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8/19/2015  7:16 PM
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8/19/2015  7:41 PM
Phil talks a lot. That's his thing. He really doesn't give a flip what anyone else thinks given that he's won more than any of the guys who could talk crap to him. We all knew JR was a pain in the ass. It's not nice to talk about players but Phil did this with Kobe, Shaq and MJ too. He's always done it.

Phil gave his reasoning for picking KP. I personally wanted WCS but in the end Phil had a much better comparison of all the draft prospects. I thought Phil stuck to what he said he wanted in the draft. He wanted a big that could defend the Rim and PnR and that had multiple skills. KP is able to do that better than I knew from the reports about him. If we all knew what Phil knew maybe we would go for KP as well.

Jerian is a legit big PG who can do a little of everything and has a high BB IQ. That's a great fit for the Triangle.

Overall this roster is a better fit for the Triangle and also a smarter and high character group. Less of the JR Smith and Shump types. More hardworking and low key types.

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8/19/2015  7:50 PM
nixluva wrote:Phil talks a lot. That's his thing. He really doesn't give a flip what anyone else thinks given that he's won more than any of the guys who could talk crap to him. We all knew JR was a pain in the ass. It's not nice to talk about players but Phil did this with Kobe, Shaq and MJ too. He's always done it.

Phil gave his reasoning for picking KP. I personally wanted WCS but in the end Phil had a much better comparison of all the draft prospects. I thought Phil stuck to what he said he wanted in the draft. He wanted a big that could defend the Rim and PnR and that had multiple skills. KP is able to do that better than I knew from the reports about him. If we all knew what Phil knew maybe we would go for KP as well.

Jerian is a legit big PG who can do a little of everything and has a high BB IQ. That's a great fit for the Triangle.

Overall this roster is a better fit for the Triangle and also a smarter and high character group. Less of the JR Smith and Shump types. More hardworking and low key types.


JR and Shump helped get their team to the Finals..I'll take that over "high character"..
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8/19/2015  7:59 PM
holfresh wrote:After 4 and half years of watching Melo play hero ball to get us to the playoffs, can we try something different...Frankly, I'm tired of watching it...Melo, hero ball year 7..Can't wait...

so you're finally asking him to play the right way? it's "nice" that you've finally come to your senses

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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8/19/2015  8:05 PM
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:Phil talks a lot. That's his thing. He really doesn't give a flip what anyone else thinks given that he's won more than any of the guys who could talk crap to him. We all knew JR was a pain in the ass. It's not nice to talk about players but Phil did this with Kobe, Shaq and MJ too. He's always done it.

Phil gave his reasoning for picking KP. I personally wanted WCS but in the end Phil had a much better comparison of all the draft prospects. I thought Phil stuck to what he said he wanted in the draft. He wanted a big that could defend the Rim and PnR and that had multiple skills. KP is able to do that better than I knew from the reports about him. If we all knew what Phil knew maybe we would go for KP as well.

Jerian is a legit big PG who can do a little of everything and has a high BB IQ. That's a great fit for the Triangle.

Overall this roster is a better fit for the Triangle and also a smarter and high character group. Less of the JR Smith and Shump types. More hardworking and low key types.


JR and Shump helped get their team to the Finals..I'll take that over "high character"..

They were able to play significantly reduced roles on a loaded roster. We needed more from them and they couldn't do it. When they were called upon to step up and do more for the Cavs, they weren't able to do it. Don't oversimplify things when you know there was much more to it.

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8/19/2015  8:12 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/19/2015  8:13 PM
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:Phil talks a lot. That's his thing. He really doesn't give a flip what anyone else thinks given that he's won more than any of the guys who could talk crap to him. We all knew JR was a pain in the ass. It's not nice to talk about players but Phil did this with Kobe, Shaq and MJ too. He's always done it.

Phil gave his reasoning for picking KP. I personally wanted WCS but in the end Phil had a much better comparison of all the draft prospects. I thought Phil stuck to what he said he wanted in the draft. He wanted a big that could defend the Rim and PnR and that had multiple skills. KP is able to do that better than I knew from the reports about him. If we all knew what Phil knew maybe we would go for KP as well.

Jerian is a legit big PG who can do a little of everything and has a high BB IQ. That's a great fit for the Triangle.

Overall this roster is a better fit for the Triangle and also a smarter and high character group. Less of the JR Smith and Shump types. More hardworking and low key types.


JR and Shump helped get their team to the Finals..I'll take that over "high character"..

They were able to play significantly reduced roles on a loaded roster. We needed more from them and they couldn't do it. When they were called upon to step up and do more for the Cavs, they weren't able to do it. Don't oversimplify things when you know there was much more to it.


