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ChuckBuck
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8/11/2015  2:20 PM
Sangfroid wrote:For all the posting you guys did about Me7o's not moving the ball, please refer to item 1).

"During a give-and-take with fans on his Instagram page, Carmelo Anthony hinted that he’s happy with the direction of the New York Knicks and isn’t interested in seeking a trade from the team.
In response to a fan questioning how much he cared about the game, Anthony wrote, “Shows how little you know about me".

IG Talk and nothing else.

His play always speak otherwise.

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8/11/2015  3:19 PM
lame non baskeball thread. Stick to the hats. More interesting
"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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8/11/2015  3:26 PM
Page after page of iso sets with morons like Felton, Kidd'sCorpse, what the eff? He's even got a picture of ParabolaBoy Fields and Toney Douglas with their hands in the air. Why the **** don't you include a clip of Me7o hitting Fishlips in the back of the head with a pass?


Like I've said in myriad other ChuckBuck Melohately-come-lately threads, the man will up his assists per game because now he's got some quality on the court with him, and Chuck will be back in the fold in a cheap instant, waving his foam finger.

"His play always speak otherwise"

Flip-flopping is a terrible thing to have to behold. Thankfully, Chuck hasn't always spoke otherwise.

ChuckBuck
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8/11/2015  3:28 PM
fishmike wrote:lame non baskeball thread. Stick to the hats. More interesting

Did you vote there?

ChuckBuck
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8/11/2015  3:30 PM
jrodmc wrote:Page after page of iso sets with morons like Felton, Kidd'sCorpse, what the eff? He's even got a picture of ParabolaBoy Fields and Toney Douglas with their hands in the air. Why the **** don't you include a clip of Me7o hitting Fishlips in the back of the head with a pass?


Like I've said in myriad other ChuckBuck Melohately-come-lately threads, the man will up his assists per game because now he's got some quality on the court with him, and Chuck will be back in the fold in a cheap instant, waving his foam finger.

"His play always speak otherwise"

Flip-flopping is a terrible thing to have to behold. Thankfully, Chuck hasn't always spoke otherwise.

We shall see jrodmc!

Will you come over to the dark side (right side) if/when Me7o reverts back to selfish chuckery?

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8/11/2015  3:34 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
jrodmc wrote:Page after page of iso sets with morons like Felton, Kidd'sCorpse, what the eff? He's even got a picture of ParabolaBoy Fields and Toney Douglas with their hands in the air. Why the **** don't you include a clip of Me7o hitting Fishlips in the back of the head with a pass?


Like I've said in myriad other ChuckBuck Melohately-come-lately threads, the man will up his assists per game because now he's got some quality on the court with him, and Chuck will be back in the fold in a cheap instant, waving his foam finger.

"His play always speak otherwise"

Flip-flopping is a terrible thing to have to behold. Thankfully, Chuck hasn't always spoke otherwise.

We shall see jrodmc!

Will you come over to the dark side (right side) if/when Me7o reverts back to selfish chuckery?

name me a person in the history of the league that won a scoring title and didn't chuck up a bunch of shots to do so.

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ChuckBuck
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8/11/2015  4:07 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
jrodmc wrote:Page after page of iso sets with morons like Felton, Kidd'sCorpse, what the eff? He's even got a picture of ParabolaBoy Fields and Toney Douglas with their hands in the air. Why the **** don't you include a clip of Me7o hitting Fishlips in the back of the head with a pass?


Like I've said in myriad other ChuckBuck Melohately-come-lately threads, the man will up his assists per game because now he's got some quality on the court with him, and Chuck will be back in the fold in a cheap instant, waving his foam finger.

"His play always speak otherwise"

Flip-flopping is a terrible thing to have to behold. Thankfully, Chuck hasn't always spoke otherwise.

We shall see jrodmc!

Will you come over to the dark side (right side) if/when Me7o reverts back to selfish chuckery?

name me a person in the history of the league that won a scoring title and didn't chuck up a bunch of shots to do so.

That's why I put "selfish" chuckery.

MJ averaged 8 assists one season. Kobe even averaged 6 assist a few times. KD averaged over 4 assists for 3 straight seasons. Even T-Mac averaged over 5 assists at his ball hogging best. Melo simply doesn't dish the rock (3.1 assists for his career).

Moral of the story, if you're going to shoot it 30 times a game, you better share the ball sometimes, before someone Geno Smith's you in the locker room.

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8/11/2015  4:16 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
jrodmc wrote:Page after page of iso sets with morons like Felton, Kidd'sCorpse, what the eff? He's even got a picture of ParabolaBoy Fields and Toney Douglas with their hands in the air. Why the **** don't you include a clip of Me7o hitting Fishlips in the back of the head with a pass?


Like I've said in myriad other ChuckBuck Melohately-come-lately threads, the man will up his assists per game because now he's got some quality on the court with him, and Chuck will be back in the fold in a cheap instant, waving his foam finger.

