But KP seems hell bent on not falling into that category by any means

knicks1248 wrote:I think phil really meant that but hoping he's wrong, and KP took it as motivation. There's been a lot of tall lanky white players that never really lived u to there potential.

But KP seems hell bent on not falling into that category by any means

There has to be a kernel of truth to a dig Phil takes at a player or else it doesn't have any purpose. KP being tall and frail it only makes sense that Phil would want to give the kid as much motivation as possible. We can't ignore the decades of Phil tweaking his players in order to motivate them. It's what he does and he never stops doing it. You know damn well he did the on purpose to get in KP's head. Why else would any GM say such a thing about his top 4 1st rd pick?

Cartman718 wrote:

martin wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:I wish Phil would say something like this about Derrick Williams.

now thats funny

It's not like Phil just ignored DWill. He had plenty to say about him and to him. My point is that Phil is a very deep thinker when it comes to evaluating NBA talent and he always has been that way. Reading what Phil said about DWill indicates that he didn't just grab the kid without some thought about what has been going on with him and how he could improve DWill's game. Despite many of the naysayers we don't have a fool running this team. Phil is a top Basketball mind. The worst part of last season is that it allowed many to question Phil's thinking. Clowns like SAS can make fun but he is a Know Nothing Loud Mouth and has no clue what Phil knows about the game. I used to have feel Phil was a bit overrated tho I always respected him, but with a lot more research I've come to have more respect for him as a basketball mind.

Phil regarding DWill.

"A lot of people have questioned our signing Derrick, but I think he has a considerable upside. He runs, finishes in early-offense situations and has the strength to finish in a crowd when he attacks the rim from the wing. He's working on his 3-point shooting and his intermediate game. I also think he can play power forward against certain opponents.

"I mean, there's no doubt that Derrick has the talent, size and strength to be a more-than-capable NBA player. However, his development has been hindered by several factors. From the start of his pro career, being the second overall draft pick has been like an albatross around his neck, something that he, and lots of other people, felt a lot of pressure to live up to. I told him that right now he's an NBA player and it no longer makes any difference where he was drafted. He just has to learn how to play the game the right way. That means developing a defensive mindset, developing an intermediate game and improving his long-range shooting.

"Another reason why Derrick hasn't really blossomed was that he never found a comfort space in an NBA offense, which means that his role was never clearly defined. Was he a post-up or a pull-up scorer? Was he a small or a power forward? Hopefully, he can find those answers with us.

"Derrick is an L.A. kid, so he saw plenty of Lakers games. That, and his studying of videos on YouTube, has him confident that he already knows the triangle.

"Anyway, Derrick is a player who will hopefully find his way back into a starter's role."

This is Phil pumping DWill's confidence up. He knows that each player needs something different. KP needed to be challenged and DWill lacks confidence after so much failure and negative talk about him, so Phil took a different approach with him. This isn't Phil's 1st time dealing with players and Knicks fans should all know that he's been highly successful in reading his players over the years. Naysayers need to stop focusing on last season so much and pay attention to what is actually going on.

this i do agree with that he does know his personnel...but are these his personnel or fisher's? why is fisher mum through this whole process? i think he needs to take on some of phil's personality as a coach.

coach's job to get in front of a microphone and praise every move as soon as it happens so that fans know? Maybe Phil and Fish can pat each other on their respective backs for the camera?

what i am saying is that these ongoing comments about the various players... more focussed on what phil thinks.
whereas what it should be is...all hearing what fisher has to say about it.

fisher is going to be there game to game. KP should have heard those exact same words from fisher and that would have really lit a fire under KP's ass.

Sasha Vujacic on Fish and Phil.

“Derek Fisher was my teammate and had that role of the leader and someone that had coaching in him afterwards. So when you see those two great people being in the same seat and on the same page, then you’ve got to be ready and follow. I was more than happy and excited to be a part of the journey.”

martin wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

martin wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:I wish Phil would say something like this about Derrick Williams.

now thats funny

It's not like Phil just ignored DWill. He had plenty to say about him and to him. My point is that Phil is a very deep thinker when it comes to evaluating NBA talent and he always has been that way. Reading what Phil said about DWill indicates that he didn't just grab the kid without some thought about what has been going on with him and how he could improve DWill's game. Despite many of the naysayers we don't have a fool running this team. Phil is a top Basketball mind. The worst part of last season is that it allowed many to question Phil's thinking. Clowns like SAS can make fun but he is a Know Nothing Loud Mouth and has no clue what Phil knows about the game. I used to have feel Phil was a bit overrated tho I always respected him, but with a lot more research I've come to have more respect for him as a basketball mind.

