WP76 wrote:I'm concerned about the grind he'll face over the 95 or so games he'll play during the upcoming year. Most players coming from college "hit a wall" at about the All-Star break or 40 games because they've never played beyond that in their amateur careers.

Porzingis is skinny and he's never played anything close to a full college season so it's pretty likely he'll be running on fumes after about February, at best.

I can understand the concern but then why didn't it impact Kevin Durant in his rookie season? I don't think any NBA player has come in with a weaker body than KD. Are we to assume that every rookie must succumb to a rookie wall?

Season	Age Tm  Lg  Pos G  GS MP   FG  FGA  FG%  3P  3PA  3P% 2P  2PA  2P%  eFG% FT  FTA  FT% ORB  DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF  PTS
2007-08	19  SEA	NBA SG	80 80 34.6 7.3 17.1 .430 0.7 2.6 .288 6.6 14.5 .455 .451 4.9 5.6 .873 0.9  3.5 4.4 2.4 1.0 0.9 2.9 1.5 20.3

IMO it's about a players commitment to conditioning and who they play. KP is more of a finesse player like KD. As long as he is well trained and sticks to pro level nutrition he has a chance to really have a solid rookie season. It's not about how strong a player is.

nixluva wrote:

WP76 wrote:I'm concerned about the grind he'll face over the 95 or so games he'll play during the upcoming year. Most players coming from college "hit a wall" at about the All-Star break or 40 games because they've never played beyond that in their amateur careers.

Porzingis is skinny and he's never played anything close to a full college season so it's pretty likely he'll be running on fumes after about February, at best.

I can understand the concern but then why didn't it impact Kevin Durant in his rookie season? I don't think any NBA player has come in with a weaker body than KD. Are we to assume that every rookie must succumb to a rookie wall?

Season	Age Tm  Lg  Pos G  GS MP   FG  FGA  FG%  3P  3PA  3P% 2P  2PA  2P%  eFG% FT  FTA  FT% ORB  DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF  PTS
2007-08	19  SEA	NBA SG	80 80 34.6 7.3 17.1 .430 0.7 2.6 .288 6.6 14.5 .455 .451 4.9 5.6 .873 0.9  3.5 4.4 2.4 1.0 0.9 2.9 1.5 20.3

IMO it's about a players commitment to conditioning and who they play. KP is more of a finesse player like KD. As long as he is well trained and sticks to pro level nutrition he has a chance to really have a solid rookie season. It's not about how strong a player is.

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

WP76 wrote:I'm concerned about the grind he'll face over the 95 or so games he'll play during the upcoming year. Most players coming from college "hit a wall" at about the All-Star break or 40 games because they've never played beyond that in their amateur careers.

Porzingis is skinny and he's never played anything close to a full college season so it's pretty likely he'll be running on fumes after about February, at best.

I can understand the concern but then why didn't it impact Kevin Durant in his rookie season? I don't think any NBA player has come in with a weaker body than KD. Are we to assume that every rookie must succumb to a rookie wall?

Season	Age Tm  Lg  Pos G  GS MP   FG  FGA  FG%  3P  3PA  3P% 2P  2PA  2P%  eFG% FT  FTA  FT% ORB  DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF  PTS
2007-08	19  SEA	NBA SG	80 80 34.6 7.3 17.1 .430 0.7 2.6 .288 6.6 14.5 .455 .451 4.9 5.6 .873 0.9  3.5 4.4 2.4 1.0 0.9 2.9 1.5 20.3

IMO it's about a players commitment to conditioning and who they play. KP is more of a finesse player like KD. As long as he is well trained and sticks to pro level nutrition he has a chance to really have a solid rookie season. It's not about how strong a player is.

its ok to be concerned with the long season. Its actually a fair statement by WP 76. Now that doesnt mean KP will hit a wall BUT even phil said its a strong possibility in his first year

I'm not saying it won't happen. Thing is that I can show a few examples of players NOT having a significant issue with the 1st time thru an NBA season. All rookies will at some point feel the impact of the hectic pace of the NBA. Phil said he hoped KP would start about 20 MPG and hopefully add to that if he does well. KD played 34.6 MPG!!! Dude was without a doubt one of the weakest players I can every remember coming into the NBA.

I'm just not buying this thing that we have to always expect less from our own players. Even when there's ample evidence of players with less talent doing about what the writer in the article predicts for KP. KP has the talent to be in range of the guys prediction. It's up to him IMO. If you're a top 4 pick, 7-3 with a pure stroke, quickness and agility then you should be expected to perform like other top rookies have been able to perform. No guarantees, but KP has just as much of a chance to do it as any other pick.

knickscity wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

WP76 wrote:I'm concerned about the grind he'll face over the 95 or so games he'll play during the upcoming year. Most players coming from college "hit a wall" at about the All-Star break or 40 games because they've never played beyond that in their amateur careers.

Porzingis is skinny and he's never played anything close to a full college season so it's pretty likely he'll be running on fumes after about February, at best.

I can understand the concern but then why didn't it impact Kevin Durant in his rookie season? I don't think any NBA player has come in with a weaker body than KD. Are we to assume that every rookie must succumb to a rookie wall?

Season	Age Tm  Lg  Pos G  GS MP   FG  FGA  FG%  3P  3PA  3P% 2P  2PA  2P%  eFG% FT  FTA  FT% ORB  DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF  PTS
2007-08	19  SEA	NBA SG	80 80 34.6 7.3 17.1 .430 0.7 2.6 .288 6.6 14.5 .455 .451 4.9 5.6 .873 0.9  3.5 4.4 2.4 1.0 0.9 2.9 1.5 20.3

IMO it's about a players commitment to conditioning and who they play. KP is more of a finesse player like KD. As long as he is well trained and sticks to pro level nutrition he has a chance to really have a solid rookie season. It's not about how strong a player is.

its ok to be concerned with the long season. Its actually a fair statement by WP 76. Now that doesnt mean KP will hit a wall BUT even phil said its a strong possibility in his first year

I'm not saying it won't happen. Thing is that I can show a few examples of players NOT having a significant issue with the 1st time thru an NBA season. All rookies will at some point feel the impact of the hectic pace of the NBA. Phil said he hoped KP would start about 20 MPG and hopefully add to that if he does well. KD played 34.6 MPG!!! Dude was without a doubt one of the weakest players I can every remember coming into the NBA.

I'm just not buying this thing that we have to always expect less from our own players. Even when there's ample evidence of players with less talent doing about what the writer in the article predicts for KP. KP has the talent to be in range of the guys prediction. It's up to him IMO. If you're a top 4 pick, 7-3 with a pure stroke, quickness and agility then you should be expected to perform like other top rookies have been able to perform. No guarantees, but KP has just as much of a chance to do it as any other pick.

who said we expect less from our players? In fact knick fans are probably the most patient fans considering the past 15 years have been brutal. We all want KP to be great right away but the probability of that isnt high but that doesnt mean he wont have a successful rookie year

Durant was frail, but he wasn't weak from an NBA standpoint, neither is Porzingis. Durant had a weak core, basically could lift weights. I think it was reported he couldnt bench 185, which certainly is laughable. Seattle did right him....play him at shooting guard. But I dont think a "few" examples disprove a player going to have a rookie wall issue...most do, so that should be not only expected but embraced. If Porzingis doesnt really hit a wall, even better for the team and himself.

