LivingLegend wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:arkrud wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:arkrud wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:arkrud wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:arkrud wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:arkrud wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Regardless of culture the sexual abuse of a child is wrong. If that isn't worth fighting and going to war over then nothing is.
Why raping women which is basically how treatment of women in general is from our perspective in any traditional Muslim country is not a big deal but raping boys is?
Or honor killing, or heads cutting, or stoning, or whatever?
Is making some nation follow the rules they do not yet understand worth killing 1 of 10 to enforce it?
You cannot be liberal with cannibals - they will broil you and eat you together with you liberal ideas and will not even choke.
There is no benefit for any culture to rape and or sexually abuse children. It only benefits the perversions of the ppl that choose to do so. Anyone who wants rape and sexual abuse over childern as part of there culture does not deserve to have a culture.
If the culture is centered on making most of the people leaving in fear and humiliation under the power of few this is very beneficial for this culture goals.
This culture assumed that most of the people are not capable to sustain their live and need strong leadership which should be enforced by any means.
This nations do not have enough wealth for every member to enjoy. So they consider a lot of human beings just a material which can be used and thrown away...
This how all human race used to leave in primitive times. And a lot of humans are still leave in societies like this.
Colonialism was a process of spreading more human culture to primitive societies by brutal means.
They were thinking that Goal approves the means.
Now we are not sure any more... Time to get our-self clear on this. We may have no choice but make a choice.
I get what your saying but that's not culture that's dictatorship. Claiming culture is making it seem as if there society as a whole wants there children and women to be raped.
Dictatorship is how culture manifest itself, secondary thing.
The human race is still young and still wild for the most part.
We did a lot of strides forward to secure, prosperous, human society.
But it is very uneven across the globe.
We need to have more compassion to those who born and raised into primitive cultures.
They need help not angry dismissal. This does not help.
Afghanistan has been a civilization longer then the US. A lot of the moral laws the US and other counrties use today were first established around that area. Humanity no matter how many yrs we live will always put selfish desires of there own over the needs of others. Leaders who view people at property to satisfy there perversions or even in general aren't fit to be leaders. And most likely are only in that position due to massive wealth and not due to there moral standing and leadership skills. True leaders would be looking to improve the living conditions of there ppl and using there allied pack with US to attempt to create something better.
I don't believe for them to be viewed as dumb savages. The people at the top and there tierney need to be removed from power.
The civilizations raze and fall.
Current Afghanistan has nothing to do with civilization of distant past.
The power which is is reflection of the society. You cannot remove it from outside without distraction of the society it is.
We see this clearly in Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Livia, etc.
The removal of locally established power no matter how inhuman it is leads to destruction, war, and misery all local people.
But we never learn...
The locals are suffering regardless. Sacrificing women and children isn't a fair price to pay. Removing local power can be smoothed over over time by establishing and supporting another local influence that maybe aren't as morally deluded.
US and Russia(USSR) are playing god and trying to progress nations for a long time.
Can you please point me out to any non-disastrous for local people result?
Which local influence you can use in Afghanistan instead of currently ruling Karzai Pushtun clan?
Taliban, Tadzhik rebels on the North, Hekmatyar, any other warlord/heroin king?
Alexander the Great, French, Russians, and us already dig countless graves for themselves and local people in this country.
Do you think it is not enough?
We can refuse to accept the request to ignore them sexually abusing boys. Fighting for there land, recources, religious beliefs is one thing. The desire to sexually abuse children is another. The answer can't be to comply and let them do as they please hoping one day they will progress past there perversion while maintaining alliance with them.
Tend to agree - we all know right from wrong regardless of where we may be in whatever part of the world.
If a guy is abusing a young boy or someone is raping a woman --- give our soldiers the right to put a bullet in their head and the next guy might think twice before dropping his drawers.
This has nothing to do with culture - it has to do with power. Right is right and wrong is wrong --- I say put a bullet in their head and they hurt nobody again.
But there, we are not right. Here we can do that.
I walk into your home and you ask me to take my shoes off. As a courtesy I do it. I don't in my house.
Even If I was asked to come and help you with something in your home, I take my shoes off. Its your custom. My feet smell and your wife won't look me in the eye cuz its not your culture.
What Do I do, demand she respect me and look at me? And Im gonna leave my shoes on?
Now, I would not be hurting anyone by refusing to leave my shoes on. Certainly raping a boy is not the same. What about raping a girl? Or marrying at 9 year old girl and having sex? What about stoning your daughter because she disrespected the family by kissing a boy? What about girls being enslaved in many places? Its shyt we know is phucked up, but we can't go around and shoot up the planet anymore than we already am!
This is not a moral discussion, its about our presence in Afghanistan.
