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8/18/2015  1:44 PM
TPercy wrote:So I guess the question is...
Would you like to see a Crawford for Caledron trade?

Yes. That I'd be interested in.
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8/18/2015  1:46 PM
Finestrg wrote:
TPercy wrote:So I guess the question is...
Would you like to see a Crawford for Caledron trade?

Yes. That I'd be interested in.

Do you think he could handle the role of the lead guard in the triangle? Doesn't strike me as a smart player at all.

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8/18/2015  1:47 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/18/2015  1:47 PM
TPercy wrote:
Finestrg wrote:
TPercy wrote:So I guess the question is...
Would you like to see a Crawford for Caledron trade?

Yes. That I'd be interested in.

Do you think he could handle the role of the lead guard in the triangle? Doesn't strike me as a smart player at all.

NO!!!! he's one of the stoopidest players ever.

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8/18/2015  1:47 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/18/2015  1:47 PM

No JR trade exception. Oh, Frank. You've been bamboozled, hoodwinked, etc.

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8/18/2015  1:49 PM
Finestrg wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Finestrg wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Finestrg wrote:
crzymdups wrote:

Notice how Phil's name isn't mentioned here. This is about the furthest player I could see Phil wanting for his system. I don't like the fit either... Moving past that for a sec -- we're at the cap ceiling. Crawford makes $5.675mm -- any trade would have to match salary for the most part -- who do we give up to get him? Calderon + a sweetener for taking on Jose's extra (Early?), maybe I'd listen to something like that. I make this move to dump Jose's final year of his contract, not because I love Crawford and think we need him. I wonder if that's how the Knicks are looking at this if there's even any truth to the rumor..


This is all Phil...He needs a big guard who can handle the ball...He wants nice guys in the locker room...He needs vets that can handle NY...He needs another one on one guy outside of Melo when the triangle breaks down...

I don't think Phil would wanna touch Jamal Crawford with a 10 foot pole..

What part of his game doesn't fit with exactly with what Phil is doing?

He's a ball-dominant gunner with declining skills. Been there done that with JR Smith. Better handle than Smith but doesn't do much with that outside of trying to create his own shots--at least that's the player I remember. I see a player that will be taking shots away from other key players too, guys we're trying to find out about on that 2nd unit -- KP, D-Will, Grant, maybe an Early, Saunders, Thanasis. I'd rather see those guys divide up those shot attempts...But hey, if we can turn Jose Calderon into a Jamal Crawford expiring contract which could open up what, another $7.7+mm in salary next summer, you definitely take a look at that.


Dream on, no one is taking Calderon off your hands...
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8/18/2015  1:53 PM
lol Frank edited his story, now claiming the Knicks might do a three-way trade to get Crawford, once the JR trade exception myth was proven to be myth

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8/18/2015  1:54 PM
holfresh wrote:
Finestrg wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Finestrg wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Finestrg wrote:
crzymdups wrote:

Notice how Phil's name isn't mentioned here. This is about the furthest player I could see Phil wanting for his system. I don't like the fit either... Moving past that for a sec -- we're at the cap ceiling. Crawford makes $5.675mm -- any trade would have to match salary for the most part -- who do we give up to get him? Calderon + a sweetener for taking on Jose's extra (Early?), maybe I'd listen to something like that. I make this move to dump Jose's final year of his contract, not because I love Crawford and think we need him. I wonder if that's how the Knicks are looking at this if there's even any truth to the rumor..


This is all Phil...He needs a big guard who can handle the ball...He wants nice guys in the locker room...He needs vets that can handle NY...He needs another one on one guy outside of Melo when the triangle breaks down...

I don't think Phil would wanna touch Jamal Crawford with a 10 foot pole..

What part of his game doesn't fit with exactly with what Phil is doing?

He's a ball-dominant gunner with declining skills. Been there done that with JR Smith. Better handle than Smith but doesn't do much with that outside of trying to create his own shots--at least that's the player I remember. I see a player that will be taking shots away from other key players too, guys we're trying to find out about on that 2nd unit -- KP, D-Will, Grant, maybe an Early, Saunders, Thanasis. I'd rather see those guys divide up those shot attempts...But hey, if we can turn Jose Calderon into a Jamal Crawford expiring contract which could open up what, another $7.7+mm in salary next summer, you definitely take a look at that.


Dream on, no one is taking Calderon off your hands...

