Guy's old as the dirt in point guard years. Let's not forget the carcasses Billups, Mike Bibby, and BDiddy. Old ass carcasses never work out for the Knicks at point guard.

ChuckBuck wrote:I'm sorry I gotta side with the naysayers on this one. Start Calderon in the beginning of the season to mentor, to teach and groom Grant into the lead guard role, and mainly because he's due $15m over the next 2 seasons.

Guy's old as the dirt in point guard years. Let's not forget the carcasses Billups, Mike Bibby, and BDiddy. Old ass carcasses never work out for the Knicks at point guard.

Pablo objects to that....

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Knicks1969 wrote:Since he is still on the roster, I wish him much success

obviously i root for his success. But if you put a gun to my head and ask me if he has a bounce back year i still would say no. I hope he proves me wrong. However i think jerian grant will be the man sooner rather than later

why?

Calderon doesn't rely on athleticism. I guess the only argument I can see is decline because of age, turning 34 in Sept. Jose misses games every year but not a ton outside of last year and '11-12, been pretty consistent across his career and I think this is the first summer he is NOT playing in Euro qualifying or something.

Jose will never be a defender but I hope he can provide leadership, shooting and teach Grant and Galloway a ton about being a PG.

Yes Galloway's game has really progressed since playing with calderon

did they have training camp together? Preseason? How many games? Toss in the learning curve of just arriving in the NBA, etc. It's a process not an overnight phenomenon.

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:I'm sorry I gotta side with the naysayers on this one. Start Calderon in the beginning of the season to mentor, to teach and groom Grant into the lead guard role, and mainly because he's due $15m over the next 2 seasons.

Guy's old as the dirt in point guard years. Let's not forget the carcasses Billups, Mike Bibby, and BDiddy. Old ass carcasses never work out for the Knicks at point guard.

Pablo objects to that....

Lol, listen I love and respect what Pablo did as a Knick in his short time here.

We talkin' Pablo Prigioni. Pablo Prigioni?!!

Now I'm sounding like Allen Iverson!

Let's try to keep it recent history, A.D. After Dolan took over.

Not too many shining examples of over 30 point guards surface. Kidd had the luxury of playing off diet Felton for like 75% of the season, before his tires fell off and he ceded to Pablo.

Old point guards and Knicks do not mix in the 21st century. They all end like this sooner or later.

Knicks1969 wrote:For a starter, Jose does not average 8 assists per game. In the triangle,he will never have the ball in his hands as he used to in the past. Given his age, inability to defend the most important position on the floor, I see no need for him on the roster. The only thing he is good for is shooting the three ball, but he is a reluctant shooter

Already stated that he hasn't recently been used as a ball dominant PG. His rate of assists to TO's has remained solid. When he does have the ball he can set up his teammates at a high level and make smart decisions with the ball. Despite not ever being a good defender he can still be a solid player for this team overall. As for Jose only being good for shooting the 3 ball that is an exaggeration but basically he is a great 3pt shooter and shooter in general. If he's healthy he can be a positive offensive player for this team. We didn't get to see a fully healthy Jose last year, but if he is healthy he should help. His ability to help the team play efficient offense is a plus. Sure he will need help defensively but that's why we have added more defensive players. My guess is that Jose is the reason Phil mentioned using a Zone at times this season.

It's not like anyone is expecting Jose to be a superstar. We need him healthy because when he is healthy he can help add depth at guard and take some of the load off Jerian and Gallo. Jose is the type of guard that can still be effective at an advanced age because he has never been very athletic and his success is based on his skills and BB IQ. Just give us solid efficient minutes in a reduced role. We al want Jerian to be the starter and we're gonna need Jerian to develop and assume a greater role but not be rushed too fast. If Jerian shows he can handle it, GREAT! If not it helps to have a vet like Jose who can give us solid minutes. That's why any team wants a vet presence.

ChuckBuck wrote:@Nalod, if we're playing that game, the best over 30 point we had was Derek Harper.

Let's try to keep it recent history, A.D. After Dolan took over.

Not too many shining examples of over 30 point guards surface. Kidd had the luxury of playing off diet Felton for like 75% of the season, before his tires fell off and he ceded to Pablo.

Old point guards and Knicks do not mix in the 21st century. They all end like this sooner or later.

Play this game: How many young azz point guards have truly worked out for the Knicks in recent history? And the two week wonderLin doesn't count. Since he didn't end up much better than you're BDiddy pic.

Marbles?