CrushAlot wrote:

knickscity wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knickscity wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knickscity wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knickscity wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knickscity wrote:I dont see anything wrong with that quote.

Tyson wont hesitate to blame Morris and his teammates if their season goes south and conveniently leave his name out no matter how poorly he plays. Wont be the first time.

I'm pretty sure Tyson did admit he sucked.

Pretty sure Crush remembers the particulars, but I wouldnt have brought it up if Tyson had mentioned his own play more often.

"more often" cant be serious. Tyson admitted he played like trash against the Pacers. Doesnt matter when, he's quoted as doing it. What player admits they played bad every time? Find one quote where Melo admits he shot like shyt every playoff as a Knick? You wont.

Tyson played like **** much too often after his DPOY year. He had no business pointing his fingers at anyone but himself. Good riddance.

Right...based on this logic, every previous Knick should be gone, because they all played like garbage after that season.

Not everyone on that team was a max player, and a team captain. Standards should be higher. It wasnt just a few games, long stretches over several seasons.

Tyson wasnt a max player or a team captain of the Knicks. he took less to join us and only Amare and Melo were captains.

He was brought to ny in part to be a leader and positive locker room presence. His comments during the Indy series were ridiculous. He spent his last year in nytrying to get his coach fired not trying to get guys to play together.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/knicks-chandler-admits-hibbert-kicked-butt-playoffs-article-1.1476594

Not about to post the article, I know everyone has read it, and he fully admits to getting his ass kicked. That last year he broke his leg in the first handful of games to start the season, and once he came back the season was basically lost. To be honest, I didnt see anything wrong with what Tyson said that year...he wanted to be more included in the offense since after all Woodson was the one who sent him to train with Hakeem which he did in NY. neither Tyson nor Amare were tasked with plays in game to use those new skills so Woodson should have been called out.

StarksEwing1 wrote:Who the hell cares about tyson? He isnt our problem anymore thank god.

GustavBahler wrote:

knickscity wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knickscity wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knickscity wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knickscity wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knickscity wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knickscity wrote:I dont see anything wrong with that quote.

Tyson wont hesitate to blame Morris and his teammates if their season goes south and conveniently leave his name out no matter how poorly he plays. Wont be the first time.

I'm pretty sure Tyson did admit he sucked.

Pretty sure Crush remembers the particulars, but I wouldnt have brought it up if Tyson had mentioned his own play more often.

"more often" cant be serious. Tyson admitted he played like trash against the Pacers. Doesnt matter when, he's quoted as doing it. What player admits they played bad every time? Find one quote where Melo admits he shot like shyt every playoff as a Knick? You wont.

Tyson played like **** much too often after his DPOY year. He had no business pointing his fingers at anyone but himself. Good riddance.

Right...based on this logic, every previous Knick should be gone, because they all played like garbage after that season.

Not everyone on that team was a max player, and a team captain. Standards should be higher. It wasnt just a few games, long stretches over several seasons.

Tyson wasnt a max player or a team captain of the Knicks. he took less to join us and only Amare and Melo were captains.

I got the captain part wrong, I should have just said "leader". As far as the max deal, I found several articles that referenced a max deal in 2011. Max, near max, still a big cap hit.

Thats odd, every article I read stated he took a deal from us that was less than Golden State offered, therefore he wasnt a max player. I dont know if :leader" is the right term either as he was referred to the previous year in Dallas before he signed with us as "missing piece".

So perhaps your expectations vs what Tyson actually is may very well be the issue. he's a defensive minded role player...nothing more.

I wouldnt go that far. Tyson spoke about himself as one of the team leaders. When Phil questioned his leadership after he left NY, Tyson spoke of how he was offended that his leadership was questioned. He was more than a role player.

I spent most of the season following his DPOY year defending Tyson on this board because he had also played in the Olympics, and Chandler had to deal with a lot on his plate in a short span. After that I saw a player who was glad just to have won a ring, a gold medal, and a DPOY. Nothing wrong with that of course, but the next season I saw a player who talked more than he delivered.

CrushAlot wrote:

knickscity wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knickscity wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knickscity wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knickscity wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knickscity wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knickscity wrote:I dont see anything wrong with that quote.

Tyson wont hesitate to blame Morris and his teammates if their season goes south and conveniently leave his name out no matter how poorly he plays. Wont be the first time.

I'm pretty sure Tyson did admit he sucked.

Pretty sure Crush remembers the particulars, but I wouldnt have brought it up if Tyson had mentioned his own play more often.

"more often" cant be serious. Tyson admitted he played like trash against the Pacers. Doesnt matter when, he's quoted as doing it. What player admits they played bad every time? Find one quote where Melo admits he shot like shyt every playoff as a Knick? You wont.

Tyson played like **** much too often after his DPOY year. He had no business pointing his fingers at anyone but himself. Good riddance.

Right...based on this logic, every previous Knick should be gone, because they all played like garbage after that season.

Not everyone on that team was a max player, and a team captain. Standards should be higher. It wasnt just a few games, long stretches over several seasons.

Tyson wasnt a max player or a team captain of the Knicks. he took less to join us and only Amare and Melo were captains.

He was brought to ny in part to be a leader and positive locker room presence. His comments during the Indy series were ridiculous. He spent his last year in nytrying to get his coach fired not trying to get guys to play together.

I see people recall what they want.....