2014-15 Rookies Leaders.
SCORING AVERAGE        G   FG  FT  PTS  AVG     REBOUNDS PER GAME     G  OFF  DEF  TOT  AVG     ASSISTS PER GAME       G  AST  AVG
Wiggins, Min.         82  497 354 1387 16.9     Noel, Phi.           75  185  426  611  8.1     Payton, Orl.          82  533  6.5
Clarkson, LA-L        59  267 131  703 11.9     Nurkic, Den.         62  125  257  382  6.2     LaVine, Min.          77  276  3.6
Galloway, N.Y.        45  204  63  533 11.8     Black, Hou.-LA-L     63  142  226  368  5.8     Clarkson, LA-L        59  206  3.5
Mirotic, Chi.         82  253 228  833 10.2     McGary, OKC.         32   53  112  165  5.2     Galloway, N.Y.        45  150  3.3
LaVine, Min.          77  286 149  778 10.1     Payne, Atl.-Min.     32   48  114  162  5.1     Smart, Bos.           67  208  3.1
Noel, Phi.            75  302 140  744  9.9     Mirotic, Chi.        82   63  341  404  4.9     Dinwiddie, Det.       34  104  3.1
Bogdanovic, Bkn.      78  261  87  700  9.0     Wiggins, Min.        82  134  240  374  4.6     Napier, Mia.          51  130  2.5
Payton, Orl.          82  301 118  731  8.9     Aldemir, Phi.        41   78   98  176  4.3     Exum, Utah            82  198  2.4
Hood, Utah            50  155  61  433  8.7     Payton, Orl.         82  107  242  349  4.3     Ingles, Utah          79  182  2.3
McDaniels, Phi.-Hou.  62  172 100  487  7.9     Galloway, N.Y.       45   37  153  190  4.2     Ennis, Pho.-Mil.      33   73  2.2
Smart, Bos.           67  175  82  523  7.8     A. Gordon, Orl.      47   46  123  169  3.6     Wiggins, Min.         82  170  2.1
Nurkic, Den.          62  171  84  426  6.9     Smart, Bos.          67   61  161  222  3.3     Papanikolaou, Hou.    43   85  2.0
Payne, Atl.-Min.      32   91  30  213  6.7     Clarkson, LA-L       59   56  135  191  3.2     Noel, Phi.            75  128  1.7
Grant, Phi.           65  124 114  411  6.3     McDaniels, Phi.-Hou. 62   65  135  200  3.2     Hood, Utah            50   83  1.7
McGary, OKC.          32   88  25  201  6.3     Millsap, Utah        47   28  122  150  3.2     Johnson, Mia.         32   42  1.3
Warren, Pho.          40  113  14  245  6.1     Grant, Phi.          65   49  149  198  3.0     Millsap, Utah         47   58  1.2
Black, Hou.-LA-L      63  157  65  379  6.0     Jefferson, Bkn.      50   47   98  145  2.9     Grant, Phi.           65   79  1.2
Johnson, Mia.         32   70  32  190  5.9     Ennis, Mia.          62   51  125  176  2.8     Mirotic, Chi.         82   97  1.2
Hairston, Cha.        45   87  31  254  5.6     LaVine, Min.         77   27  187  214  2.8     McDaniels, Phi.-Hou.  62   72  1.2
Early, N.Y.           39   76  36  210  5.4     Papanikolaou, Hou.   43   39   79  118  2.7     Sampson, Phi.         74   77  1.0

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

WP76 wrote:I'm concerned about the grind he'll face over the 95 or so games he'll play during the upcoming year. Most players coming from college "hit a wall" at about the All-Star break or 40 games because they've never played beyond that in their amateur careers.

Porzingis is skinny and he's never played anything close to a full college season so it's pretty likely he'll be running on fumes after about February, at best.

I can understand the concern but then why didn't it impact Kevin Durant in his rookie season? I don't think any NBA player has come in with a weaker body than KD. Are we to assume that every rookie must succumb to a rookie wall?

Season	Age Tm  Lg  Pos G  GS MP   FG  FGA  FG%  3P  3PA  3P% 2P  2PA  2P%  eFG% FT  FTA  FT% ORB  DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF  PTS
2007-08	19  SEA	NBA SG	80 80 34.6 7.3 17.1 .430 0.7 2.6 .288 6.6 14.5 .455 .451 4.9 5.6 .873 0.9  3.5 4.4 2.4 1.0 0.9 2.9 1.5 20.3

IMO it's about a players commitment to conditioning and who they play. KP is more of a finesse player like KD. As long as he is well trained and sticks to pro level nutrition he has a chance to really have a solid rookie season. It's not about how strong a player is.

its ok to be concerned with the long season. Its actually a fair statement by WP 76. Now that doesnt mean KP will hit a wall BUT even phil said its a strong possibility in his first year

I'm not saying it won't happen. Thing is that I can show a few examples of players NOT having a significant issue with the 1st time thru an NBA season. All rookies will at some point feel the impact of the hectic pace of the NBA. Phil said he hoped KP would start about 20 MPG and hopefully add to that if he does well. KD played 34.6 MPG!!! Dude was without a doubt one of the weakest players I can every remember coming into the NBA.

I'm just not buying this thing that we have to always expect less from our own players. Even when there's ample evidence of players with less talent doing about what the writer in the article predicts for KP. KP has the talent to be in range of the guys prediction. It's up to him IMO. If you're a top 4 pick, 7-3 with a pure stroke, quickness and agility then you should be expected to perform like other top rookies have been able to perform. No guarantees, but KP has just as much of a chance to do it as any other pick.

who said we expect less from our players? In fact knick fans are probably the most patient fans considering the past 15 years have been brutal. We all want KP to be great right away but the probability of that isnt high but that doesnt mean he wont have a successful rookie year

Durant was frail, but he wasn't weak from an NBA standpoint, neither is Porzingis. Durant had a weak core, basically could lift weights. I think it was reported he couldnt bench 185, which certainly is laughable. Seattle did right him....play him at shooting guard. But I dont think a "few" examples disprove a player going to have a rookie wall issue...most do, so that should be not only expected but embraced. If Porzingis doesnt really hit a wall, even better for the team and himself.

Sure as I stated, most rookies are going to experience some fatigue going from any other league to the NBA. That still doesn't preclude KP from having a solid Rookie season. That's all the writer of the article was saying. He didn't post anything outrageous for a talented rookie. In fact it's right in line with many of the other top Rookies from last year. One you may have heard of.