"His play always speak otherwise"

Flip-flopping is a terrible thing to have to behold. Thankfully, Chuck hasn't always spoke otherwise.

We shall see jrodmc!

Will you come over to the dark side (right side) if/when Me7o reverts back to selfish chuckery?

name me a person in the history of the league that won a scoring title and didn't chuck up a bunch of shots to do so.

who care how many shots you put up??

whats important is how efficient you are shooting those shots.

If you are efficient you should be shooting 60 shots a game. No cap.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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8/11/2015  4:18 PM
mreinman wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
jrodmc wrote:Page after page of iso sets with morons like Felton, Kidd'sCorpse, what the eff? He's even got a picture of ParabolaBoy Fields and Toney Douglas with their hands in the air. Why the **** don't you include a clip of Me7o hitting Fishlips in the back of the head with a pass?


Like I've said in myriad other ChuckBuck Melohately-come-lately threads, the man will up his assists per game because now he's got some quality on the court with him, and Chuck will be back in the fold in a cheap instant, waving his foam finger.

"His play always speak otherwise"

Flip-flopping is a terrible thing to have to behold. Thankfully, Chuck hasn't always spoke otherwise.

We shall see jrodmc!

Will you come over to the dark side (right side) if/when Me7o reverts back to selfish chuckery?

name me a person in the history of the league that won a scoring title and didn't chuck up a bunch of shots to do so.

who care how many shots you put up??

whats important is how efficient you are shooting those shots.

If you are efficient you should be shooting 60 shots a game. No cap.

That's why people drool over KD's numbers over Me7o's numbers.

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8/11/2015  7:18 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
TheloniusMonk wrote:^^^^^^Pierce sacrificed his buckets to a couple hall of famers. When Pierce had no one to pass to during that horrible "Fire Doc" season, he sacrificed nothing nor was he expected to. He was playing with bums.

Please stop the Me7o dikriding.

If Me7o ever averages 4 or 5 assists a game as a Knick it will be a first. Then we can actually say he sacrificed his game for the betterment for the team.

Playing the right way is why so many of us are disillusioned by #7. He can pass, chooses not to at times.

If we see more of this this year, his ISO play is so easily defended.

Pack the paint, and watch those long inefficient 2's brick out repeatedly. Play triangle and ball movement bball, and it's easier for everyone, Me7o included.

All 5 celtics are supposed to have their eye on the ball no? Looks a bit like a Cavs set from the finals.

wrong again.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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8/11/2015  7:20 PM
mreinman wrote:but the issue is that even when a hard triple team is coming, he does not pass when they are "coming", he passes when they are already there and he has no choice.

this is accurate and dirk finally understood that the year he won the title.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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8/11/2015  7:28 PM
dk7th wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
TheloniusMonk wrote:^^^^^^Pierce sacrificed his buckets to a couple hall of famers. When Pierce had no one to pass to during that horrible "Fire Doc" season, he sacrificed nothing nor was he expected to. He was playing with bums.

Please stop the Me7o dikriding.

If Me7o ever averages 4 or 5 assists a game as a Knick it will be a first. Then we can actually say he sacrificed his game for the betterment for the team.

Playing the right way is why so many of us are disillusioned by #7. He can pass, chooses not to at times.

If we see more of this this year, his ISO play is so easily defended.

Pack the paint, and watch those long inefficient 2's brick out repeatedly. Play triangle and ball movement bball, and it's easier for everyone, Me7o included.

All 5 celtics are supposed to have their eye on the ball no? Looks a bit like a Cavs set from the finals.

wrong again.


You are not supposed to keep your eye on the ball when you are playing defense? Interesting.
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8/11/2015  7:53 PM
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:Melo being happy and hopefully more healthy is a good thing for NY. He's going to get some of that Olympic exposure which tends to be good for him as well. The system we run now should help Melo as long as the players we have around him can function at a higher level than the guys we started with last year.

I believe the team is much improved around him. It's not a bunch of big names, but the players have the right skills and mental approach to the game. I expect Melo to have a good year and play more in the flow of the offense this year. There should be far less forced shots IMO.

I'm sure that Phil doesn't really care about what MJ said. Dean Smith did do a good job with his players. Also Phil knows that MJ didn't win a Title without him so...

set lower expectations. I will be happy with just 1 more assist per game (preferably in the second half - he seems to get most of his assists in the fourth quarter).


Melo playing in the flow doesn't mean he has to increase his assists per se. It's about when and how he looks to score. Ball movement doesn't mean that the pass you make is going to lead directly to a shot. That's not really how the Triangle works once they get into it. Yes early offense will have more of a bang bang nature to the pass leading to a score, but once they start the Triangle motion and get into the actions, the setting up of the defense means the ball is moved and players are cutting to create the open shot.