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/knicks-chandler-admits-hibbert-kicked-butt-playoffs-article-1.1476594

Not about to post the article, I know everyone has read it, and he fully admits to getting his ass kicked. That last year he broke his leg in the first handful of games to start the season, and once he came back the season was basically lost. To be honest, I didnt see anything wrong with what Tyson said that year...he wanted to be more included in the offense since after all Woodson was the one who sent him to train with Hakeem which he did in NY. neither Tyson nor Amare were tasked with plays in game to use those new skills so Woodson should have been called out.

Not at all. His comments were during the playoffs when his team was being dominated by his man. Taking responsibility 6 months after calling out your teammates doesn't change things.

knickscity wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knickscity wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knickscity wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knickscity wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knickscity wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knickscity wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knickscity wrote:I dont see anything wrong with that quote.

Tyson wont hesitate to blame Morris and his teammates if their season goes south and conveniently leave his name out no matter how poorly he plays. Wont be the first time.

I'm pretty sure Tyson did admit he sucked.

Pretty sure Crush remembers the particulars, but I wouldnt have brought it up if Tyson had mentioned his own play more often.

"more often" cant be serious. Tyson admitted he played like trash against the Pacers. Doesnt matter when, he's quoted as doing it. What player admits they played bad every time? Find one quote where Melo admits he shot like shyt every playoff as a Knick? You wont.

Tyson played like **** much too often after his DPOY year. He had no business pointing his fingers at anyone but himself. Good riddance.

Right...based on this logic, every previous Knick should be gone, because they all played like garbage after that season.

Not everyone on that team was a max player, and a team captain. Standards should be higher. It wasnt just a few games, long stretches over several seasons.

Tyson wasnt a max player or a team captain of the Knicks. he took less to join us and only Amare and Melo were captains.

I got the captain part wrong, I should have just said "leader". As far as the max deal, I found several articles that referenced a max deal in 2011. Max, near max, still a big cap hit.

Thats odd, every article I read stated he took a deal from us that was less than Golden State offered, therefore he wasnt a max player. I dont know if :leader" is the right term either as he was referred to the previous year in Dallas before he signed with us as "missing piece".

So perhaps your expectations vs what Tyson actually is may very well be the issue. he's a defensive minded role player...nothing more.

I wouldnt go that far. Tyson spoke about himself as one of the team leaders. When Phil questioned his leadership after he left NY, Tyson spoke of how he was offended that his leadership was questioned. He was more than a role player.

I spent most of the season following his DPOY year defending Tyson on this board because he had also played in the Olympics, and Chandler had to deal with a lot on his plate in a short span. After that I saw a player who was glad just to have won a ring, a gold medal, and a DPOY. Nothing wrong with that of course, but the next season I saw a player who talked more than he delivered.

You do realize any player on the team can be a leader? Some lead by example, some lead in scoring some lead by professionalism....

None lead by just talking.

CrushAlot wrote:

knickscity wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knickscity wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knickscity wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knickscity wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knickscity wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knickscity wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knickscity wrote:I dont see anything wrong with that quote.

Tyson wont hesitate to blame Morris and his teammates if their season goes south and conveniently leave his name out no matter how poorly he plays. Wont be the first time.

I'm pretty sure Tyson did admit he sucked.

Pretty sure Crush remembers the particulars, but I wouldnt have brought it up if Tyson had mentioned his own play more often.

"more often" cant be serious. Tyson admitted he played like trash against the Pacers. Doesnt matter when, he's quoted as doing it. What player admits they played bad every time? Find one quote where Melo admits he shot like shyt every playoff as a Knick? You wont.

Tyson played like **** much too often after his DPOY year. He had no business pointing his fingers at anyone but himself. Good riddance.

Right...based on this logic, every previous Knick should be gone, because they all played like garbage after that season.

Not everyone on that team was a max player, and a team captain. Standards should be higher. It wasnt just a few games, long stretches over several seasons.

Tyson wasnt a max player or a team captain of the Knicks. he took less to join us and only Amare and Melo were captains.

He was brought to ny in part to be a leader and positive locker room presence. His comments during the Indy series were ridiculous. He spent his last year in nytrying to get his coach fired not trying to get guys to play together.

I see people recall what they want.....

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/knicks-chandler-admits-hibbert-kicked-butt-playoffs-article-1.1476594

Not about to post the article, I know everyone has read it, and he fully admits to getting his ass kicked. That last year he broke his leg in the first handful of games to start the season, and once he came back the season was basically lost. To be honest, I didnt see anything wrong with what Tyson said that year...he wanted to be more included in the offense since after all Woodson was the one who sent him to train with Hakeem which he did in NY. neither Tyson nor Amare were tasked with plays in game to use those new skills so Woodson should have been called out.

Not at all. His comments were during the playoffs when his team was being dominated by his man. Taking responsibility 6 months after calling out your teammates doesn't change things.

It should when you're still harping on it years after both events happened. personally the fact is, Tyson admitted it. Hibbert actually is a better center, but Tyson shouldnt have been dominated like that, even though he was coming off an injury and was sick to which players on his team admitted he gets ill alot from being around his kids in-season. It makes sense now. What doesnt make sense is the feelings towards a player that the Knicks havent come close to replacing.

I posted a link to an article in the daily news from the following season when Tyson was criticizing Woodson in the media and going to mills trying to get Woodson fired. Seems like he might not be the guy to talk about playing for the coach or his teammates. Just my opinion.