2014-15 Rookies Leaders.
SCORING AVERAGE        G   FG  FT  PTS  AVG     REBOUNDS PER GAME     G  OFF  DEF  TOT  AVG     ASSISTS PER GAME       G  AST  AVG
Wiggins, Min.         82  497 354 1387 16.9     Noel, Phi.           75  185  426  611  8.1     Payton, Orl.          82  533  6.5
Clarkson, LA-L        59  267 131  703 11.9     Nurkic, Den.         62  125  257  382  6.2     LaVine, Min.          77  276  3.6
Galloway, N.Y.        45  204  63  533 11.8     Black, Hou.-LA-L     63  142  226  368  5.8     Clarkson, LA-L        59  206  3.5
Mirotic, Chi.         82  253 228  833 10.2     McGary, OKC.         32   53  112  165  5.2     Galloway, N.Y.        45  150  3.3
LaVine, Min.          77  286 149  778 10.1     Payne, Atl.-Min.     32   48  114  162  5.1     Smart, Bos.           67  208  3.1
Noel, Phi.            75  302 140  744  9.9     Mirotic, Chi.        82   63  341  404  4.9     Dinwiddie, Det.       34  104  3.1
Bogdanovic, Bkn.      78  261  87  700  9.0     Wiggins, Min.        82  134  240  374  4.6     Napier, Mia.          51  130  2.5
Payton, Orl.          82  301 118  731  8.9     Aldemir, Phi.        41   78   98  176  4.3     Exum, Utah            82  198  2.4
Hood, Utah            50  155  61  433  8.7     Payton, Orl.         82  107  242  349  4.3     Ingles, Utah          79  182  2.3
McDaniels, Phi.-Hou.  62  172 100  487  7.9     Galloway, N.Y.       45   37  153  190  4.2     Ennis, Pho.-Mil.      33   73  2.2
Smart, Bos.           67  175  82  523  7.8     A. Gordon, Orl.      47   46  123  169  3.6     Wiggins, Min.         82  170  2.1
Nurkic, Den.          62  171  84  426  6.9     Smart, Bos.          67   61  161  222  3.3     Papanikolaou, Hou.    43   85  2.0
Payne, Atl.-Min.      32   91  30  213  6.7     Clarkson, LA-L       59   56  135  191  3.2     Noel, Phi.            75  128  1.7
Grant, Phi.           65  124 114  411  6.3     McDaniels, Phi.-Hou. 62   65  135  200  3.2     Hood, Utah            50   83  1.7
McGary, OKC.          32   88  25  201  6.3     Millsap, Utah        47   28  122  150  3.2     Johnson, Mia.         32   42  1.3
Warren, Pho.          40  113  14  245  6.1     Grant, Phi.          65   49  149  198  3.0     Millsap, Utah         47   58  1.2
Black, Hou.-LA-L      63  157  65  379  6.0     Jefferson, Bkn.      50   47   98  145  2.9     Grant, Phi.           65   79  1.2
Johnson, Mia.         32   70  32  190  5.9     Ennis, Mia.          62   51  125  176  2.8     Mirotic, Chi.         82   97  1.2
Hairston, Cha.        45   87  31  254  5.6     LaVine, Min.         77   27  187  214  2.8     McDaniels, Phi.-Hou.  62   72  1.2
Early, N.Y.           39   76  36  210  5.4     Papanikolaou, Hou.   43   39   79  118  2.7     Sampson, Phi.         74   77  1.0

Noice chart, I dont think anyone including myself said Porzingis cant have a good season, so not sure why you're lunging into that tangent.

What I did ask was specific, what big came into the league in his first year and post 46% shooting and 37% from three? Those are all-star %'s....totally unrealistic.

As for the shooting percentages, how many 7-3 guys have the specific talents that KP has. People are having a hard time really coming up with comparisons. He's a rare prospect. It may never happen but then again if he's even close to those numbers it's a success.

Andrea Bargnani
Season	Age Tm  Lg  Pos G  GS  MP  FG   FGA   FG%  3P  3PA  3P%  2P  2PA  2P%  FT  FTA  FT%  REB  AST  STL  BLK  TOV  PF  PTS
2006-07	21  TOR	NBA PF	65 2  1629 5.9	13.8  .427 2.2 5.9  .373 3.7 7.9 .468  2.6 3.1	.824 5.6  1.1  0.7  1.2  2.4  4.  16.6

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

WP76 wrote:I'm concerned about the grind he'll face over the 95 or so games he'll play during the upcoming year. Most players coming from college "hit a wall" at about the All-Star break or 40 games because they've never played beyond that in their amateur careers.

Porzingis is skinny and he's never played anything close to a full college season so it's pretty likely he'll be running on fumes after about February, at best.

I can understand the concern but then why didn't it impact Kevin Durant in his rookie season? I don't think any NBA player has come in with a weaker body than KD. Are we to assume that every rookie must succumb to a rookie wall?

Season	Age Tm  Lg  Pos G  GS MP   FG  FGA  FG%  3P  3PA  3P% 2P  2PA  2P%  eFG% FT  FTA  FT% ORB  DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF  PTS
2007-08	19  SEA	NBA SG	80 80 34.6 7.3 17.1 .430 0.7 2.6 .288 6.6 14.5 .455 .451 4.9 5.6 .873 0.9  3.5 4.4 2.4 1.0 0.9 2.9 1.5 20.3

IMO it's about a players commitment to conditioning and who they play. KP is more of a finesse player like KD. As long as he is well trained and sticks to pro level nutrition he has a chance to really have a solid rookie season. It's not about how strong a player is.

its ok to be concerned with the long season. Its actually a fair statement by WP 76. Now that doesnt mean KP will hit a wall BUT even phil said its a strong possibility in his first year

I'm not saying it won't happen. Thing is that I can show a few examples of players NOT having a significant issue with the 1st time thru an NBA season. All rookies will at some point feel the impact of the hectic pace of the NBA. Phil said he hoped KP would start about 20 MPG and hopefully add to that if he does well. KD played 34.6 MPG!!! Dude was without a doubt one of the weakest players I can every remember coming into the NBA.

I'm just not buying this thing that we have to always expect less from our own players. Even when there's ample evidence of players with less talent doing about what the writer in the article predicts for KP. KP has the talent to be in range of the guys prediction. It's up to him IMO. If you're a top 4 pick, 7-3 with a pure stroke, quickness and agility then you should be expected to perform like other top rookies have been able to perform. No guarantees, but KP has just as much of a chance to do it as any other pick.

who said we expect less from our players? In fact knick fans are probably the most patient fans considering the past 15 years have been brutal. We all want KP to be great right away but the probability of that isnt high but that doesnt mean he wont have a successful rookie year

Durant was frail, but he wasn't weak from an NBA standpoint, neither is Porzingis. Durant had a weak core, basically could lift weights. I think it was reported he couldnt bench 185, which certainly is laughable. Seattle did right him....play him at shooting guard. But I dont think a "few" examples disprove a player going to have a rookie wall issue...most do, so that should be not only expected but embraced. If Porzingis doesnt really hit a wall, even better for the team and himself.

Sure as I stated, most rookies are going to experience some fatigue going from any other league to the NBA. That still doesn't preclude KP from having a solid Rookie season. That's all the writer of the article was saying. He didn't post anything outrageous for a talented rookie. In fact it's right in line with many of the other top Rookies from last year. One you may have heard of.