I wish we can trade players to the Liberty

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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8/18/2015  2:00 PM
dk7th wrote:
TPercy wrote:
Finestrg wrote:
TPercy wrote:So I guess the question is...
Would you like to see a Crawford for Caledron trade?

Yes. That I'd be interested in.

Do you think he could handle the role of the lead guard in the triangle? Doesn't strike me as a smart player at all.

NO!!!! he's one of the stoopidest players ever.

Yeah. Only way I would be somewhat content is if we could get a reasonable starting or rotation point guard back and we offload Langston Galloway to compensate for that in whichever 3 team trade we are doing if there is any truth to this rumor.

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8/18/2015  2:02 PM
mreinman wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Finestrg wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Finestrg wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Finestrg wrote:
crzymdups wrote:

Notice how Phil's name isn't mentioned here. This is about the furthest player I could see Phil wanting for his system. I don't like the fit either... Moving past that for a sec -- we're at the cap ceiling. Crawford makes $5.675mm -- any trade would have to match salary for the most part -- who do we give up to get him? Calderon + a sweetener for taking on Jose's extra (Early?), maybe I'd listen to something like that. I make this move to dump Jose's final year of his contract, not because I love Crawford and think we need him. I wonder if that's how the Knicks are looking at this if there's even any truth to the rumor..


This is all Phil...He needs a big guard who can handle the ball...He wants nice guys in the locker room...He needs vets that can handle NY...He needs another one on one guy outside of Melo when the triangle breaks down...

I don't think Phil would wanna touch Jamal Crawford with a 10 foot pole..

What part of his game doesn't fit with exactly with what Phil is doing?

He's a ball-dominant gunner with declining skills. Been there done that with JR Smith. Better handle than Smith but doesn't do much with that outside of trying to create his own shots--at least that's the player I remember. I see a player that will be taking shots away from other key players too, guys we're trying to find out about on that 2nd unit -- KP, D-Will, Grant, maybe an Early, Saunders, Thanasis. I'd rather see those guys divide up those shot attempts...But hey, if we can turn Jose Calderon into a Jamal Crawford expiring contract which could open up what, another $7.7+mm in salary next summer, you definitely take a look at that.


Dream on, no one is taking Calderon off your hands...

I wish we can trade players to the Liberty

Liberty isn't that stupid are they??
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8/18/2015  2:07 PM
I'm guessing the upshot of this whole "story" is that Jamal Crawford's agent wanted to get the word out there that Crawford was available and he used the Knicks beat/fans to amplify the signal. le sigh.
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8/18/2015  2:16 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/18/2015  2:20 PM
holfresh wrote:
Finestrg wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Finestrg wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Finestrg wrote:
crzymdups wrote:

Notice how Phil's name isn't mentioned here. This is about the furthest player I could see Phil wanting for his system. I don't like the fit either... Moving past that for a sec -- we're at the cap ceiling. Crawford makes $5.675mm -- any trade would have to match salary for the most part -- who do we give up to get him? Calderon + a sweetener for taking on Jose's extra (Early?), maybe I'd listen to something like that. I make this move to dump Jose's final year of his contract, not because I love Crawford and think we need him. I wonder if that's how the Knicks are looking at this if there's even any truth to the rumor..


This is all Phil...He needs a big guard who can handle the ball...He wants nice guys in the locker room...He needs vets that can handle NY...He needs another one on one guy outside of Melo when the triangle breaks down...

I don't think Phil would wanna touch Jamal Crawford with a 10 foot pole..

What part of his game doesn't fit with exactly with what Phil is doing?

He's a ball-dominant gunner with declining skills. Been there done that with JR Smith. Better handle than Smith but doesn't do much with that outside of trying to create his own shots--at least that's the player I remember. I see a player that will be taking shots away from other key players too, guys we're trying to find out about on that 2nd unit -- KP, D-Will, Grant, maybe an Early, Saunders, Thanasis. I'd rather see those guys divide up those shot attempts...But hey, if we can turn Jose Calderon into a Jamal Crawford expiring contract which could open up what, another $7.7+mm in salary next summer, you definitely take a look at that.


Dream on, no one is taking Calderon off your hands...

Ok, then I don't see a deal. I happen to agree btw--they already have Pablo Prigioni on their roster, no? I don't see their need for Calderon... You seem to think Jamal's a good fit for us--what's our offer, now that it's being reported that we don't have the trade exception to use? How do we get him? Give me particulars... How much cash do we have to use -- the full $3-4mm? Did we use cash when we acquired Hernangomez?
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8/18/2015  2:16 PM
He is now a legit combo guard, with veteran leadership, and less hirky jerky crossovers. This is the perfect time to bring him back. He's also a backup PG, so his skills fills multiple needs.