Phil regarding DWill.

"A lot of people have questioned our signing Derrick, but I think he has a considerable upside. He runs, finishes in early-offense situations and has the strength to finish in a crowd when he attacks the rim from the wing. He's working on his 3-point shooting and his intermediate game. I also think he can play power forward against certain opponents.

"I mean, there's no doubt that Derrick has the talent, size and strength to be a more-than-capable NBA player. However, his development has been hindered by several factors. From the start of his pro career, being the second overall draft pick has been like an albatross around his neck, something that he, and lots of other people, felt a lot of pressure to live up to. I told him that right now he's an NBA player and it no longer makes any difference where he was drafted. He just has to learn how to play the game the right way. That means developing a defensive mindset, developing an intermediate game and improving his long-range shooting.

"Another reason why Derrick hasn't really blossomed was that he never found a comfort space in an NBA offense, which means that his role was never clearly defined. Was he a post-up or a pull-up scorer? Was he a small or a power forward? Hopefully, he can find those answers with us.

"Derrick is an L.A. kid, so he saw plenty of Lakers games. That, and his studying of videos on YouTube, has him confident that he already knows the triangle.

"Anyway, Derrick is a player who will hopefully find his way back into a starter's role."

This is Phil pumping DWill's confidence up. He knows that each player needs something different. KP needed to be challenged and DWill lacks confidence after so much failure and negative talk about him, so Phil took a different approach with him. This isn't Phil's 1st time dealing with players and Knicks fans should all know that he's been highly successful in reading his players over the years. Naysayers need to stop focusing on last season so much and pay attention to what is actually going on.

this i do agree with that he does know his personnel...but are these his personnel or fisher's? why is fisher mum through this whole process? i think he needs to take on some of phil's personality as a coach.

coach's job to get in front of a microphone and praise every move as soon as it happens so that fans know? Maybe Phil and Fish can pat each other on their respective backs for the camera?

what i am saying is that these ongoing comments about the various players... more focussed on what phil thinks.
whereas what it should be is...all hearing what fisher has to say about it.

fisher is going to be there game to game. KP should have heard those exact same words from fisher and that would have really lit a fire under KP's ass.

Phil did a very nice expose with Rosen, and because of that, you hold it against Fisher. Again, why does a coach always need to be in front of a microphone for fans?

I think Fish is glad Phil is the one doing most of the talking to the press. He's not the egomaniac that Phil is. He's got his own style which will continue to develop over time. He's likely gonna take some things from Phil but not everything is gonna fit with Fish's personality as a coach.

Still Fish is an excellent communicator. I suspect he'll get better at his job as he learns from experience. We don't really need 2 Phil's.

Cartman718 wrote:

martin wrote:Phil did a very nice expose with Rosen, and because of that, you hold it against Fisher. Again, why does a coach always need to be in front of a microphone for fans?

because this is NY. just like the players... he knew what he was signing up for. why do you think a rookie coach got that deal...just for coaching or being part of the dog and pony show too?

coaching, prior relationship with Phil, prior experience with Triangle, prior experience with players, respected by locker room guys and players in general, head of players association, potential as leader and coach.

Dog and pony show got nothing to do with nothing

knickscity wrote:

Nalod wrote:Some thought the same thing about Kerr. He no doubt would have had a lousy record here as well.

True, last years team was garbage, but I doubt GS wins that title with Fisher as the coach.

Kerr was lucky. He already saw what MDA did with a great PG and small ball team. He brings in an experienced coach in Alvin Gentry as his top assistant, who also knew SSOL among other things. Kerr still used Triangle. Just tweaked it to fit a faster roster. He wouldn't have done that in NY.

Fish is in the right spot but you can't say he wouldn't have been very successful in GS. That team was primed to win already. The style Phil is gearing this team towards is like his last Lakers team. Fish is perfect for that type of team cuz he knows that style inside n out.

Cartman718 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Nalod wrote:Some thought the same thing about Kerr. He no doubt would have had a lousy record here as well.

True, last years team was garbage, but I doubt GS wins that title with Fisher as the coach.

Kerr was lucky. He already saw what MDA did with a great PG and small ball team. He brings in an experienced coach in Alvin Gentry as his top assistant, who also knew SSOL among other things. Kerr still used Triangle. Just tweaked it to fit a faster roster. He wouldn't have done that in NY.