Melo is going to be one of the players they're looking to work the ball to, in order to score. Still he's going to be in position to make passes that lead to scores for his teammates and I believe he will!!! Those pictures above are not Triangle sets. In this offense there will be more motion around Melo as opposed to simply standing behind the 3pt line. There are more Cuts and flashing to the Elbow. IMO Melo will increase his assists this year without having to make any difficult passes. The hand offs and passes in the Triangle are very simple and I expect that Melo will become proficient in making those passes the longer he plays in this system.

the key metric will be the ratio of melo's usage to melo's assist rate. for his career it is around 2:1 and his scoring title season it was 2.5:1 and then that season's playoffs he went up to an abominable 3:1!!!

what were jordan's and bryant's ratio in the triangle? around 1.3:1 or 1.4:1.

hence, in order for melo to be successful he will need to get much better at moving the ball than he has shown. i have ZERO faith that this will happen. if he reduces his usage-- an absolute must-- to around 28% while raising the assist rate to around 20%.

i just don't see that happening but if it does the knicks will win 38 or more games. please make special note of this post.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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8/11/2015  7:55 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
TheloniusMonk wrote:^^^^^^Pierce sacrificed his buckets to a couple hall of famers. When Pierce had no one to pass to during that horrible "Fire Doc" season, he sacrificed nothing nor was he expected to. He was playing with bums.

Please stop the Me7o dikriding.

If Me7o ever averages 4 or 5 assists a game as a Knick it will be a first. Then we can actually say he sacrificed his game for the betterment for the team.

Playing the right way is why so many of us are disillusioned by #7. He can pass, chooses not to at times.

If we see more of this this year, his ISO play is so easily defended.

Pack the paint, and watch those long inefficient 2's brick out repeatedly. Play triangle and ball movement bball, and it's easier for everyone, Me7o included.

All 5 celtics are supposed to have their eye on the ball no? Looks a bit like a Cavs set from the finals.

wrong again.


You are not supposed to keep your eye on the ball when you are playing defense? Interesting.

wrong again. keep trying and maybe you'll figure it out.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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8/11/2015  8:22 PM
John Starks never look at the ball when he guarded MJ.
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8/11/2015  8:45 PM
dk7th wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
nixluva wrote:Melo being happy and hopefully more healthy is a good thing for NY. He's going to get some of that Olympic exposure which tends to be good for him as well. The system we run now should help Melo as long as the players we have around him can function at a higher level than the guys we started with last year.

I believe the team is much improved around him. It's not a bunch of big names, but the players have the right skills and mental approach to the game. I expect Melo to have a good year and play more in the flow of the offense this year. There should be far less forced shots IMO.

I'm sure that Phil doesn't really care about what MJ said. Dean Smith did do a good job with his players. Also Phil knows that MJ didn't win a Title without him so...

set lower expectations. I will be happy with just 1 more assist per game (preferably in the second half - he seems to get most of his assists in the fourth quarter).


Melo playing in the flow doesn't mean he has to increase his assists per se. It's about when and how he looks to score. Ball movement doesn't mean that the pass you make is going to lead directly to a shot. That's not really how the Triangle works once they get into it. Yes early offense will have more of a bang bang nature to the pass leading to a score, but once they start the Triangle motion and get into the actions, the setting up of the defense means the ball is moved and players are cutting to create the open shot.

Melo is going to be one of the players they're looking to work the ball to, in order to score. Still he's going to be in position to make passes that lead to scores for his teammates and I believe he will!!! Those pictures above are not Triangle sets. In this offense there will be more motion around Melo as opposed to simply standing behind the 3pt line. There are more Cuts and flashing to the Elbow. IMO Melo will increase his assists this year without having to make any difficult passes. The hand offs and passes in the Triangle are very simple and I expect that Melo will become proficient in making those passes the longer he plays in this system.

the key metric will be the ratio of melo's usage to melo's assist rate. for his career it is around 2:1 and his scoring title season it was 2.5:1 and then that season's playoffs he went up to an abominable 3:1!!!

what were jordan's and bryant's ratio in the triangle? around 1.3:1 or 1.4:1.

hence, in order for melo to be successful he will need to get much better at moving the ball than he has shown. i have ZERO faith that this will happen. if he reduces his usage-- an absolute must-- to around 28% while raising the assist rate to around 20%.

i just don't see that happening but if it does the knicks will win 38 or more games. please make special note of this post.


Jordan and Kobe are much more natural passers than Melo. I don't expect Melo to be quite up to their standards but I agree that Melo should show significant progress in looking for his teammates this season and beyond. Melo needs to become more of an active participant in the flow of the offense, which actually is made much easier in this system because you are often waiting for your teammates to cut or show when you have the ball.

He has enough talent on this roster to get the job done if he is actively looking for them a bit more often than he normally does. Melo is still a primary option but he needs to learn how to use that to get his teammates even better looks. That's the entire point of the Triangle if Melo chooses to make use of many passing options in the offense.

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8/12/2015  12:40 AM
Melo is a better passer with his back to the basket then when facing up. He has better vision and anticipation when doing so. The main thing with Melo is making quicker decisions with the ball in order to keep the flow. The natural movement of the tri should lead to assist with better talent and iq to make the correct reads to for openings and hitting the shots.
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