I expect more from you guys. I knew Afflalo was going to participate in the USA white/blue game so I automatically dvr'ed it. If you are a fan you don't need the best wtiters to feed you an opinion. You can see it for yourself. It's 2015.

the game was played like an all star game. Guys were shooting threes and dunking for the fans. All of Afflalo points were wide open. Not much real defense out there

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:I think peak Afflalo can give us 13 pts/game, 3 reb, 3 ast on 45% shooting and 38% from downtown with solid D.

That would be the best case scenario for the Knicks this season, and gunning for that 8th seed.

We need him as our 2nd scorer. I'm hoping for 15-18 ppg from him.

That's the wrong mindset to have. We should have a share the ball system like ATL or San An.

That's winning basketball, having just 2 guys score the brunt is destined for the same old Knicks ala Melo and JR season.

Best to have peak Melo average 21-22 points, Afflalo 13 maybe 14, then have a bunch of players average around double figures at least.

Atlanta

Rk            Player Age  G GS   MP  FG  FGA  FG%  3P 3PA  3P%  2P  2PA  2P% eFG%  FT FTA  FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PF  PTS
1       Paul Millsap  29 73 73 32.7 6.1 12.7 .476 1.1 3.0 .356 5.0  9.8 .513 .518 3.5 4.6 .757 1.9 5.9 7.8 3.1 1.8 0.9 2.3 2.8 16.7
2        Kyle Korver  33 75 75 32.2 3.9  8.0 .487 2.9 6.0 .492 0.9  2.0 .470 .671 1.4 1.6 .898 0.2 3.9 4.1 2.6 0.7 0.6 1.4 1.9 12.1
3    DeMarre Carroll  28 70 69 31.3 4.5  9.3 .487 1.7 4.3 .395 2.8  5.0 .567 .579 1.8 2.6 .702 1.4 3.9 5.3 1.7 1.3 0.2 1.1 2.2 12.6
4         Al Horford  28 76 76 30.5 6.8 12.7 .538 0.1 0.5 .306 6.7 12.2 .547 .544 1.4 1.9 .759 1.7 5.4 7.2 3.2 0.9 1.3 1.3 1.6 15.2
5        Jeff Teague  26 73 72 30.5 5.6 12.2 .460 1.0 2.8 .343 4.6  9.3 .496 .500 3.8 4.4 .862 0.4 2.1 2.5 7.0 1.7 0.4 2.8 1.9 15.9
6    Dennis Schroder  21 77 10 19.7 3.7  8.6 .427 0.7 1.9 .351 3.0  6.7 .449 .466 1.9 2.3 .827 0.4 1.8 2.1 4.1 0.6 0.1 1.9 1.6 10.0

San Antonio

Rk            Player Age  G GS   MP  FG  FGA  FG%  3P 3PA  3P%  2P  2PA  2P% eFG%  FT FTA   FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PF  PTS
1      Kawhi Leonard  23 64 64 31.8 6.2 12.8 .479 1.0 3.0 .349 5.1  9.8 .519 .520 3.2 3.9  .802 1.3 5.9 7.2 2.5 2.3 0.8 1.5 2.0 16.5
2         Tim Duncan  38 77 77 28.9 5.4 10.6 .512 0.0 0.1 .286 5.4 10.5 .514 .513 3.0 4.0  .740 2.2 6.9 9.1 3.0 0.8 2.0 1.7 2.1 13.9
3        Tony Parker  32 68 68 28.7 5.9 12.2 .486 0.6 1.3 .427 5.4 10.9 .493 .508 1.9 2.4  .783 0.2 1.7 1.9 4.9 0.6 0.0 2.1 1.6 14.4
4        Danny Green  27 81 80 28.5 4.0  9.1 .436 2.4 5.6 .418 1.6  3.5 .466 .566 1.4 1.6  .874 0.7 3.6 4.2 2.0 1.2 1.1 1.1 2.0 11.7
5         Boris Diaw  32 81 15 24.5 3.6  7.8 .460 0.7 2.1 .320 2.9  5.7 .512 .503 0.9 1.1  .774 1.0 3.3 4.3 2.9 0.4 0.3 1.6 1.8  8.7
6      Manu Ginobili  37 70  0 22.7 3.6  8.4 .426 1.3 3.7 .345 2.3  4.7 .489 .502 2.1 2.9  .721 0.4 2.6 3.0 4.2 1.0 0.3 2.2 2.0 10.5
7    Marco Belinelli  28 62  9 22.4 3.2  7.6 .423 1.4 3.7 .374 1.8  3.9 .471 .515 1.4 1.6  .848 0.4 2.1 2.5 1.5 0.5 0.0 1.0 1.4  9.2
8     Tiago Splitter  30 52 35 19.8 3.3  5.8 .558 0.0 0.0      3.3  5.8 .558 .558 1.7 2.3  .750 1.8 3.1 4.8 1.5 0.7 0.7 1.2 2.0  8.2

Team Ball, share the wealth ball, is the way to go.

Couldn't agree more.