What loaded roster, the entire team was hurt..U act like"high character" means anything other than nice guy to sit next to in a locker room..
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8/19/2015  8:20 PM
NBA impact player is the player who made an impact...
What impact Melo had in his NBA carrier?
A couple of first and second round exits, a couple of douch moments, scored a lot of bakets...
What else... not much... pretty boring dude from bbal impact perspective.
And boring to watch... like some groundhog day repeat of same ****ty bbal over and over...
At least he talks funny sh..t every so often to make a good lough...
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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8/19/2015  8:55 PM
Why do some people continue to think that the Isiah Thomas method of assembling a roster with innefficient pieces that don't fit together is the way to go?

When will some people realize that defense is more important than offense?

When will it click for some that rebuilding the Knicks roster is not a one, nor 2 year process?

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8/19/2015  9:02 PM
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:Phil talks a lot. That's his thing. He really doesn't give a flip what anyone else thinks given that he's won more than any of the guys who could talk crap to him. We all knew JR was a pain in the ass. It's not nice to talk about players but Phil did this with Kobe, Shaq and MJ too. He's always done it.

Phil gave his reasoning for picking KP. I personally wanted WCS but in the end Phil had a much better comparison of all the draft prospects. I thought Phil stuck to what he said he wanted in the draft. He wanted a big that could defend the Rim and PnR and that had multiple skills. KP is able to do that better than I knew from the reports about him. If we all knew what Phil knew maybe we would go for KP as well.

Jerian is a legit big PG who can do a little of everything and has a high BB IQ. That's a great fit for the Triangle.

Overall this roster is a better fit for the Triangle and also a smarter and high character group. Less of the JR Smith and Shump types. More hardworking and low key types.


JR and Shump helped get their team to the Finals..I'll take that over "high character"..

How come they didn't do the same for the Knicks over the prior 4 years with multiple opportunities, significant playing time under multiple GM'S and multiple coaches and multiple systems? We all know the answer except you.

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8/19/2015  9:09 PM
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holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:Phil talks a lot. That's his thing. He really doesn't give a flip what anyone else thinks given that he's won more than any of the guys who could talk crap to him. We all knew JR was a pain in the ass. It's not nice to talk about players but Phil did this with Kobe, Shaq and MJ too. He's always done it.

Phil gave his reasoning for picking KP. I personally wanted WCS but in the end Phil had a much better comparison of all the draft prospects. I thought Phil stuck to what he said he wanted in the draft. He wanted a big that could defend the Rim and PnR and that had multiple skills. KP is able to do that better than I knew from the reports about him. If we all knew what Phil knew maybe we would go for KP as well.

Jerian is a legit big PG who can do a little of everything and has a high BB IQ. That's a great fit for the Triangle.

Overall this roster is a better fit for the Triangle and also a smarter and high character group. Less of the JR Smith and Shump types. More hardworking and low key types.


JR and Shump helped get their team to the Finals..I'll take that over "high character"..

How come they didn't do the same for the Knicks over the prior 4 years with multiple opportunities, significant playing time under multiple GM'S and multiple coaches and multiple systems? We all know the answer except you.

How about trying to build on success..Give Woodson the clout to build on his success..That's not how this organization works..Dolan was pissed we lost in the second round to the Pacers and went about dismantling the team...Here we are..

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8/19/2015  9:14 PM
Agree that Phil leaves a lot to be desired in the public/player relations dept. The Shawn Bradley comparison came from someone with his FU money, and nothing to lose. Having said that, I do believe he did a good job over the summer considering the reputation of this franchise and the roster. We were lucky to get Robin Lopez relatively cheap. I believe this season will bear that out. Afflalo is an upgrade, and having some history with Melo doesn't hurt. KP was a swing for the fences. Considering how low the Knicks are now, Im fully on board with that strategy. Seen enough already to be very encouraged. Grant was a great pickup for Hardaway.

My concern is about all the stupid comments and questionable motivational tactics. In the end its the roster moves which will determine Phil's legacy, we'll see what happens. Still, all the drama Phil seems to thrive on could tarnish that legacy if blue chip players decide that they would rather pass on the Knicks and the drama.

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8/19/2015  9:24 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/19/2015  9:25 PM
We had a great offseason and projected to win 25 games??..We are paying Robin Lopez 13 mil per..He averaged 5 pts 4 reb in the playoffs..Come on..
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8/19/2015  9:40 PM
holfresh wrote:
foosballnick wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:Phil talks a lot. That's his thing. He really doesn't give a flip what anyone else thinks given that he's won more than any of the guys who could talk crap to him. We all knew JR was a pain in the ass. It's not nice to talk about players but Phil did this with Kobe, Shaq and MJ too. He's always done it.