Fish is in the right spot but you can't say he wouldn't have been very successful in GS. That team was primed to win already. The style Phil is gearing this team towards is like his last Lakers team. Fish is perfect for that type of team cuz he knows that style inside n out.

Fish would not have won a championship as a coach of gsw. thats factorial.

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Nalod wrote:Some thought the same thing about Kerr. He no doubt would have had a lousy record here as well.

True, last years team was garbage, but I doubt GS wins that title with Fisher as the coach.

Kerr was lucky. He already saw what MDA did with a great PG and small ball team. He brings in an experienced coach in Alvin Gentry as his top assistant, who also knew SSOL among other things. Kerr still used Triangle. Just tweaked it to fit a faster roster. He wouldn't have done that in NY.

Fish is in the right spot but you can't say he wouldn't have been very successful in GS. That team was primed to win already. The style Phil is gearing this team towards is like his last Lakers team. Fish is perfect for that type of team cuz he knows that style inside n out.

How is it luck if you took time away from the court to study the landscape? Kerr not only was able to see players from a GM perspective but also as an analyst. Kerr used simple basketball concepts. Kerr runs alot of hybrid action from damn near every coach he's heard of. But what made Kerr such a success is ability to game plan. GS didnt score and defend by accident. While Fisher actually told his team not to guard the three, Kerr never did such nonsense, but challenged players to hold their own. Curry actually guards his pg counter now, not like he did under Jax by having Klay do it.

Since I know you love videos, he's one I'm sure you'll enjoy....

You don't have to convince me of the good job Kerr did. You're not going to try and paint me as being anti Kerr. I just pointed out that he did have GREAT talent to work with and a team that wasn't far off and just needed the right coaching. Kerr also had Alvin Gentry helping him so it's not like he was just doing all this by himself. Kerr knew that Alvin was a very knowledgable offensive coach. Kerr wasn't alone in all of this and he had great talent and high character players all over the place. HUGE difference from what Fish had.

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Nalod wrote:Some thought the same thing about Kerr. He no doubt would have had a lousy record here as well.

True, last years team was garbage, but I doubt GS wins that title with Fisher as the coach.

Kerr was lucky. He already saw what MDA did with a great PG and small ball team. He brings in an experienced coach in Alvin Gentry as his top assistant, who also knew SSOL among other things. Kerr still used Triangle. Just tweaked it to fit a faster roster. He wouldn't have done that in NY.

Fish is in the right spot but you can't say he wouldn't have been very successful in GS. That team was primed to win already. The style Phil is gearing this team towards is like his last Lakers team. Fish is perfect for that type of team cuz he knows that style inside n out.

How is it luck if you took time away from the court to study the landscape? Kerr not only was able to see players from a GM perspective but also as an analyst. Kerr used simple basketball concepts. Kerr runs alot of hybrid action from damn near every coach he's heard of. But what made Kerr such a success is ability to game plan. GS didnt score and defend by accident. While Fisher actually told his team not to guard the three, Kerr never did such nonsense, but challenged players to hold their own. Curry actually guards his pg counter now, not like he did under Jax by having Klay do it.

Since I know you love videos, he's one I'm sure you'll enjoy....

You don't have to convince me of the good job Kerr did. You're not going to try and paint me as being anti Kerr. I just pointed out that he did have GREAT talent to work with and a team that wasn't far off and just needed the right coaching. Kerr also had Alvin Gentry helping him so it's not like he was just doing all this by himself. Kerr knew that Alvin was a very knowledgable offensive coach. Kerr wasn't alone in all of this and he had great talent and high character players all over the place. HUGE difference from what Fish had.

So hold up? Kerr hires Gentry, and instead of praising him you want to deflect? FOH. Kerr knows what he is doing, thats why he made the decisions he did. To be great you surround yourself with such. Kerr would not have here what he has in GS. Kerr was qualified in every sense of the word, Fisher was still in the visitors shower when he got hired. The only reason why Fisher doesnt have the same things at his disposal is because he was not qualified, green to the position, and Phil. Kerr has Gentry who is a Greg Poppavich disciple, Fisher has Kurt Rambis.....lol. it isnt just talent either, otherwise mark jackson should have gotten that team past the second round.

