BRIGGS wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:The shot is a weapon. It doesn't have to be plan A in-game, but having the ability to stretch the defense is only going to help his inside game (look at how much better STAT's offensive game was when it included the 15 foot jumper, before his shot broke in season 2). We saw that Drago can put the ball on the floor in summer league. We don't need to have him exclusively in the paint.

Just shooting drills in an empty gym, what's the issue? The more versatility the better.

I'D rather have him focus on playing the game like a Kareem a mchale at his size. He does have great touch an it should b primarily used from 12 feet and in.. I wouldn't let him shoot 3s other than finishing practice shots. I'd make sure he'd watch tapes on Ewing mchale gasol even jabbar and see if he can grab a little of each o f their gmaes

Also nixluva not necessary to be obnoxious in response. It's in kp best interests to develop him like a big. There are few high skill big s in the league-- we have 1 don't want him to develop like baths or even worse Jason smith

Why are you panicking when it's clear as day that in the Triangle the PF is not going to be expected to just stand out there and shoot 3's. That's the reason why I posted the Jason Smith clips. KP6 has more talent than Jason and will be able to do more. The more skills you have the more different things you will be able to do in this offense. This isn't MDA's offense and KP6 isn't Steve Novak.

BRIGGS wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:The shot is a weapon. It doesn't have to be plan A in-game, but having the ability to stretch the defense is only going to help his inside game (look at how much better STAT's offensive game was when it included the 15 foot jumper, before his shot broke in season 2). We saw that Drago can put the ball on the floor in summer league. We don't need to have him exclusively in the paint.

Just shooting drills in an empty gym, what's the issue? The more versatility the better.

I'D rather have him focus on playing the game like a Kareem a mchale at his size. He does have great touch an it should b primarily used from 12 feet and in.. I wouldn't let him shoot 3s other than finishing practice shots. I'd make sure he'd watch tapes on Ewing mchale gasol even jabbar and see if he can grab a little of each o f their gmaes

Also nixluva not necessary to be obnoxious in response. It's in kp best interests to develop him like a big. There are few high skill big s in the league-- we have 1 don't want him to develop like baths or even worse Jason smith

Briggs I have no doubt that Phil/Fisher is gonna want KP to develop a post game.

jrodmc wrote:Yeah, never let a 7'3" skinny kid with an insane stroke practice threes, because some day Nate Robinson might be guarding him. Let him train solely like he's Lew Alcindor from 50 years ago, or Patrick Ewing from the '90's.
Unreal.

He's 7'3", so I hope to god nobody posts anything of him ever dribbling the basketball, either. Or getting out on the break.

I think in the next 2 years it will become evident that kp is an interior player. That's where 7-3 guys should play anyway. When you move any taller player away from the basket you make him small and in today's man other teams can punish this by going 4-1. No has no chance to guard a quick 6-2/6-4 g but if kp stays 14 feet and back they can guard him.

newyorknewyork wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:The shot is a weapon. It doesn't have to be plan A in-game, but having the ability to stretch the defense is only going to help his inside game (look at how much better STAT's offensive game was when it included the 15 foot jumper, before his shot broke in season 2). We saw that Drago can put the ball on the floor in summer league. We don't need to have him exclusively in the paint.

Just shooting drills in an empty gym, what's the issue? The more versatility the better.

I'D rather have him focus on playing the game like a Kareem a mchale at his size. He does have great touch an it should b primarily used from 12 feet and in.. I wouldn't let him shoot 3s other than finishing practice shots. I'd make sure he'd watch tapes on Ewing mchale gasol even jabbar and see if he can grab a little of each o f their gmaes

Also nixluva not necessary to be obnoxious in response. It's in kp best interests to develop him like a big. There are few high skill big s in the league-- we have 1 don't want him to develop like baths or even worse Jason smith

Briggs I have no doubt that Phil/Fisher is gonna want KP to develop a post game.

KP said a week or two ago that his main focus this offseason is adding strength and working on his post game

BRIGGS wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Yeah, never let a 7'3" skinny kid with an insane stroke practice threes, because some day Nate Robinson might be guarding him. Let him train solely like he's Lew Alcindor from 50 years ago, or Patrick Ewing from the '90's.
Unreal.

He's 7'3", so I hope to god nobody posts anything of him ever dribbling the basketball, either. Or getting out on the break.

I think in the next 2 years it will become evident that kp is an interior player. That's where 7-3 guys should play anyway. When you move any taller player away from the basket you make him small and in today's man other teams can punish this by going 4-1. No has no chance to guard a quick 6-2/6-4 g but if kp stays 14 feet and back they can guard him.

Briggs, if we were talking about Manute Bol or Georghe Murasan, I'd agree with you. I think you can concede KP is a special case, a freak of nature, as some have noted. The dude can run the floor, has incredible fluidity with the ball, an actual handle, and is showing some interior toughness during SL.

If he was going to be the starting 5, why did we sign Rolo?

