knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:My suspicion was that the advanced stats would generally call this a 30ish win team. So this 25 prediction isn't that far off - it's just the low end of the range. At least we have our draft pick.

by free agency win shares alone the knicks should be at 27 wins and that's not including melo's win shares. bad and sulking melo gets you to 29, typical melo gets you 32-34 wins... and i am not even factoring in grant and kp6.

a buying in melo + grant and kp6 playing well gets you another 4-6 wins i should think.

How did you arrive at 27?

i looked up the free agents we acquired and added their win shares, and then subtracted the win shares of the players we lost, and it netted a positive. i can't find the post where i initially did the research, but i was impressed with lopez and o'quinn on their win shares.

marijuana was not involved.

so coaching and chemistry don't play a factor?

Only if your connecting the dots. You don't like fish. Phil likes Fish. That's all you need to know until the season starts.
Nothing changes until Phils Facts throws him under the bus. Until then, there are no games until end of Oct.

I wish ppl would stop thinking that I don't like FISH, I really like the guy, i just think he's 4 yrs away from being a head coach, depending on the roster. If he had guys like Woodson had... KIDD, CAMBY,KMART, ect, it would make his job so much easier, but he doesn't.

He has a leaderless roster...

earthmansurfer wrote:Man, we quite a bit better than last years team. 25 wins would mean we have some injuries or the like. I can't imagine us not winning 32-35 games. 40 wouldn't at all shock me if we get the triangle down and play some defense. (I think the latter will be good. Curious to see how Melo plays in the triangle. That is gonna be fun imo.)

I think he's getting into the swing of the Triangle. Just watching his working on the footwork needed in the Triangle he seems like he's got it down pretty good. He's also using more of his Low Impact skills as we saw in the Olympic Team video where they are working on Post ups. Melo is mastering that Dirk like Fadeaway move. I noticed he's not jumping as hard on his jumpers as well. If he uses the system he'll get tons of wide open catch and shoot looks and won't have to always go to power moves. When he does post he should have better targets to pass to with this roster.

Paris907 wrote:There are still moving parts. By that I mean the rotation is hardly set. Melo may head out in a trade. Crawford may come in and Calderon + Early maybe fodder for that trade. As configured, this is a 27-37 win team. The range is wide because I don't believe that Calderon/Sasha/gallo/Grant and Afflalo can get it done and they are thin in the backcourt. The NBA has guards with never seen quickness these days. They fly by Calderon and they'll fly by Sahsa and Crawford if we pick him up. So the backcourt is our Achilles heel and until we've a stud to deal with the Wall/Hardin/Conley etc we simply can't compete beyond 35 wins

Certain other things will also have to change next year, namely our defensive game plan. I'd like us to exert more pressure in the backcourt. Press, trap, push sideline. Make opposing guards work to get the ball across the timeline, something that will tire them out late in the game -- this is extremely important. And after being pressured hard for eight feet or so, it will also be difficult for guards to continue their dribble deep into the attack zone. Pressure defenses also require opposing bigs to come help their guards and subsequently make quick decisions far away from their comfort zones. Of course, we'll need a deep, quick roster, but that's another thing we're aiming at. In addition, whenever our screen-roll defense allows a guard to penetrate, I'd like us to shift into a zone.

Afflalo, Jose and Sasha are vets who can provide offensive punch and stability. They obviously aren't defensive stoppers. I actually don't have a lot of concerns about the guard positions. We've had FAR worse situations at guard including just last year.

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:My suspicion was that the advanced stats would generally call this a 30ish win team. So this 25 prediction isn't that far off - it's just the low end of the range. At least we have our draft pick.

by free agency win shares alone the knicks should be at 27 wins and that's not including melo's win shares. bad and sulking melo gets you to 29, typical melo gets you 32-34 wins... and i am not even factoring in grant and kp6.

a buying in melo + grant and kp6 playing well gets you another 4-6 wins i should think.

How did you arrive at 27?

i looked up the free agents we acquired and added their win shares, and then subtracted the win shares of the players we lost, and it netted a positive. i can't find the post where i initially did the research, but i was impressed with lopez and o'quinn on their win shares.

marijuana was not involved.

so coaching and chemistry don't play a factor?

Only if your connecting the dots. You don't like fish. Phil likes Fish. That's all you need to know until the season starts.
Nothing changes until Phils Facts throws him under the bus. Until then, there are no games until end of Oct.

I wish ppl would stop thinking that I don't like FISH, I really like the guy, i just think he's 4 yrs away from being a head coach, depending on the roster. If he had guys like Woodson had... KIDD, CAMBY,KMART, ect, it would make his job so much easier, but he doesn't.

He has a leaderless roster...

Once Fish didn't have JR and company, you could see his coaching shine thru. His players were functioning much better and it's clear they knew what they were doing and were well coached. That doesn't guarantee wins without enough talent. From what I see Fish can coach. There's no real evidence that given a solid roster, Fish wouldn't be able to get them playing at a high level. Phil has given Fish a smarter and more higher character group of guys. I don't believe he'll have issues with leadership from this roster.

he still was bumbling and fumbling with the line up, the team did not play smart, they may have played hard, definietly not smart

In terms of lineups, it's much easier to fix your lineup when you have clear starters and not just a bunch of guys who are all about the same. Late in last season the Knicks were still taking a look at players and it's not realistic to expect that they would not take every opportunity to play different guys. The season was already over at that point. If they were trying to make the playoffs then perhaps what you're saying would carry more weight.

We'll see how Fish handles things this year. He may not end up being some great coach but I doubt he'd be having a negative impact on the team this coming season. I saw a lot of good things amidst the issues the team had last year. Every good coach needs good players to carry out what he's asking the team to do. Perhaps having more high IQ players will help Fish this year.