind of attitude and dedication to improving in a long time. It's a really good feeling to see his disposition in a rookie.

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:I like what i've heard so far. Sounds like everyone is focusing in on more specific areas they need to improve. Everything in stages. I think Phil had to focus on Front Office stuff last year. There was so much he needed to learn and so much he actually had to do. There were so many decisions and moves to be made. Now after the big summer of decisions he can of course spend more time helping the team.

Phil said he did it in so many words because he wanted to give Fisher some space but he took it too far. You are right however that it gave Phil some time to learn being an exec. Having Phil much more involved with the team and basketball decisions is one of the best things Ive heard about the Knicks all summer. This will help with recruiting IMO, to what degree remains to be seen.

I thought he was giving fisher enough rope to completely hang himself, way too much space for a rookie coach. You could tell from the very first game that fisher was clueless.

Now i hope he travels with the team, and cut this phone conversations and txt messg out. His presence at practices and on the road will make a huge difference

How many presidents or GM's actually get involved in day to day coaching help with their Rookie Coach? Most have to figure it out on their own. Jason Kidd went thru his own journey with it's early struggles and if Kerr didn't have such a great team he too would've faced a lot more challenges. It's normal for a Rookie coach to have to go thru some trials. Having Phil help out is nice, but on game night it's still going to be 100% on Fish. Phil can help, but Phil isn't going to be the difference between success or failure for Fish this year. A great coach may add between 5-10 wins and quantifying how much of an impact Phil's visits will have would be even harder to gauge. It still is mostly about the roster and what Fish and his staff do on a daily basis. I'm glad Phil is going to do more, but we need to get off this Fish bashing and let him grow as ALL new Coaches must do.

Fish introduced his own tweaks that looked really good and should look even better with improved talent. Phil believes in Fish and also understands that he must develop Fish so that he can stand totally on his own. Phil won't be here forever and won't be able to be on the road continually. As it should be this is on Fish for the most part. As a group they should be able to get a lot done this year.

I can't speak for others but I don't bash fish for being a rookie. I bash Phil for setting him up to fail. And identifying fisher as a major variable for team success. Everybody thinks it's the pg position that's weak. I think the coach was the weakness. Hopefully based on summer league and the press conference.....that's now in the past. It's a new chapter.

holfresh wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

RicanHavok wrote:Realy appreciate the updates!

No Problem, it should be on the MSG website soon.

So pissed I missed this. As usual, sounds like uncle Phil had a lot to say.. If anyone knows if they'll be replaying this on TV or if it's supposed to go up on a website, please let us know. Thanks.

http://www.msg.com/teams/knicks.html

Thanks.

blkexec wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:I like what i've heard so far. Sounds like everyone is focusing in on more specific areas they need to improve. Everything in stages. I think Phil had to focus on Front Office stuff last year. There was so much he needed to learn and so much he actually had to do. There were so many decisions and moves to be made. Now after the big summer of decisions he can of course spend more time helping the team.

Phil said he did it in so many words because he wanted to give Fisher some space but he took it too far. You are right however that it gave Phil some time to learn being an exec. Having Phil much more involved with the team and basketball decisions is one of the best things Ive heard about the Knicks all summer. This will help with recruiting IMO, to what degree remains to be seen.

I thought he was giving fisher enough rope to completely hang himself, way too much space for a rookie coach. You could tell from the very first game that fisher was clueless.

Now i hope he travels with the team, and cut this phone conversations and txt messg out. His presence at practices and on the road will make a huge difference

How many presidents or GM's actually get involved in day to day coaching help with their Rookie Coach? Most have to figure it out on their own. Jason Kidd went thru his own journey with it's early struggles and if Kerr didn't have such a great team he too would've faced a lot more challenges. It's normal for a Rookie coach to have to go thru some trials. Having Phil help out is nice, but on game night it's still going to be 100% on Fish. Phil can help, but Phil isn't going to be the difference between success or failure for Fish this year. A great coach may add between 5-10 wins and quantifying how much of an impact Phil's visits will have would be even harder to gauge. It still is mostly about the roster and what Fish and his staff do on a daily basis. I'm glad Phil is going to do more, but we need to get off this Fish bashing and let him grow as ALL new Coaches must do.

Fish introduced his own tweaks that looked really good and should look even better with improved talent. Phil believes in Fish and also understands that he must develop Fish so that he can stand totally on his own. Phil won't be here forever and won't be able to be on the road continually. As it should be this is on Fish for the most part. As a group they should be able to get a lot done this year.

I can't speak for others but I don't bash fish for being a rookie. I bash Phil for setting him up to fail. And identifying fisher as a major variable for team success. Everybody thinks it's the pg position that's weak. I think the coach was the weakness. Hopefully based on summer league and the press conference.....that's now in the past. It's a new chapter.

It's very important that Jerian is here and hopefully he wins the Starting job cuz he has the most COMPLETE game out of all of our guards. Jerian is a true floor leader and scoring guard, which is what you want in the Triangle. That Big Combo guard is the right fit and I hope he has a great season cuz if he does it makes this team a completely different team.

holfresh wrote:Fish got paid a lot of money to take the Knick job...He wasn't ready for it..Some guys need time as an assistant and Fish may be one of those guys..Fish ask Phil to hang around more with the team and help in practice/watch film with him..I'm assuming to get the tutelage he is missing...That's big of Fish, admitting he doesn't know...I hope he rebounds quickly, the season is upon us...

Lets not make this like Fish has no idea what he's doing, which is utter nonsense. Phil who knows so much about the game and yet would hire someone who has no idea what he's doing? Of course he has a lot to learn still, but Phil knew that going in. Fish is a very bright guy and has some talent as a leader, which is what Phil wanted.