Here in NY Fish is also getting great assistance from the same guys who were there with Phil when he won titles. They know this system inside and out. Also with regards to defense, just understand that what you think the Knicks were about last year has very little to do with how they'll be set up to defend this year with better defensive talent. Phil, Rambis, Cleamons and Fish know everything there is to know about championship Defense. Don't get it twisted!!! You and others are stuck on last year and don't know what you're talking about. The Knicks coaching and braintrust takes a backseat to no one in the league. You think Phil, Fish and the staff don't know what other staffs know about championship ball??? Come on man that's simply naive and ridiculous. How many Finals are we talking about between them?

Stop being a Self Hating Knicks fan and trashing your own team just cuz it's your habit to be negative about anything Knicks. I get so tired of this "grass is always greener" attitude. WE are the ones with a bunch of Title winning Coaches and a President with tons of rings!!! Let's allow them time to get this team right. We are not a dysfunctional franchise anymore and we have great leadership. Phil has made very smart moves this summer and now we have to let the process develop and the team grow from here.

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Nalod wrote:Some thought the same thing about Kerr. He no doubt would have had a lousy record here as well.

True, last years team was garbage, but I doubt GS wins that title with Fisher as the coach.

Kerr was lucky. He already saw what MDA did with a great PG and small ball team. He brings in an experienced coach in Alvin Gentry as his top assistant, who also knew SSOL among other things. Kerr still used Triangle. Just tweaked it to fit a faster roster. He wouldn't have done that in NY.

Fish is in the right spot but you can't say he wouldn't have been very successful in GS. That team was primed to win already. The style Phil is gearing this team towards is like his last Lakers team. Fish is perfect for that type of team cuz he knows that style inside n out.

How is it luck if you took time away from the court to study the landscape? Kerr not only was able to see players from a GM perspective but also as an analyst. Kerr used simple basketball concepts. Kerr runs alot of hybrid action from damn near every coach he's heard of. But what made Kerr such a success is ability to game plan. GS didnt score and defend by accident. While Fisher actually told his team not to guard the three, Kerr never did such nonsense, but challenged players to hold their own. Curry actually guards his pg counter now, not like he did under Jax by having Klay do it.

Since I know you love videos, he's one I'm sure you'll enjoy....

You don't have to convince me of the good job Kerr did. You're not going to try and paint me as being anti Kerr. I just pointed out that he did have GREAT talent to work with and a team that wasn't far off and just needed the right coaching. Kerr also had Alvin Gentry helping him so it's not like he was just doing all this by himself. Kerr knew that Alvin was a very knowledgable offensive coach. Kerr wasn't alone in all of this and he had great talent and high character players all over the place. HUGE difference from what Fish had.

So hold up? Kerr hires Gentry, and instead of praising him you want to deflect? FOH. Kerr knows what he is doing, thats why he made the decisions he did. To be great you surround yourself with such. Kerr would not have here what he has in GS. Kerr was qualified in every sense of the word, Fisher was still in the visitors shower when he got hired. The only reason why Fisher doesnt have the same things at his disposal is because he was not qualified, green to the position, and Phil. Kerr has Gentry who is a Greg Poppavich disciple, Fisher has Kurt Rambis.....lol. it isnt just talent either, otherwise mark jackson should have gotten that team past the second round.

You can stop trying to make it sound like i'm dissing Kerr or don't like him or don't recognize hiring Gentry was a great move. STOP! I'm not saying anything but the truth. Kerr had a GREAT roster and he had GREAT help from Gentry who knew all of MDA's stuff in addition to boatloads of other NBA tactics. He was a perfect guy to have assisting with that roster.

Here in NY Fish is also getting great assistance from the same guys who were there with Phil when he won titles. They know this system inside and out. Also with regards to defense, just understand that what you think the Knicks were about last year has very little to do with how they'll be set up to defend this year with better defensive talent. Phil, Rambis, Cleamons and Fish know everything there is to know about championship Defense. Don't get it twisted!!! You and others are stuck on last year and don't know what you're talking about. The Knicks coaching and braintrust takes a backseat to no one in the league. You think Phil, Fish and the staff don't know what other staffs know about championship ball??? Come on man that's simply naive and ridiculous. How many Finals are we talking about between them?

Stop being a Self Hating Knicks fan and trashing your own team just cuz it's your habit to be negative about anything Knicks. I get so tired of this "grass is always greener" attitude. WE are the ones with a bunch of Title winning Coaches and a President with tons of rings!!! Let's allow them time to get this team right. We are not a dysfunctional franchise anymore and we have great leadership. Phil has made very smart moves this summer and now we have to let the process develop and the team grow from here.