2014-15 Rookies Leaders.
SCORING AVERAGE        G   FG  FT  PTS  AVG     REBOUNDS PER GAME     G  OFF  DEF  TOT  AVG     ASSISTS PER GAME       G  AST  AVG
Wiggins, Min.         82  497 354 1387 16.9     Noel, Phi.           75  185  426  611  8.1     Payton, Orl.          82  533  6.5
Clarkson, LA-L        59  267 131  703 11.9     Nurkic, Den.         62  125  257  382  6.2     LaVine, Min.          77  276  3.6
Galloway, N.Y.        45  204  63  533 11.8     Black, Hou.-LA-L     63  142  226  368  5.8     Clarkson, LA-L        59  206  3.5
Mirotic, Chi.         82  253 228  833 10.2     McGary, OKC.         32   53  112  165  5.2     Galloway, N.Y.        45  150  3.3
LaVine, Min.          77  286 149  778 10.1     Payne, Atl.-Min.     32   48  114  162  5.1     Smart, Bos.           67  208  3.1
Noel, Phi.            75  302 140  744  9.9     Mirotic, Chi.        82   63  341  404  4.9     Dinwiddie, Det.       34  104  3.1
Bogdanovic, Bkn.      78  261  87  700  9.0     Wiggins, Min.        82  134  240  374  4.6     Napier, Mia.          51  130  2.5
Payton, Orl.          82  301 118  731  8.9     Aldemir, Phi.        41   78   98  176  4.3     Exum, Utah            82  198  2.4
Hood, Utah            50  155  61  433  8.7     Payton, Orl.         82  107  242  349  4.3     Ingles, Utah          79  182  2.3
McDaniels, Phi.-Hou.  62  172 100  487  7.9     Galloway, N.Y.       45   37  153  190  4.2     Ennis, Pho.-Mil.      33   73  2.2
Smart, Bos.           67  175  82  523  7.8     A. Gordon, Orl.      47   46  123  169  3.6     Wiggins, Min.         82  170  2.1
Nurkic, Den.          62  171  84  426  6.9     Smart, Bos.          67   61  161  222  3.3     Papanikolaou, Hou.    43   85  2.0
Payne, Atl.-Min.      32   91  30  213  6.7     Clarkson, LA-L       59   56  135  191  3.2     Noel, Phi.            75  128  1.7
Grant, Phi.           65  124 114  411  6.3     McDaniels, Phi.-Hou. 62   65  135  200  3.2     Hood, Utah            50   83  1.7
McGary, OKC.          32   88  25  201  6.3     Millsap, Utah        47   28  122  150  3.2     Johnson, Mia.         32   42  1.3
Warren, Pho.          40  113  14  245  6.1     Grant, Phi.          65   49  149  198  3.0     Millsap, Utah         47   58  1.2
Black, Hou.-LA-L      63  157  65  379  6.0     Jefferson, Bkn.      50   47   98  145  2.9     Grant, Phi.           65   79  1.2
Johnson, Mia.         32   70  32  190  5.9     Ennis, Mia.          62   51  125  176  2.8     Mirotic, Chi.         82   97  1.2
Hairston, Cha.        45   87  31  254  5.6     LaVine, Min.         77   27  187  214  2.8     McDaniels, Phi.-Hou.  62   72  1.2
Early, N.Y.           39   76  36  210  5.4     Papanikolaou, Hou.   43   39   79  118  2.7     Sampson, Phi.         74   77  1.0

Noice chart, I dont think anyone including myself said Porzingis cant have a good season, so not sure why you're lunging into that tangent.

What I did ask was specific, what big came into the league in his first year and post 46% shooting and 37% from three? Those are all-star %'s....totally unrealistic.

There would be no argument of no one questioned if KP could have a good season!

As for the shooting percentages, how many 7-3 guys have the specific talents that KP has. People are having a hard time really coming up with comparisons. He's a rare prospect. It may never happen but then again if he's even close to those numbers it's a success.

Andrea Bargnani
Season	Age Tm  Lg  Pos G  GS  MP  FG   FGA   FG%  3P  3PA  3P%  2P  2PA  2P%  FT  FTA  FT%  REB  AST  STL  BLK  TOV  PF  PTS
2006-07	21  TOR	NBA PF	65 2  1629 5.9	13.8  .427 2.2 5.9  .373 3.7 7.9 .468  2.6 3.1	.824 5.6  1.1  0.7  1.2  2.4  4.  16.6

No one has questioned that, he certainly can be successful even if he hits the rookie wall, thats why I dont understand why you have on your SWAT uniform...lol. No need to get defensive on things not even being questioned. As for my actual question I see you cannot provide the answer, yet say those expectations arent realistic...of course they are.

How many bigs came into the league and in their rookie season shot 46% overall and 37% from three? Simple question. I dont wanna see "if he gets close". Answer the question otherwise to expect what hardly anyone has ever done is the pure definition of unrealisitc. Porzingis can have a good season by simply adapting the NBA game. He's a rookie...lol. See how I did that, didnt need a power point presentation either.

Bojan Bogdonavic - 2014-15 Regular Season 23.8 MPG .453 FG% .355 3P%

As I said before how many bigs have we seen like KP coming into the league with his kind of shooting from the perimeter at his size and age? Those guys are rare. Kaminsky is a great shooter as well, but he's an older, more developed player. I'm not saying KP is a lock to post those exact shooting Percentages, which would be a great season for a rookie. It's not impossible to be in that range.

knickscity wrote:

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StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

WP76 wrote:I'm concerned about the grind he'll face over the 95 or so games he'll play during the upcoming year. Most players coming from college "hit a wall" at about the All-Star break or 40 games because they've never played beyond that in their amateur careers.

Porzingis is skinny and he's never played anything close to a full college season so it's pretty likely he'll be running on fumes after about February, at best.

I can understand the concern but then why didn't it impact Kevin Durant in his rookie season? I don't think any NBA player has come in with a weaker body than KD. Are we to assume that every rookie must succumb to a rookie wall?

Season	Age Tm  Lg  Pos G  GS MP   FG  FGA  FG%  3P  3PA  3P% 2P  2PA  2P%  eFG% FT  FTA  FT% ORB  DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF  PTS
2007-08	19  SEA	NBA SG	80 80 34.6 7.3 17.1 .430 0.7 2.6 .288 6.6 14.5 .455 .451 4.9 5.6 .873 0.9  3.5 4.4 2.4 1.0 0.9 2.9 1.5 20.3

IMO it's about a players commitment to conditioning and who they play. KP is more of a finesse player like KD. As long as he is well trained and sticks to pro level nutrition he has a chance to really have a solid rookie season. It's not about how strong a player is.

its ok to be concerned with the long season. Its actually a fair statement by WP 76. Now that doesnt mean KP will hit a wall BUT even phil said its a strong possibility in his first year

I'm not saying it won't happen. Thing is that I can show a few examples of players NOT having a significant issue with the 1st time thru an NBA season. All rookies will at some point feel the impact of the hectic pace of the NBA. Phil said he hoped KP would start about 20 MPG and hopefully add to that if he does well. KD played 34.6 MPG!!! Dude was without a doubt one of the weakest players I can every remember coming into the NBA.

I'm just not buying this thing that we have to always expect less from our own players. Even when there's ample evidence of players with less talent doing about what the writer in the article predicts for KP. KP has the talent to be in range of the guys prediction. It's up to him IMO. If you're a top 4 pick, 7-3 with a pure stroke, quickness and agility then you should be expected to perform like other top rookies have been able to perform. No guarantees, but KP has just as much of a chance to do it as any other pick.

who said we expect less from our players? In fact knick fans are probably the most patient fans considering the past 15 years have been brutal. We all want KP to be great right away but the probability of that isnt high but that doesnt mean he wont have a successful rookie year

Durant was frail, but he wasn't weak from an NBA standpoint, neither is Porzingis. Durant had a weak core, basically could lift weights. I think it was reported he couldnt bench 185, which certainly is laughable. Seattle did right him....play him at shooting guard. But I dont think a "few" examples disprove a player going to have a rookie wall issue...most do, so that should be not only expected but embraced. If Porzingis doesnt really hit a wall, even better for the team and himself.

Sure as I stated, most rookies are going to experience some fatigue going from any other league to the NBA. That still doesn't preclude KP from having a solid Rookie season. That's all the writer of the article was saying. He didn't post anything outrageous for a talented rookie. In fact it's right in line with many of the other top Rookies from last year. One you may have heard of.