Phil gave his reasoning for picking KP. I personally wanted WCS but in the end Phil had a much better comparison of all the draft prospects. I thought Phil stuck to what he said he wanted in the draft. He wanted a big that could defend the Rim and PnR and that had multiple skills. KP is able to do that better than I knew from the reports about him. If we all knew what Phil knew maybe we would go for KP as well.

Jerian is a legit big PG who can do a little of everything and has a high BB IQ. That's a great fit for the Triangle.

Overall this roster is a better fit for the Triangle and also a smarter and high character group. Less of the JR Smith and Shump types. More hardworking and low key types.


JR and Shump helped get their team to the Finals..I'll take that over "high character"..

How come they didn't do the same for the Knicks over the prior 4 years with multiple opportunities, significant playing time under multiple GM'S and multiple coaches and multiple systems? We all know the answer except you.

How about trying to build on success..Give Woodson the clout to build on his success..That's not how this organization works..Dolan was pissed we lost in the second round to the Pacers and went about dismantling the team...Here we are..

So let me get this straight. You think that this path we're on now is somehow worse than the path we were on when woodson was here?

Yes Dolan was still interfering back then but more than that we had no real plan or core philosophy. The Front Office was a mess. The best thing Dolan did was turn things over to Phil and let him set the foundation for this franchise. We'll have a clear identity and direction for a change. Like it or not Phil has revamped the roster and added talent thru the draft. That's literally the best that could be hoped for in terms of building a team.

Phil has revamped the team with young players who we can grow with over the next few years. How you can't see that this is so much better is beyond me. There's plenty of untapped potential on this roster that needs to be developed.

TEAM ROSTER
NO. NAME POS AGE HT WT 2015-2016 SALARY
6 Kristaps Porzingis PF 20 7-1 220 $4,131,720
13 Jerian Grant PG 22 6-5 205 $1,572,360
43 Thanasis Antetokounmpo SF 23 6-7 215 $525,093
2 Langston Galloway PG 23 6-2 200 $845,059
17 Cleanthony Early SF 24 6-8 220 $845,059
13 Derrick Williams PF 24 6-8 240 $4,000,000
2 Kyle O'Quinn PF 25 6-10 250 $3,750,000
-- Kevin Seraphin PF 25 6-10 278 $2,814,000
42 Robin Lopez C 27 7-0 255 $12,650,000
42 Lance Thomas SF 27 6-8 225 $1,636,842

4 Arron Afflalo SG 29 6-5 215 $8,000,000
7 Carmelo Anthony SF 31 6-8 240 $22,875,000
-- Sasha Vujacic SG 31 6-7 193 $947,276
21 Lou Amundson PF 32 6-9 225 $1,635,476
3 Jose Calderon PG 33 6-3 200 $7,402,812

IMO the grief that Phil gets for using the Triangle is equally off base. It's a Ball and Player movement offense. In other words pure basketball. It's not a gimmick. It's a proven system based on Team Ball. This is the nurturing environment our young players will be developed in. Learning how to move without the ball, read a defense and pass. WOW that's really controversial and left field!!! Sometimes I really have to SMDH as the thinking. Too many people listening to SAS must be the problem.

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8/19/2015  9:45 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/19/2015  9:57 PM
These guys aren't top flight talents..Teams draft for years upon years hoping to find one for two guys who can lead..Phil is trying to build with D leaguers and low picks..We can only hope these guys might be rotational players one day..And that's a big hope..

I've been watching the game a long time..These are scrubs...

An example..GS was in the lottery for 7 years to build its team...
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8/19/2015  10:00 PM
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:Phil talks a lot. That's his thing. He really doesn't give a flip what anyone else thinks given that he's won more than any of the guys who could talk crap to him. We all knew JR was a pain in the ass. It's not nice to talk about players but Phil did this with Kobe, Shaq and MJ too. He's always done it.

Phil gave his reasoning for picking KP. I personally wanted WCS but in the end Phil had a much better comparison of all the draft prospects. I thought Phil stuck to what he said he wanted in the draft. He wanted a big that could defend the Rim and PnR and that had multiple skills. KP is able to do that better than I knew from the reports about him. If we all knew what Phil knew maybe we would go for KP as well.

Jerian is a legit big PG who can do a little of everything and has a high BB IQ. That's a great fit for the Triangle.

Overall this roster is a better fit for the Triangle and also a smarter and high character group. Less of the JR Smith and Shump types. More hardworking and low key types.