What I see with KP holding the ball from 26 feet away and driving is injury. I think some are getting a false premise that this is the 7-3 version of KD and he's not. He has some fluid moments(as he showed in the Euro league) but he is NOT a guy who can play "3" in the NBA and I wouldnt want to see him handling in traffic much unless he wants 5 TOs a game. He is not going to over power 6-4 220 pd athletic guards--in fact the opposite will happen they will leverage him. Now inside a whole different ball of wax--he can have an elegant post game--he has the goods. He will be unguardable inside at some point in his career when his base is strong and he has learned all aspects of post footwork

Disagree with the spirit of the argument here. KP's value derives form his versatility, on and off the ball. He's obviously not a "3"; he will guard the opposing "4" and function as a match-up based hybrid on offense. Spacing the floor is not equivalent to initiating the offense from 27 feet and his ability to coexist as a secondary option is a significant advantage. His initial value as a primary driver of the offense will come from high pick and pop, multi-screen shooting plays and the occasional high-post/wing isolation.

Guarding KP with a quicker player - the way Bowen or McGrady were sometimes used to defend Dirk over the years - 1) requires an excellent defender and 2) is not realistic if the rebound, rim protection and pick-and-roll coverage trade offs are prohibitive. This possibility is being oversold.

BRIGGS wrote:
A 45 year old who never had any ability to even come close to the nBA could hit 3's like that--slow pace no interference. We drafted a 7-3 guy to shoot 30 feet from the basket? I was hoping we drafted him to be our C for the next 15 years. Learn how to to use to the post--forget about this junk--and this shot is complete junk for him. It would be EASY to make him alter it even at his size by using speed. In the high to low post is where the bread and butter is not this crp.

Why is it that you assume KP is not working on other parts of his game (such as operating in the post)? Are you making the leap that this 20 second clip represents the only offensive work that KP is getting in? I suspect you watched the summer league and saw that he was being worked at C. The kid has a lot of talent - I suspect they will work him at the 4 this year....there is absolutely nothing wrong with him working different aspects of his game. Until you know what you actually have in a player it seems silly to assume he should be a one dimensional low post player only.

newyorknewyork wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:The shot is a weapon. It doesn't have to be plan A in-game, but having the ability to stretch the defense is only going to help his inside game (look at how much better STAT's offensive game was when it included the 15 foot jumper, before his shot broke in season 2). We saw that Drago can put the ball on the floor in summer league. We don't need to have him exclusively in the paint.

Just shooting drills in an empty gym, what's the issue? The more versatility the better.

I'D rather have him focus on playing the game like a Kareem a mchale at his size. He does have great touch an it should b primarily used from 12 feet and in.. I wouldn't let him shoot 3s other than finishing practice shots. I'd make sure he'd watch tapes on Ewing mchale gasol even jabbar and see if he can grab a little of each o f their gmaes

Also nixluva not necessary to be obnoxious in response. It's in kp best interests to develop him like a big. There are few high skill big s in the league-- we have 1 don't want him to develop like baths or even worse Jason smith

Briggs I have no doubt that Phil/Fisher is gonna want KP to develop a post game.

Pretty sure that Porzingis will work on his post game anyway. Seems like that kind of player.

You want KP to have a well rounded game, of course, and this video is, undoubtedly, only one part of a longer workout, but in general, Briggs is right about thinking you'd rather see him hitting hook shots than 3s. Why would you want a 7'3" kid waiting on the perimeter to get a pass so he can jack up a 3, because that is what he'll have to do to get that kind of shot-you don't want him going ISO and chucking up 3s, do you? Unless you are talking about last second plays set up for the 3, most come from guys hanging out on the perimeter. Yeah, you have exceptions, but the most efficient seem to be guys who are open and found by another player.

If anyone has stats on contested 3's or isolation jacks I would love to see them.

KP has the size, wingspan, athletic ability, and coordination to be extremely efficient in the post a few years down the line. He'll benefit from the rules protecting offensive players and if he gets good enough he'll open up the floor if he's doubled and contribute to other players shooting 3s. He's a better passer than we were led to believe before the draft, and a polished interior game and good decision making would allow you to run the offense through him at times.

A good interior game also means you get fouled more often, which helps in many ways.

As of now, you are more likely to see the pick and pop type stuff from him- doubt if he gets many chances from downtown, but ultimately, you want him moving closer to the basket, not further away.

Some of this will be predicated on him getting stronger, of course, but my hope is to see him playing center after the Lopez contract ends, or at least have him playing many more minutes there.

We've seen what a Bynum or Pau Gasol has done in this offense and eventually KP6 should be doing the same things. Now eventually I believe KP6 will be able to post up much more effectively as he matures, gains strength and also adds more post skills. IMO the last thing we need to worry about is Phil and Fish looking to expand KP6's game. When has Phil ever not wanted his players to use every bit of their skills? It's the very nature of the Triangle to use you passing, posting, shooting, cutting skills. It's called the TRIPLE POST OFFENSE for a reason.

mreinman wrote:yeah ... lets tell a freaky good shooter that he shouldn't shoot. That is the stupidist thing I've heard.

this is not 1960

No it's sound judgement. I have no problem with KP taking 1 good three wide open a game(for instance following a play) OR if somehow he gets hot--that's fine(1nce in awhile). But 85-90% of his game should be 12 feet and in. You talk about efficiency--whats more efficient a 7-3 guy taking a 4 footer or 30 footer. Do we want Myers Leonard here(who actually is more athletic than KP imho) or Bargnani or do we want Kevin Mchale Jabbar Pau? This is is developmental stage this is make or break how we develop him.

By the way it's funny when you call someone stupid and spell the word wrong. No mreinman we dont want our 7-3 guy taking 5 3's a game--we wasnt prescient development and efficient post play