The team's issues were mostly TALENT related and not coaching related. You have great talent and a Monkey could be the head coach and the team would win games just off talent alone. If you give a coach almost no talent then it's highly likely that he's not going to be successful. Phil knows he put Fish in a tough spot last year. This year is about both men coming together to do everything possible to make sure this season is as successful as it can possibly be.

knicks1248 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:I like what i've heard so far. Sounds like everyone is focusing in on more specific areas they need to improve. Everything in stages. I think Phil had to focus on Front Office stuff last year. There was so much he needed to learn and so much he actually had to do. There were so many decisions and moves to be made. Now after the big summer of decisions he can of course spend more time helping the team.

Phil said he did it in so many words because he wanted to give Fisher some space but he took it too far. You are right however that it gave Phil some time to learn being an exec. Having Phil much more involved with the team and basketball decisions is one of the best things Ive heard about the Knicks all summer. This will help with recruiting IMO, to what degree remains to be seen.

I thought he was giving fisher enough rope to completely hang himself, way too much space for a rookie coach. You could tell from the very first game that fisher was clueless.

Now i hope he travels with the team, and cut this phone conversations and txt messg out. His presence at practices and on the road will make a huge difference

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

blkexec wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:I like what i've heard so far. Sounds like everyone is focusing in on more specific areas they need to improve. Everything in stages. I think Phil had to focus on Front Office stuff last year. There was so much he needed to learn and so much he actually had to do. There were so many decisions and moves to be made. Now after the big summer of decisions he can of course spend more time helping the team.

Phil said he did it in so many words because he wanted to give Fisher some space but he took it too far. You are right however that it gave Phil some time to learn being an exec. Having Phil much more involved with the team and basketball decisions is one of the best things Ive heard about the Knicks all summer. This will help with recruiting IMO, to what degree remains to be seen.

I thought he was giving fisher enough rope to completely hang himself, way too much space for a rookie coach. You could tell from the very first game that fisher was clueless.

Now i hope he travels with the team, and cut this phone conversations and txt messg out. His presence at practices and on the road will make a huge difference

How many presidents or GM's actually get involved in day to day coaching help with their Rookie Coach? Most have to figure it out on their own. Jason Kidd went thru his own journey with it's early struggles and if Kerr didn't have such a great team he too would've faced a lot more challenges. It's normal for a Rookie coach to have to go thru some trials. Having Phil help out is nice, but on game night it's still going to be 100% on Fish. Phil can help, but Phil isn't going to be the difference between success or failure for Fish this year. A great coach may add between 5-10 wins and quantifying how much of an impact Phil's visits will have would be even harder to gauge. It still is mostly about the roster and what Fish and his staff do on a daily basis. I'm glad Phil is going to do more, but we need to get off this Fish bashing and let him grow as ALL new Coaches must do.

Fish introduced his own tweaks that looked really good and should look even better with improved talent. Phil believes in Fish and also understands that he must develop Fish so that he can stand totally on his own. Phil won't be here forever and won't be able to be on the road continually. As it should be this is on Fish for the most part. As a group they should be able to get a lot done this year.

I can't speak for others but I don't bash fish for being a rookie. I bash Phil for setting him up to fail. And identifying fisher as a major variable for team success. Everybody thinks it's the pg position that's weak. I think the coach was the weakness. Hopefully based on summer league and the press conference.....that's now in the past. It's a new chapter.

You put a good to great PG on the floor and ANY coach will look lightyears better. You give him a Toney Douglas or Larkin and you'll look much worse. Cleveland didn't even let Iman handle the ball. Jose was a broke leg shadow of himself. Fish didn't have the Guard help until Shved showed what it was supposed to look like. You really do need a guard that has that Big Combo guard set of skills. That's where Jerian comes in.

It's very important that Jerian is here and hopefully he wins the Starting job cuz he has the most COMPLETE game out of all of our guards. Jerian is a true floor leader and scoring guard, which is what you want in the Triangle. That Big Combo guard is the right fit and I hope he has a great season cuz if he does it makes this team a completely different team.

fisher never ever looked really good, he look competent in a few games, "BUT REALLY GOOD" is a complete stretch.

I don't know why my critic of fisher always seem like I'm bashing him, there literally was nothing to praise him about, nothing at all. He had suspect players, and a president that let him trip over his own lace's.

This isn't any regular GM/Prez/Xplayer like many of the current ones in the position, We have an 11 time championship Coach thats now a president of the club, not to mention your running his sytem, under his rules. Thats why he should be visible on the road, and at praCTICE.

Stop comparing him to Kidd and kerr, it makes no sense, two absolutelly different circumstance

Don't compare Fish to other Rookie Head Coaches? Kidd had failures and there was heavy criticism in his rookie year. Kidd had issues to deal with but a better roster. Kerr had a ready made roster that already was a winning team. Taking on a winning team makes any coaches job easier. That's my point exactly. You can't bash Fish as not looking good when you know that there wasn't good health to start the year, his roster was torn down and his best player was injured.

Really no sense to what you are bashing him over. Who had this level of poor health, dysfunction and change and has looked good? It's hard to do that as a vet much less as a rookie head coach. Still, if you took the time to actually pay attention to what Fish did from a technical standpoint with the little talent he had you would know that he has some talent as a coach. He kept the team focused and they played hard for him even tho they didn't have enough talent. In terms of executing the basic nature of the offense they did that but if you don't have talented players it's nearly impossible for them to make full use of the options the offense gives. Still they were actually well coached from a technical standpoint but simply lacked talent.

Well said and 100% correct.