TPercy wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:I think peak Afflalo can give us 13 pts/game, 3 reb, 3 ast on 45% shooting and 38% from downtown with solid D.

That would be the best case scenario for the Knicks this season, and gunning for that 8th seed.

13 isn't peak by any means -- those stats would be expected --- peak would be getting up into the 17/18 range with maybe 4 reb and 4 assists -- maybe slightly worse %.

i agree, he needs to avg close to 18ppg for us to over achieve

Or we can share the freaking basketball and actually play some team exciting basketball rather than IsoMelo and Isoafflalo...just a thought.

Galloway, Hardaway and Bargs all averaged in the 12-15 (rounding) point range last year - to say that Afflalo's max would be 13 is a tad understated.

I agree that we need to move/share the ball but if AA is our starting SG playing +32 mins a night I don't think 13 Pts is his MAX. Maybe 13 is the right #, maybe its a bad # but it's NOT what one would or should refer to as his MAX. Particularly when a guy has already put up 18 in his career and folks referring to Magic as a bad team 2 years ago need to be reminded how many games we won last year. We are not the 86 Celtics or showtime Lakers.

nixluva wrote:

EnySpree wrote:Berman reporting? The game was on espn 2 and nbatv....

I expect more from you guys. I knew Afflalo was going to participate in the USA white/blue game so I automatically dvr'ed it. If you are a fan you don't need the best wtiters to feed you an opinion. You can see it for yourself. It's 2015.

the game was played like an all star game. Guys were shooting threes and dunking for the fans. All of Afflalo points were wide open. Not much real defense out there

When AA is healthy and comfortable he can really shoot the 3 ball. AA has had some years of over 40% 3pt shooting and I think he'll be able to get touches and gain a comfort level here. We really need him to be the 2nd option and score between 16-18 ppg.

So i watched the game and everybody needs to slow down on the AA expectations. I havent watch him too much but I doubt he was even a 18 ppg guy in his prime. To me he looked rusty and wasnt in full season form. If he was then hes not going to score 18 ppg. More like 15.....he hit and missed wide open shots. Hes no defensive stopper....but hes above average. I think the second scorer will change each game.....KP could be our second scorer......AA looked like a solid all around player....not some scoring machine. I think KP can be a scoring machine because of his jumper....penetration and free throws. AA will be on the outside waiting for a catch and shoot pass.....you not averaging 18 like that. KP will be in the post and on the wing.....with his had up for the ball......along with melo....Thats how you put up buckets. By the second half....if healthy......KP should be out scoring AA.......and thats fine.

He's a respected player in this league. That's why they offered him a spot to play with the USA. No need to play video. We know what Afflalo can bring. He's going to give us solid professional effort at the 2 guard. No need to put expectations on this guy.

EnySpree wrote:Afflalo did have a 18pt scoring year.... that doesn't mean he's going to assume that role here.

He's a respected player in this league. That's why they offered him a spot to play with the USA. No need to play video. We know what Afflalo can bring. He's going to give us solid professional effort at the 2 guard. No need to put expectations on this guy.

Even if you have an equal opportunity offense, human nature still plays a part. Not all players have the same confidence or aggressiveness offensively.
It's not so much about putting expectations on AA. He's capable of the very things we've mentioned so it's not asking much to expect him to play to the level that he normally has been at. He's on a team with only one proven scorer, in Melo so it's not a stretch to think that the ball will find it's way into his hands quite a bit as a SHOOTING GUARD. Melo and AA are the top offensive players until we can get KP6 going. I also think Jerian and DWill have the kind of talent that should work well in scoring in this offense.

Someone mentioned that we need to not follow old convention of Batman and Robin, but that's not what we're talking about here. The scoring is going to be spread fairly well in the Triangle anyway. It's just part of the nature of the offense, but you're still gonna likely see Melo and AA a bit higher than the rest because of their history as scorers and the positions they play. Both of them have the scorers mentality and will be less likely to pass up good shots. I can see KP6 eventually being one of those guys as well, since he has that kind of confidence in his offense, as does Jerian.

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Hate this designation of "second scorer" or "sidekick".

Just play team ball, hit the open man....Phuck having one or two guys score the brunt.

You never ever see Duncan or Ginobili or Parker bat an eye if Kawhi goes off for 30.

You never ever heard complaints from Al Horford or Paul Millsap if Kyle Korver was the guy getting fed like a pig.

This mindset about Batman and Robin roles has to got to phucking cease. That's how we got in this predicament in the first place. We had Amare and were phucking rolling...not Championship rolling, but teamball rolling. Wilson chipped in, Gallo chipped in, even Felton played decent. Then we had to copy Boston and Miami and starphuck....you guys know how that turned out.

Don't follow the Batman/Robin model, instead go for the Mighty Avengers or Justice League model. Even Ant-Man kicks ass! It's got to be a teamball effort, and I believe it will, with Phil's guys and philosophies in place.

What about "wingman" or "riding shotgun"?
"second fiddle", or a worst, "sloppy seconds"!

I rather have a bukkake or lemon party where everyone takes shots!