Cartman718 wrote:the actual stamp of a president GM takes more than 1 year to accomplish... isiah has simply inherited until now... it is next year that we will see what he's able to do.

This is the power of politics... It is not what one did but what is a perception of what he did.
Nobody cares about hard work or sh..ty job of those who are gone. Man in charge get all the blames and frames.
Everything else is a mute point.
There are only few who can see the world in motion, who can understand the process and the system.
But they seat silent in the corner and watch the madness of the crowds.
What matters is the result which makes the mark in the history of the game.
Isiah left his marks, great and ugly, and nothing will wash them away.

knicks1248 wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:the actual stamp of a president GM takes more than 1 year to accomplish... isiah has simply inherited until now... it is next year that we will see what he's able to do.

This is the power of politics... It is not what one did but what is a perception of what he did.
Nobody cares about hard work or sh..ty job of those who are gone. Man in charge get all the blames and frames.
Everything else is a mute point.
There are only few who can see the world in motion, who can understand the process and the system.
But they seat silent in the corner and watch the madness of the crowds.
What matters is the result which makes the mark in the history of the game.
Isiah left his marks, great and ugly, and nothing will wash them away.

are some kind of poet

Was juts in a mood...

We're not competing for a Championship next year or the year after.

That said, we've speeded the rebuild with solid role players with flexibilty and movable contracts, Melo included.

We'll have cap room next summer and keep adding to this core. This year is all about all the players gelling and buying into Phil's system, the yoots growing, and Fish ascending and coming into his own as a coach.

Baby steps, I'd take 30-35 wins in a heartbeat.

knicks1248 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Doesn't matter if we hit 41. Anything over 17 is technically improving.

We're not competing for a Championship next year or the year after.

That said, we've speeded the rebuild with solid role players with flexibilty and movable contracts, Melo included.

We'll have cap room next summer and keep adding to this core. This year is all about all the players gelling and buying into Phil's system, the yoots growing, and Fish ascending and coming into his own as a coach.

Baby steps, I'd take 30-35 wins in a heartbeat.

Lol, the whole league will have 20+k in cap space, and 30 to 35 wins will get you more 2nd tier players. No real FA is going to make a 30 win team it's top destination.

I mean we just saw this less then 3 month ago, how quickly we forget.

The team went from 37 wins to 17 wins in one season, why can't it be reverse this season. After leading the franchise to a land sliding disaster of a season, you want baby steps..you guys are nuts.

If you were single look for a date, do you dress half ass and drive a hooptie and expect to attract any pretty chicks attn.

lets keep it 100, we need to make a massive jump as far as credibility.

The 37 win team has the carcasses of Amare, Bargnani, fat ass Felton, flu Tyson, Pipe JR, and always angry Shump.

This new team is purged of any remnants of the previous regime, and is a much younger core to boot.

You gotta build with a philosophy first and stick with it.

Took Golden State a few years to get to where they are now too:

Season     Lg                    Team  W  L W/L% Finish   SRS  Pace Rel_Pace  ORtg Rel_ORtg  DRtg Rel_DRtg               Playoffs                                 Coaches               Top WS
2014-15   NBA  Golden State Warriors* 67 15 .817      1 10.01  98.3      4.4 111.6      6.0 101.4     -4.2             Won Finals                         S. Kerr (67-15)       S. Curry(15.7)
2013-14   NBA  Golden State Warriors* 51 31 .622      2  5.15  96.2      2.3 107.5      0.8 102.6     -4.1 Lost W. Conf. 1st Rnd.                      M. Jackson (51-31)       S. Curry(13.4)
2012-13   NBA  Golden State Warriors* 47 35 .573      2  1.32  94.5      2.5 106.4      0.5 105.5     -0.4    Lost W. Conf. Semis                      M. Jackson (47-35)       S. Curry(11.2)
2011-12   NBA   Golden State Warriors 23 43 .348      4 -2.79  92.3      1.0 105.4      0.8 109.1      4.5                                             M. Jackson (23-43)          D. Lee(5.0)
2010-11   NBA   Golden State Warriors 36 46 .439      3 -2.00  94.8      2.7 108.2      0.9 110.7      3.4                                               K. Smart (36-46)        S. Curry(6.6)

Going from 37 wins to 17 wins was a necessary evil. Had to get rid of that no offense having can't figure out switch defense chump Woodson and that yes man Grunwald that somehow gave up the 2016 first round pick in the Bargnani trade.