2014-15 Rookies Leaders.
SCORING AVERAGE        G   FG  FT  PTS  AVG     REBOUNDS PER GAME     G  OFF  DEF  TOT  AVG     ASSISTS PER GAME       G  AST  AVG
Wiggins, Min.         82  497 354 1387 16.9     Noel, Phi.           75  185  426  611  8.1     Payton, Orl.          82  533  6.5
Clarkson, LA-L        59  267 131  703 11.9     Nurkic, Den.         62  125  257  382  6.2     LaVine, Min.          77  276  3.6
Galloway, N.Y.        45  204  63  533 11.8     Black, Hou.-LA-L     63  142  226  368  5.8     Clarkson, LA-L        59  206  3.5
Mirotic, Chi.         82  253 228  833 10.2     McGary, OKC.         32   53  112  165  5.2     Galloway, N.Y.        45  150  3.3
LaVine, Min.          77  286 149  778 10.1     Payne, Atl.-Min.     32   48  114  162  5.1     Smart, Bos.           67  208  3.1
Noel, Phi.            75  302 140  744  9.9     Mirotic, Chi.        82   63  341  404  4.9     Dinwiddie, Det.       34  104  3.1
Bogdanovic, Bkn.      78  261  87  700  9.0     Wiggins, Min.        82  134  240  374  4.6     Napier, Mia.          51  130  2.5
Payton, Orl.          82  301 118  731  8.9     Aldemir, Phi.        41   78   98  176  4.3     Exum, Utah            82  198  2.4
Hood, Utah            50  155  61  433  8.7     Payton, Orl.         82  107  242  349  4.3     Ingles, Utah          79  182  2.3
McDaniels, Phi.-Hou.  62  172 100  487  7.9     Galloway, N.Y.       45   37  153  190  4.2     Ennis, Pho.-Mil.      33   73  2.2
Smart, Bos.           67  175  82  523  7.8     A. Gordon, Orl.      47   46  123  169  3.6     Wiggins, Min.         82  170  2.1
Nurkic, Den.          62  171  84  426  6.9     Smart, Bos.          67   61  161  222  3.3     Papanikolaou, Hou.    43   85  2.0
Payne, Atl.-Min.      32   91  30  213  6.7     Clarkson, LA-L       59   56  135  191  3.2     Noel, Phi.            75  128  1.7
Grant, Phi.           65  124 114  411  6.3     McDaniels, Phi.-Hou. 62   65  135  200  3.2     Hood, Utah            50   83  1.7
McGary, OKC.          32   88  25  201  6.3     Millsap, Utah        47   28  122  150  3.2     Johnson, Mia.         32   42  1.3
Warren, Pho.          40  113  14  245  6.1     Grant, Phi.          65   49  149  198  3.0     Millsap, Utah         47   58  1.2
Black, Hou.-LA-L      63  157  65  379  6.0     Jefferson, Bkn.      50   47   98  145  2.9     Grant, Phi.           65   79  1.2
Johnson, Mia.         32   70  32  190  5.9     Ennis, Mia.          62   51  125  176  2.8     Mirotic, Chi.         82   97  1.2
Hairston, Cha.        45   87  31  254  5.6     LaVine, Min.         77   27  187  214  2.8     McDaniels, Phi.-Hou.  62   72  1.2
Early, N.Y.           39   76  36  210  5.4     Papanikolaou, Hou.   43   39   79  118  2.7     Sampson, Phi.         74   77  1.0

Noice chart, I dont think anyone including myself said Porzingis cant have a good season, so not sure why you're lunging into that tangent.

What I did ask was specific, what big came into the league in his first year and post 46% shooting and 37% from three? Those are all-star %'s....totally unrealistic.

There would be no argument of no one questioned if KP could have a good season!

As for the shooting percentages, how many 7-3 guys have the specific talents that KP has. People are having a hard time really coming up with comparisons. He's a rare prospect. It may never happen but then again if he's even close to those numbers it's a success.

Andrea Bargnani
Season	Age Tm  Lg  Pos G  GS  MP  FG   FGA   FG%  3P  3PA  3P%  2P  2PA  2P%  FT  FTA  FT%  REB  AST  STL  BLK  TOV  PF  PTS
2006-07	21  TOR	NBA PF	65 2  1629 5.9	13.8  .427 2.2 5.9  .373 3.7 7.9 .468  2.6 3.1	.824 5.6  1.1  0.7  1.2  2.4  4.  16.6

No one has questioned that, he certainly can be successful even if he hits the rookie wall, thats why I dont understand why you have on your SWAT uniform...lol. No need to get defensive on things not even being questioned. As for my actual question I see you cannot provide the answer, yet say those expectations arent realistic...of course they are.

How many bigs came into the league and in their rookie season shot 46% overall and 37% from three? Simple question. I dont wanna see "if he gets close". Answer the question otherwise to expect what hardly anyone has ever done is the pure definition of unrealisitc. Porzingis can have a good season by simply adapting the NBA game. He's a rookie...lol. See how I did that, didnt need a power point presentation either.

I did post that Bargs came pretty close to doing that in his rookie year at 42.7% and 37.3%. Nerlens Noel shot 46.2% but he doesn't shoot 3's. Jabari Parker shot 49% but only 25% from 3. The closest?

Bojan Bogdonavic - 2014-15 Regular Season 23.8 MPG .453 FG% .355 3P%

As I said before how many bigs have we seen like KP coming into the league with his kind of shooting from the perimeter at his size and age? Those guys are rare. Kaminsky is a great shooter as well, but he's an older, more developed player. I'm not saying KP is a lock to post those exact shooting Percentages, which would be a great season for a rookie. It's not impossible to be in that range.

I'm not talking about range though, and neither was the article writer. The writer said 12 ppg, if I said nah, he'll only score 8, would that still be within "range"? No, and someone like you would say I'm putting the kid down.

You cant call 46% and 37% from a big realistic when it hasnt or has hardly ever happened. I said the article was good, but his prediction is highly unrealistic. If Porzingis accomplishes it he'd likely be the first to do so, great of course, but not a realistic expectation.

The writer mentioned some positive aspects for KP is that he has great mechanics and the ability to catch and shoot on the move. Also being 7-3 with a relatively high release point, he should be able to get the shots he wants. As long as KP is moving he's going to be able to get great shots at the basket, in mid range and from 3. The small sample from his Euro season shows a some pretty nice shooting for such a young player. NBA level of course is tougher but he did do this against a pretty good talent level and as a very young player.

Kristaps Porzingis
International Regular Season Stats - Totals
Season	Team	  GP GS Min    FGM FGA  FG% 3FGM 3FGA  3P%  FTM FTA  FT%  FIC OFF DEF Reb Ast Stl Blk PF  TO Pts
2014-15 All Teams 50 27 1072.3 207 417 .496 42   117  .359  94  125  .752 368 69  161 230 27  45  52  131 71 550

knickscity wrote:

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nixluva wrote:

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nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

WP76 wrote:I'm concerned about the grind he'll face over the 95 or so games he'll play during the upcoming year. Most players coming from college "hit a wall" at about the All-Star break or 40 games because they've never played beyond that in their amateur careers.

Porzingis is skinny and he's never played anything close to a full college season so it's pretty likely he'll be running on fumes after about February, at best.

I can understand the concern but then why didn't it impact Kevin Durant in his rookie season? I don't think any NBA player has come in with a weaker body than KD. Are we to assume that every rookie must succumb to a rookie wall?

Season	Age Tm  Lg  Pos G  GS MP   FG  FGA  FG%  3P  3PA  3P% 2P  2PA  2P%  eFG% FT  FTA  FT% ORB  DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF  PTS
2007-08	19  SEA	NBA SG	80 80 34.6 7.3 17.1 .430 0.7 2.6 .288 6.6 14.5 .455 .451 4.9 5.6 .873 0.9  3.5 4.4 2.4 1.0 0.9 2.9 1.5 20.3

IMO it's about a players commitment to conditioning and who they play. KP is more of a finesse player like KD. As long as he is well trained and sticks to pro level nutrition he has a chance to really have a solid rookie season. It's not about how strong a player is.

its ok to be concerned with the long season. Its actually a fair statement by WP 76. Now that doesnt mean KP will hit a wall BUT even phil said its a strong possibility in his first year

I'm not saying it won't happen. Thing is that I can show a few examples of players NOT having a significant issue with the 1st time thru an NBA season. All rookies will at some point feel the impact of the hectic pace of the NBA. Phil said he hoped KP would start about 20 MPG and hopefully add to that if he does well. KD played 34.6 MPG!!! Dude was without a doubt one of the weakest players I can every remember coming into the NBA.