JR and Shump helped get their team to the Finals..I'll take that over "high character"..

they were playing with lebron james, who took it upon himself to take 27 shots a game, which is 5 more per game than what he took in 2008-2009, when he was playing with such stellar talent as the pshycho delonte west and mo frickin williams.

no one player can carry a team to a title, which is perfect evidence for why developing teamwork and chemistry is vital, along with an emphasis on defense. jackson himself observed they were not playing team ball, and you know why? because smith and shumpert are incapable, something lebron clearly surmised....

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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8/19/2015  10:02 PM
holfresh wrote:
foosballnick wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:Phil talks a lot. That's his thing. He really doesn't give a flip what anyone else thinks given that he's won more than any of the guys who could talk crap to him. We all knew JR was a pain in the ass. It's not nice to talk about players but Phil did this with Kobe, Shaq and MJ too. He's always done it.

Phil gave his reasoning for picking KP. I personally wanted WCS but in the end Phil had a much better comparison of all the draft prospects. I thought Phil stuck to what he said he wanted in the draft. He wanted a big that could defend the Rim and PnR and that had multiple skills. KP is able to do that better than I knew from the reports about him. If we all knew what Phil knew maybe we would go for KP as well.

Jerian is a legit big PG who can do a little of everything and has a high BB IQ. That's a great fit for the Triangle.

Overall this roster is a better fit for the Triangle and also a smarter and high character group. Less of the JR Smith and Shump types. More hardworking and low key types.


JR and Shump helped get their team to the Finals..I'll take that over "high character"..

How come they didn't do the same for the Knicks over the prior 4 years with multiple opportunities, significant playing time under multiple GM'S and multiple coaches and multiple systems? We all know the answer except you.

How about trying to build on success..Give Woodson the clout to build on his success..That's not how this organization works..Dolan was pissed we lost in the second round to the Pacers and went about dismantling the team...Here we are..

oh so dolan shytcanned woodson? wrong again sonny jim

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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8/19/2015  10:06 PM
holfresh wrote:These guys aren't top flight talents..Teams draft for years upon years hoping to find one for two guys who can lead..Phil is trying to build with D leaguers and low picks..We can only hope these guys might be rotational players one day..And that's a big hope..

I've been watching the game a long time..These are scrubs...

An example..GS was in the lottery for 7 years to build its team...

walsh started that process, at stern's insistence, in 2008, which was 7 years ago....

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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8/19/2015  10:15 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/19/2015  10:16 PM
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:These guys aren't top flight talents..Teams draft for years upon years hoping to find one for two guys who can lead..Phil is trying to build with D leaguers and low picks..We can only hope these guys might be rotational players one day..And that's a big hope..

I've been watching the game a long time..These are scrubs...

An example..GS was in the lottery for 7 years to build its team...

walsh started that process, at stern's insistence, in 2008, which was 7 years ago....


You mean when they were trading first round picks to clear cap space to make a run at LeBron then end up with Amare for 100 mil over 5??..We just got Amare off the books last year..
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8/19/2015  10:22 PM
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:These guys aren't top flight talents..Teams draft for years upon years hoping to find one for two guys who can lead..Phil is trying to build with D leaguers and low picks..We can only hope these guys might be rotational players one day..And that's a big hope..

I've been watching the game a long time..These are scrubs...

An example..GS was in the lottery for 7 years to build its team...

walsh started that process, at stern's insistence, in 2008, which was 7 years ago....


You mean when they were trading first round picks to clear cap space to make a run at LeBron then end up with Amare for 100 mil over 5??..We just got Amare off the books last year..

if walsh had as much clout as jackson, or had simply been allowed to do his job without the dolan/thomas meddling tag team, we would be further along... but no, you are a fan of dolan because he is an owner who is "willing to spend his money" provided that he is allowed to intervene at certain times to get players like melo....

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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8/19/2015  10:25 PM
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:These guys aren't top flight talents..Teams draft for years upon years hoping to find one for two guys who can lead..Phil is trying to build with D leaguers and low picks..We can only hope these guys might be rotational players one day..And that's a big hope..

I've been watching the game a long time..These are scrubs...

An example..GS was in the lottery for 7 years to build its team...

walsh started that process, at stern's insistence, in 2008, which was 7 years ago....


You mean when they were trading first round picks to clear cap space to make a run at LeBron then end up with Amare for 100 mil over 5??..We just got Amare off the books last year..

if walsh had as much clout as jackson, or had simply been allowed to do his job without the dolan/thomas meddling tag team, we would be further along... but no, you are a fan of dolan because he is an owner who is "willing to spend his money" provided that he is allowed to intervene at certain times to get players like melo....

We would have DWill and Amare on the roster..

Dolan finally found someone with a bigger ego.

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