Backup PG
Backup SG
Vet Leadership on the floor
Leadership in the locker room
Additional scoring
Better than Ledo
Understands his strengths and weaknesses

At this stage in his career, he can't hurt you coming off the bench. He's also a possible starter, due to injuries.
The question is who are we trading and what teams will be in the mix for this possible 3 way trade? Thats the bigger question. Otherwise, it's a no brainer. Could regain that six man of the year award 1 last time.

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8/18/2015  2:17 PM
Finestrg wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Finestrg wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Finestrg wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Finestrg wrote:
crzymdups wrote:

Notice how Phil's name isn't mentioned here. This is about the furthest player I could see Phil wanting for his system. I don't like the fit either... Moving past that for a sec -- we're at the cap ceiling. Crawford makes $5.675mm -- any trade would have to match salary for the most part -- who do we give up to get him? Calderon + a sweetener for taking on Jose's extra (Early?), maybe I'd listen to something like that. I make this move to dump Jose's final year of his contract, not because I love Crawford and think we need him. I wonder if that's how the Knicks are looking at this if there's even any truth to the rumor..


This is all Phil...He needs a big guard who can handle the ball...He wants nice guys in the locker room...He needs vets that can handle NY...He needs another one on one guy outside of Melo when the triangle breaks down...

I don't think Phil would wanna touch Jamal Crawford with a 10 foot pole..

What part of his game doesn't fit with exactly with what Phil is doing?

He's a ball-dominant gunner with declining skills. Been there done that with JR Smith. Better handle than Smith but doesn't do much with that outside of trying to create his own shots--at least that's the player I remember. I see a player that will be taking shots away from other key players too, guys we're trying to find out about on that 2nd unit -- KP, D-Will, Grant, maybe an Early, Saunders, Thanasis. I'd rather see those guys divide up those shot attempts...But hey, if we can turn Jose Calderon into a Jamal Crawford expiring contract which could open up what, another $7.7+mm in salary next summer, you definitely take a look at that.


Dream on, no one is taking Calderon off your hands...

Ok, then I don't see a deal. You think he's a good fit--what's our offer, now that it's being reported that we don't have the trade exception to use. How do we get him? Give me the particulars... How much cash do we have to use -- the full $3-4mm? Did we use cash when we acquired Hernangomez?

I don't want Crawford...
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8/18/2015  2:22 PM
If you like Shved you should love Crawford. I am not really a big fan of Crawford if the Knicks have to give up anything more than Calderon.

Honestly, I think this is a non issue. During the Phil era, trades usually come out of nowhere without media leaks. So why would one get out now? Was there any reports before the Chandler, JR/Shump, Pablo, Hardaway jr, or O'quinn trades? Even the Acy trade was out of nowhere.

This is just stuff to fill the dog days of the off season.
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8/18/2015  2:26 PM
If this phucks up Jerian Grant's progression, I say HELLS NO!

Damit, his name is bringing back flashbacks of Zeke, 'Rome, Fugazi, Eddie, and Vaseline boy...
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8/18/2015  2:27 PM
Crawford for Calderon doesn't work under the cap, at least 1-for-1

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8/18/2015  2:30 PM
prigioni/crawford

for
calderone and the 2 cleveland picks 2nd rounders

how soon can you tade players you recently signed?

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8/18/2015  2:36 PM
knicks1248 wrote:prigioni/crawford

for
calderone and the 2 cleveland picks 2nd rounders

how soon can you trade players you recently signed?

December and players on one year contracts have the option to turn down the trade I think.

Crawford and Davis/Wilcox for Calderon and Early will work.
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8/18/2015  2:58 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/18/2015  3:04 PM
If Jamal Crawford comes back, he's the starting lead guard. He's the Ron Harper of the triangle. Crawfords handle is more than good enough to run the offense through. Excellent size. His defense is an issue, but Jerian Grant is around.

Problem is Calderón makes more than Crawford and the Clippers don't need him.

3 way? Who exactly wants Calderón?

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8/18/2015  3:00 PM
I don't believe the rumor, but if it's true, it's just another indication Knicks feel Calderon is done and ready for a role as a 3rd PG on a playoff team. Even at 35, Crawford is still the better player in the deal so Knicks are going to have to give up something else ala Early and/or Galloway's partially guaranteed contract.
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