I'm just not buying this thing that we have to always expect less from our own players. Even when there's ample evidence of players with less talent doing about what the writer in the article predicts for KP. KP has the talent to be in range of the guys prediction. It's up to him IMO. If you're a top 4 pick, 7-3 with a pure stroke, quickness and agility then you should be expected to perform like other top rookies have been able to perform. No guarantees, but KP has just as much of a chance to do it as any other pick.

who said we expect less from our players? In fact knick fans are probably the most patient fans considering the past 15 years have been brutal. We all want KP to be great right away but the probability of that isnt high but that doesnt mean he wont have a successful rookie year

Durant was frail, but he wasn't weak from an NBA standpoint, neither is Porzingis. Durant had a weak core, basically could lift weights. I think it was reported he couldnt bench 185, which certainly is laughable. Seattle did right him....play him at shooting guard. But I dont think a "few" examples disprove a player going to have a rookie wall issue...most do, so that should be not only expected but embraced. If Porzingis doesnt really hit a wall, even better for the team and himself.

Sure as I stated, most rookies are going to experience some fatigue going from any other league to the NBA. That still doesn't preclude KP from having a solid Rookie season. That's all the writer of the article was saying. He didn't post anything outrageous for a talented rookie. In fact it's right in line with many of the other top Rookies from last year. One you may have heard of.

2014-15 Rookies Leaders.
SCORING AVERAGE        G   FG  FT  PTS  AVG     REBOUNDS PER GAME     G  OFF  DEF  TOT  AVG     ASSISTS PER GAME       G  AST  AVG
Wiggins, Min.         82  497 354 1387 16.9     Noel, Phi.           75  185  426  611  8.1     Payton, Orl.          82  533  6.5
Clarkson, LA-L        59  267 131  703 11.9     Nurkic, Den.         62  125  257  382  6.2     LaVine, Min.          77  276  3.6
Galloway, N.Y.        45  204  63  533 11.8     Black, Hou.-LA-L     63  142  226  368  5.8     Clarkson, LA-L        59  206  3.5
Mirotic, Chi.         82  253 228  833 10.2     McGary, OKC.         32   53  112  165  5.2     Galloway, N.Y.        45  150  3.3
LaVine, Min.          77  286 149  778 10.1     Payne, Atl.-Min.     32   48  114  162  5.1     Smart, Bos.           67  208  3.1
Noel, Phi.            75  302 140  744  9.9     Mirotic, Chi.        82   63  341  404  4.9     Dinwiddie, Det.       34  104  3.1
Bogdanovic, Bkn.      78  261  87  700  9.0     Wiggins, Min.        82  134  240  374  4.6     Napier, Mia.          51  130  2.5
Payton, Orl.          82  301 118  731  8.9     Aldemir, Phi.        41   78   98  176  4.3     Exum, Utah            82  198  2.4
Hood, Utah            50  155  61  433  8.7     Payton, Orl.         82  107  242  349  4.3     Ingles, Utah          79  182  2.3
McDaniels, Phi.-Hou.  62  172 100  487  7.9     Galloway, N.Y.       45   37  153  190  4.2     Ennis, Pho.-Mil.      33   73  2.2
Smart, Bos.           67  175  82  523  7.8     A. Gordon, Orl.      47   46  123  169  3.6     Wiggins, Min.         82  170  2.1
Nurkic, Den.          62  171  84  426  6.9     Smart, Bos.          67   61  161  222  3.3     Papanikolaou, Hou.    43   85  2.0
Payne, Atl.-Min.      32   91  30  213  6.7     Clarkson, LA-L       59   56  135  191  3.2     Noel, Phi.            75  128  1.7
Grant, Phi.           65  124 114  411  6.3     McDaniels, Phi.-Hou. 62   65  135  200  3.2     Hood, Utah            50   83  1.7
McGary, OKC.          32   88  25  201  6.3     Millsap, Utah        47   28  122  150  3.2     Johnson, Mia.         32   42  1.3
Warren, Pho.          40  113  14  245  6.1     Grant, Phi.          65   49  149  198  3.0     Millsap, Utah         47   58  1.2
Black, Hou.-LA-L      63  157  65  379  6.0     Jefferson, Bkn.      50   47   98  145  2.9     Grant, Phi.           65   79  1.2
Johnson, Mia.         32   70  32  190  5.9     Ennis, Mia.          62   51  125  176  2.8     Mirotic, Chi.         82   97  1.2
Hairston, Cha.        45   87  31  254  5.6     LaVine, Min.         77   27  187  214  2.8     McDaniels, Phi.-Hou.  62   72  1.2
Early, N.Y.           39   76  36  210  5.4     Papanikolaou, Hou.   43   39   79  118  2.7     Sampson, Phi.         74   77  1.0

Noice chart, I dont think anyone including myself said Porzingis cant have a good season, so not sure why you're lunging into that tangent.

What I did ask was specific, what big came into the league in his first year and post 46% shooting and 37% from three? Those are all-star %'s....totally unrealistic.

There would be no argument of no one questioned if KP could have a good season!

As for the shooting percentages, how many 7-3 guys have the specific talents that KP has. People are having a hard time really coming up with comparisons. He's a rare prospect. It may never happen but then again if he's even close to those numbers it's a success.

Andrea Bargnani
Season	Age Tm  Lg  Pos G  GS  MP  FG   FGA   FG%  3P  3PA  3P%  2P  2PA  2P%  FT  FTA  FT%  REB  AST  STL  BLK  TOV  PF  PTS
2006-07	21  TOR	NBA PF	65 2  1629 5.9	13.8  .427 2.2 5.9  .373 3.7 7.9 .468  2.6 3.1	.824 5.6  1.1  0.7  1.2  2.4  4.  16.6

No one has questioned that, he certainly can be successful even if he hits the rookie wall, thats why I dont understand why you have on your SWAT uniform...lol. No need to get defensive on things not even being questioned. As for my actual question I see you cannot provide the answer, yet say those expectations arent realistic...of course they are.

How many bigs came into the league and in their rookie season shot 46% overall and 37% from three? Simple question. I dont wanna see "if he gets close". Answer the question otherwise to expect what hardly anyone has ever done is the pure definition of unrealisitc. Porzingis can have a good season by simply adapting the NBA game. He's a rookie...lol. See how I did that, didnt need a power point presentation either.

I did post that Bargs came pretty close to doing that in his rookie year at 42.7% and 37.3%. Nerlens Noel shot 46.2% but he doesn't shoot 3's. Jabari Parker shot 49% but only 25% from 3. The closest?

Bojan Bogdonavic - 2014-15 Regular Season 23.8 MPG .453 FG% .355 3P%

As I said before how many bigs have we seen like KP coming into the league with his kind of shooting from the perimeter at his size and age? Those guys are rare. Kaminsky is a great shooter as well, but he's an older, more developed player. I'm not saying KP is a lock to post those exact shooting Percentages, which would be a great season for a rookie. It's not impossible to be in that range.