All new bloods, Fish entering year 2, and only remaining holdover is Melo. Trade rumors already swirling with him, but I'm excited for the season with or without him in the mix.

WaltLongmire wrote:Funniest thing about this thread's title and the article is that there is really no recognition of how Thomas f'd up the Knicks...and how he did it on so many levels.

It's almost as if Thomas had never been in Phil's shoes before with the Knicks, and had simply been another applicant for the job Phil would eventually get.

Funniest line...He added ex-Knick assistant Herb Williams to the coaching staff to work with the frontcourt players.
I like Herb as a player, and he seems like a good guy...but never thought of him as a guy who could teach bigs the game. Does any PF or C in the league give Herb credit for turning around their game...just wondering.

I could probably live with Thomas being a talent assessor on the Knicks, but he had his chance to run the franchise, and he came up short.

Comparing the two jobs is foolish beyond belief.

Exactly. Two entirely different set of circumstances and Isiah already failed where Phil is just starting and by all accounts should have a grade of incomplete.

Nalod wrote:Isiah and Herb now working for the Liberty. Next we'll see Marbury go transgender and play for them?

Juwannabury?

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:Isiah and Herb now working for the Liberty. Next we'll see Marbury go transgender and play for them?

Juwannabury?

No one know the secret powers of Vaseline...

martin wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:Funniest thing about this thread's title and the article is that there is really no recognition of how Thomas f'd up the Knicks...and how he did it on so many levels.

It's almost as if Thomas had never been in Phil's shoes before with the Knicks, and had simply been another applicant for the job Phil would eventually get.

Funniest line...He added ex-Knick assistant Herb Williams to the coaching staff to work with the frontcourt players.
I like Herb as a player, and he seems like a good guy...but never thought of him as a guy who could teach bigs the game. Does any PF or C in the league give Herb credit for turning around their game...just wondering.

I could probably live with Thomas being a talent assessor on the Knicks, but he had his chance to run the franchise, and he came up short.

Comparing the two jobs is foolish beyond belief.

Exactly. Two entirely different set of circumstances and Isiah already failed where Phil is just starting and by all accounts should have a grade of incomplete.

IMO the biggest move was drafting KP, trading THJ so he could pick Jerian and drafting Willy. That was a master stroke and too many media and some fans aren't recognizing the importance of those moves. Sure right this minute those players haven't done anything yet, but they do have significant talent and potential. I see dedication and BB IQ and passion for the game in these young players. They are the future of this franchise and that's what Phil has done for this franchise. Yes they have to actually play the games, but in terms of what a GM is supposed to do, Phil made great use of his resources this summer. Some may quibble with a move here or there, but overall Phil did a good job.

martin wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:Funniest thing about this thread's title and the article is that there is really no recognition of how Thomas f'd up the Knicks...and how he did it on so many levels.

It's almost as if Thomas had never been in Phil's shoes before with the Knicks, and had simply been another applicant for the job Phil would eventually get.

Funniest line...He added ex-Knick assistant Herb Williams to the coaching staff to work with the frontcourt players.
I like Herb as a player, and he seems like a good guy...but never thought of him as a guy who could teach bigs the game. Does any PF or C in the league give Herb credit for turning around their game...just wondering.

I could probably live with Thomas being a talent assessor on the Knicks, but he had his chance to run the franchise, and he came up short.

Comparing the two jobs is foolish beyond belief.

Exactly. Two entirely different set of circumstances and Isiah already failed where Phil is just starting and by all accounts should have a grade of incomplete.

Isiah's grade would be incomplete as well, as this is his first season as prez of the liberty, but his first moves have put a losing franchise into a winning one right away

Phil has reduce the level of progress to people feeling comfortable with 30 to 35 wins. Essentially, the roster can finish with 27 wins and that would be a 10 game improvement, at the same time it can land you right back to the top of the lottery board with no lottery pick.

So 41 wins is not a option, it's a absolute must, or this is just another horrible failing season, with a little growth.