I'm not talking about range though, and neither was the article writer. The writer said 12 ppg, if I said nah, he'll only score 8, would that still be within "range"? No, and someone like you would say I'm putting the kid down.

You cant call 46% and 37% from a big realistic when it hasnt or has hardly ever happened. I said the article was good, but his prediction is highly unrealistic. If Porzingis accomplishes it he'd likely be the first to do so, great of course, but not a realistic expectation.

We all know it's not common. However rookies have shot well before. You're getting stuck on the exact prediction and for me that's not really the main point. The actual number of points per game is dependent on a lot of factors, but being efficient shooting is basically what the guy was trying to say. He thinks KP will score efficiently. It's not really important what the EXACT numbers end up being if he can shoot anywhere close to that prediction it's a great performance by KP. Bogdonavic came closest to those numbers and other rookies have shot well. KP's biggest talent is his shooting and if he can take what the defense gives him in this offense he should be able to score efficiently both from the perimeter and inside.

The writer mentioned some positive aspects for KP is that he has great mechanics and the ability to catch and shoot on the move. Also being 7-3 with a relatively high release point, he should be able to get the shots he wants. As long as KP is moving he's going to be able to get great shots at the basket, in mid range and from 3. The small sample from his Euro season shows a some pretty nice shooting for such a young player. NBA level of course is tougher but he did do this against a pretty good talent level and as a very young player.

Kristaps Porzingis
International Regular Season Stats - Totals
Season	Team	  GP GS Min    FGM FGA  FG% 3FGM 3FGA  3P%  FTM FTA  FT%  FIC OFF DEF Reb Ast Stl Blk PF  TO Pts
2014-15 All Teams 50 27 1072.3 207 417 .496 42   117  .359  94  125  .752 368 69  161 230 27  45  52  131 71 550

My guy, I havent questioned his game, I'm quite aware of it, I do think he will be a good player, and has tools that can make him great. My comment on the article though was based on two things. 1) it was a good read, but 2) I found his predictions unrealistic. Coming close isnt the bar of the quote, and Bogdonavic for instance isnt a big man, he played SF in the NBA and might actually be a guard by stature.

Big men putting up 46% and 37% is a rarity, Porzingis is rare as well. Perhaps he does it, if he does we all can be happy, but it isnt realistic to expect that or being "close".

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

WP76 wrote:I'm concerned about the grind he'll face over the 95 or so games he'll play during the upcoming year. Most players coming from college "hit a wall" at about the All-Star break or 40 games because they've never played beyond that in their amateur careers.

Porzingis is skinny and he's never played anything close to a full college season so it's pretty likely he'll be running on fumes after about February, at best.

I can understand the concern but then why didn't it impact Kevin Durant in his rookie season? I don't think any NBA player has come in with a weaker body than KD. Are we to assume that every rookie must succumb to a rookie wall?

Season	Age Tm  Lg  Pos G  GS MP   FG  FGA  FG%  3P  3PA  3P% 2P  2PA  2P%  eFG% FT  FTA  FT% ORB  DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF  PTS
2007-08	19  SEA	NBA SG	80 80 34.6 7.3 17.1 .430 0.7 2.6 .288 6.6 14.5 .455 .451 4.9 5.6 .873 0.9  3.5 4.4 2.4 1.0 0.9 2.9 1.5 20.3

IMO it's about a players commitment to conditioning and who they play. KP is more of a finesse player like KD. As long as he is well trained and sticks to pro level nutrition he has a chance to really have a solid rookie season. It's not about how strong a player is.

its ok to be concerned with the long season. Its actually a fair statement by WP 76. Now that doesnt mean KP will hit a wall BUT even phil said its a strong possibility in his first year

I'm not saying it won't happen. Thing is that I can show a few examples of players NOT having a significant issue with the 1st time thru an NBA season. All rookies will at some point feel the impact of the hectic pace of the NBA. Phil said he hoped KP would start about 20 MPG and hopefully add to that if he does well. KD played 34.6 MPG!!! Dude was without a doubt one of the weakest players I can every remember coming into the NBA.

I'm just not buying this thing that we have to always expect less from our own players. Even when there's ample evidence of players with less talent doing about what the writer in the article predicts for KP. KP has the talent to be in range of the guys prediction. It's up to him IMO. If you're a top 4 pick, 7-3 with a pure stroke, quickness and agility then you should be expected to perform like other top rookies have been able to perform. No guarantees, but KP has just as much of a chance to do it as any other pick.

who said we expect less from our players? In fact knick fans are probably the most patient fans considering the past 15 years have been brutal. We all want KP to be great right away but the probability of that isnt high but that doesnt mean he wont have a successful rookie year

Durant was frail, but he wasn't weak from an NBA standpoint, neither is Porzingis. Durant had a weak core, basically could lift weights. I think it was reported he couldnt bench 185, which certainly is laughable. Seattle did right him....play him at shooting guard. But I dont think a "few" examples disprove a player going to have a rookie wall issue...most do, so that should be not only expected but embraced. If Porzingis doesnt really hit a wall, even better for the team and himself.

Sure as I stated, most rookies are going to experience some fatigue going from any other league to the NBA. That still doesn't preclude KP from having a solid Rookie season. That's all the writer of the article was saying. He didn't post anything outrageous for a talented rookie. In fact it's right in line with many of the other top Rookies from last year. One you may have heard of.

2014-15 Rookies Leaders.
SCORING AVERAGE        G   FG  FT  PTS  AVG     REBOUNDS PER GAME     G  OFF  DEF  TOT  AVG     ASSISTS PER GAME       G  AST  AVG
Wiggins, Min.         82  497 354 1387 16.9     Noel, Phi.           75  185  426  611  8.1     Payton, Orl.          82  533  6.5
Clarkson, LA-L        59  267 131  703 11.9     Nurkic, Den.         62  125  257  382  6.2     LaVine, Min.          77  276  3.6
Galloway, N.Y.        45  204  63  533 11.8     Black, Hou.-LA-L     63  142  226  368  5.8     Clarkson, LA-L        59  206  3.5
Mirotic, Chi.         82  253 228  833 10.2     McGary, OKC.         32   53  112  165  5.2     Galloway, N.Y.        45  150  3.3
LaVine, Min.          77  286 149  778 10.1     Payne, Atl.-Min.     32   48  114  162  5.1     Smart, Bos.           67  208  3.1
Noel, Phi.            75  302 140  744  9.9     Mirotic, Chi.        82   63  341  404  4.9     Dinwiddie, Det.       34  104  3.1
Bogdanovic, Bkn.      78  261  87  700  9.0     Wiggins, Min.        82  134  240  374  4.6     Napier, Mia.          51  130  2.5
Payton, Orl.          82  301 118  731  8.9     Aldemir, Phi.        41   78   98  176  4.3     Exum, Utah            82  198  2.4
Hood, Utah            50  155  61  433  8.7     Payton, Orl.         82  107  242  349  4.3     Ingles, Utah          79  182  2.3
McDaniels, Phi.-Hou.  62  172 100  487  7.9     Galloway, N.Y.       45   37  153  190  4.2     Ennis, Pho.-Mil.      33   73  2.2
Smart, Bos.           67  175  82  523  7.8     A. Gordon, Orl.      47   46  123  169  3.6     Wiggins, Min.         82  170  2.1
Nurkic, Den.          62  171  84  426  6.9     Smart, Bos.          67   61  161  222  3.3     Papanikolaou, Hou.    43   85  2.0
Payne, Atl.-Min.      32   91  30  213  6.7     Clarkson, LA-L       59   56  135  191  3.2     Noel, Phi.            75  128  1.7
Grant, Phi.           65  124 114  411  6.3     McDaniels, Phi.-Hou. 62   65  135  200  3.2     Hood, Utah            50   83  1.7
McGary, OKC.          32   88  25  201  6.3     Millsap, Utah        47   28  122  150  3.2     Johnson, Mia.         32   42  1.3
Warren, Pho.          40  113  14  245  6.1     Grant, Phi.          65   49  149  198  3.0     Millsap, Utah         47   58  1.2
Black, Hou.-LA-L      63  157  65  379  6.0     Jefferson, Bkn.      50   47   98  145  2.9     Grant, Phi.           65   79  1.2
Johnson, Mia.         32   70  32  190  5.9     Ennis, Mia.          62   51  125  176  2.8     Mirotic, Chi.         82   97  1.2
Hairston, Cha.        45   87  31  254  5.6     LaVine, Min.         77   27  187  214  2.8     McDaniels, Phi.-Hou.  62   72  1.2
Early, N.Y.           39   76  36  210  5.4     Papanikolaou, Hou.   43   39   79  118  2.7     Sampson, Phi.         74   77  1.0

Noice chart, I dont think anyone including myself said Porzingis cant have a good season, so not sure why you're lunging into that tangent.

What I did ask was specific, what big came into the league in his first year and post 46% shooting and 37% from three? Those are all-star %'s....totally unrealistic.

There would be no argument of no one questioned if KP could have a good season!

As for the shooting percentages, how many 7-3 guys have the specific talents that KP has. People are having a hard time really coming up with comparisons. He's a rare prospect. It may never happen but then again if he's even close to those numbers it's a success.

Andrea Bargnani
Season	Age Tm  Lg  Pos G  GS  MP  FG   FGA   FG%  3P  3PA  3P%  2P  2PA  2P%  FT  FTA  FT%  REB  AST  STL  BLK  TOV  PF  PTS
2006-07	21  TOR	NBA PF	65 2  1629 5.9	13.8  .427 2.2 5.9  .373 3.7 7.9 .468  2.6 3.1	.824 5.6  1.1  0.7  1.2  2.4  4.  16.6

No one has questioned that, he certainly can be successful even if he hits the rookie wall, thats why I dont understand why you have on your SWAT uniform...lol. No need to get defensive on things not even being questioned. As for my actual question I see you cannot provide the answer, yet say those expectations arent realistic...of course they are.

How many bigs came into the league and in their rookie season shot 46% overall and 37% from three? Simple question. I dont wanna see "if he gets close". Answer the question otherwise to expect what hardly anyone has ever done is the pure definition of unrealisitc. Porzingis can have a good season by simply adapting the NBA game. He's a rookie...lol. See how I did that, didnt need a power point presentation either.

I did post that Bargs came pretty close to doing that in his rookie year at 42.7% and 37.3%. Nerlens Noel shot 46.2% but he doesn't shoot 3's. Jabari Parker shot 49% but only 25% from 3. The closest?

Bojan Bogdonavic - 2014-15 Regular Season 23.8 MPG .453 FG% .355 3P%

As I said before how many bigs have we seen like KP coming into the league with his kind of shooting from the perimeter at his size and age? Those guys are rare. Kaminsky is a great shooter as well, but he's an older, more developed player. I'm not saying KP is a lock to post those exact shooting Percentages, which would be a great season for a rookie. It's not impossible to be in that range.

I'm not talking about range though, and neither was the article writer. The writer said 12 ppg, if I said nah, he'll only score 8, would that still be within "range"? No, and someone like you would say I'm putting the kid down.

You cant call 46% and 37% from a big realistic when it hasnt or has hardly ever happened. I said the article was good, but his prediction is highly unrealistic. If Porzingis accomplishes it he'd likely be the first to do so, great of course, but not a realistic expectation.

We all know it's not common. However rookies have shot well before. You're getting stuck on the exact prediction and for me that's not really the main point. The actual number of points per game is dependent on a lot of factors, but being efficient shooting is basically what the guy was trying to say. He thinks KP will score efficiently. It's not really important what the EXACT numbers end up being if he can shoot anywhere close to that prediction it's a great performance by KP. Bogdonavic came closest to those numbers and other rookies have shot well. KP's biggest talent is his shooting and if he can take what the defense gives him in this offense he should be able to score efficiently both from the perimeter and inside.

The writer mentioned some positive aspects for KP is that he has great mechanics and the ability to catch and shoot on the move. Also being 7-3 with a relatively high release point, he should be able to get the shots he wants. As long as KP is moving he's going to be able to get great shots at the basket, in mid range and from 3. The small sample from his Euro season shows a some pretty nice shooting for such a young player. NBA level of course is tougher but he did do this against a pretty good talent level and as a very young player.

Kristaps Porzingis
International Regular Season Stats - Totals
Season	Team	  GP GS Min    FGM FGA  FG% 3FGM 3FGA  3P%  FTM FTA  FT%  FIC OFF DEF Reb Ast Stl Blk PF  TO Pts
2014-15 All Teams 50 27 1072.3 207 417 .496 42   117  .359  94  125  .752 368 69  161 230 27  45  52  131 71 550

My guy, I havent questioned his game, I'm quite aware of it, I do think he will be a good player, and has tools that can make him great. My comment on the article though was based on two things. 1) it was a good read, but 2) I found his predictions unrealistic. Coming close isnt the bar of the quote, and Bogdonavic for instance isnt a big man, he played SF in the NBA and might actually be a guard by stature.

Big men putting up 46% and 37% is a rarity, Porzingis is rare as well. Perhaps he does it, if he does we all can be happy, but it isnt realistic to expect that or being "close".

Realistic? We're not really arguing over anything significant anymore. I think we've all acknowledged that it's rare for any rookie to be that efficient.
The closest was Bogdonavic who is 6-8 and a rookie. That was close enough for me. It really does't matter because KP does in fact have a shot to reach the levels that the writer was predicting. He has that kind of talent. IMO if he comes close to those numbers, that's great and would be in line with the point the writer was trying to make. It doesn't have to match EXACTLY, for the writer's intent to be proved right. That's your own particular restriction you've placed on things. If KP had never even approached that kind of production then I could se being convinced it's not possible. The fact that it's rare for any NBA Rookie only underscores how rare KP's talent is. No one is guaranteeing this level of success but it is possible. I think we're all pulling for the kid to have a great rookie season.

I'm actually not arguing at all, I've established my point time after time perhaps I'll state it again.....

"The article is ok, but the predictions are way over the top. How many bigs finished their rookie season shooting 46% overall and 37% from 3? The 12/4 is fine, but the author just posted Dirk's second year %'s."

If KP doesn't hit the normal rookie "wall"--great. If he does, however, we can't be terribly disappointed nor surprised if his numbers decline in the latter stages of the season.

WP76 wrote:Boy, did I open a can of worms. My observation was based on (1) KP having never played even the equivalent of a full college season (Durant had), (2) KP will be subjected, in all likelihood, to a far greater physical pounding than Durant. KD largely played outside as a three (still does in many cases) while KP will be used generally as a four or a five against guys who are bigger, stronger and will muscle him at every opportunity.

If KP doesn't hit the normal rookie "wall"--great. If he does, however, we can't be terribly disappointed nor surprised if his numbers decline in the latter stages of the season.

KD NCAA 2006-07 played 35 games 35.9 mpg
KP Euro 2014-15 played 50 games 21.4 mpg

I do agree that KP will be facing more of an uphill battle at PF and maybe some C. I'm sure that the Knicks will closely monitor his minutes and look to build his stamina in a progressive way.