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8/11/2015  5:51 AM
TPercy wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
TPercy wrote:I actually kind of like what we did with our center position.
Lopez
Quinn
Seraphin

We have a high character ,leader who is a very solid rim protector-Lopez
We have O quinn who can be relied upon to protect the rim, be a really decent passer and score a little. The only thing that scares me is when he said in the Clyde interview.at Sl that he wants to take more longer twos.
Seraphin, who is a low risk high reward signing a really talented guy but has pretty poor Bball IQ.

more long 2's. Perfect! Phil is gonna really love this guy and has him saying all the right things.


Man you guys need to get a grip with this Triangle hate stuff. O'Quinn said that he had been working on his 3pt shot and was trying to extend his range. He's already good from midrange but was asked to shoot more corner 3's.

Kyle O’Quinn: “I’m working on the same things I always do. I’m trying to expand my game, learn from my mistakes last year and focus on little things like screen-setting, rolling out of screens faster, picking my spots on the pop shot. Of course, I’m working on my jump-shot, some go-to moves in the post, my conditioning and body, things like that. The biggest thing for me is sharpening up the things that I do well. I do want to get better at shooting corner threes. Last year, I was asked to do that and I want to keep working on that and expanding my range. I’m just sharpening everything so that I’m more comfortable and confident with my shot. At Impact, they help you become an all-around player, so I’ll be ready to play any role that’s asked of me. I’m following the Impact plan.”

I'm not hating on any triangle ,it.just concerns me that when kyle o Quinn was interviewed during the commentary of the spurs knicks game in summer league ,he said he wants to take more long twos.

Orlando was trying to force O'Quinn to be something he's not. That's why they fired their coaching staff. O'Quinn can shoot the three but it doesn't mean he should. Corner threes in the flow of the offense is doable, but just spotting up is not useful to us. That long two will be there the same way it was there for smith and Bargnani.

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8/11/2015  8:08 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/11/2015  8:08 AM
EnySpree wrote:
TPercy wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
TPercy wrote:I actually kind of like what we did with our center position.
Lopez
Quinn
Seraphin

We have a high character ,leader who is a very solid rim protector-Lopez
We have O quinn who can be relied upon to protect the rim, be a really decent passer and score a little. The only thing that scares me is when he said in the Clyde interview.at Sl that he wants to take more longer twos.
Seraphin, who is a low risk high reward signing a really talented guy but has pretty poor Bball IQ.

more long 2's. Perfect! Phil is gonna really love this guy and has him saying all the right things.


Man you guys need to get a grip with this Triangle hate stuff. O'Quinn said that he had been working on his 3pt shot and was trying to extend his range. He's already good from midrange but was asked to shoot more corner 3's.

Kyle O’Quinn: “I’m working on the same things I always do. I’m trying to expand my game, learn from my mistakes last year and focus on little things like screen-setting, rolling out of screens faster, picking my spots on the pop shot. Of course, I’m working on my jump-shot, some go-to moves in the post, my conditioning and body, things like that. The biggest thing for me is sharpening up the things that I do well. I do want to get better at shooting corner threes. Last year, I was asked to do that and I want to keep working on that and expanding my range. I’m just sharpening everything so that I’m more comfortable and confident with my shot. At Impact, they help you become an all-around player, so I’ll be ready to play any role that’s asked of me. I’m following the Impact plan.”

I'm not hating on any triangle ,it.just concerns me that when kyle o Quinn was interviewed during the commentary of the spurs knicks game in summer league ,he said he wants to take more long twos.

Orlando was trying to force O'Quinn to be something he's not. That's why they fired their coaching staff. O'Quinn can shoot the three but it doesn't mean he should. Corner threes in the flow of the offense is doable, but just spotting up is not useful to us. That long two will be there the same way it was there for smith and Bargnani.


You have no problem with that? Are you aware that the long two is the most inefficient shot in the game?
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8/11/2015  5:23 PM
TPercy wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
TPercy wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
TPercy wrote:I actually kind of like what we did with our center position.
Lopez
Quinn
Seraphin

We have a high character ,leader who is a very solid rim protector-Lopez
We have O quinn who can be relied upon to protect the rim, be a really decent passer and score a little. The only thing that scares me is when he said in the Clyde interview.at Sl that he wants to take more longer twos.
Seraphin, who is a low risk high reward signing a really talented guy but has pretty poor Bball IQ.

more long 2's. Perfect! Phil is gonna really love this guy and has him saying all the right things.


Man you guys need to get a grip with this Triangle hate stuff. O'Quinn said that he had been working on his 3pt shot and was trying to extend his range. He's already good from midrange but was asked to shoot more corner 3's.

Kyle O’Quinn: “I’m working on the same things I always do. I’m trying to expand my game, learn from my mistakes last year and focus on little things like screen-setting, rolling out of screens faster, picking my spots on the pop shot. Of course, I’m working on my jump-shot, some go-to moves in the post, my conditioning and body, things like that. The biggest thing for me is sharpening up the things that I do well. I do want to get better at shooting corner threes. Last year, I was asked to do that and I want to keep working on that and expanding my range. I’m just sharpening everything so that I’m more comfortable and confident with my shot. At Impact, they help you become an all-around player, so I’ll be ready to play any role that’s asked of me. I’m following the Impact plan.”

I'm not hating on any triangle ,it.just concerns me that when kyle o Quinn was interviewed during the commentary of the spurs knicks game in summer league ,he said he wants to take more long twos.

Orlando was trying to force O'Quinn to be something he's not. That's why they fired their coaching staff. O'Quinn can shoot the three but it doesn't mean he should. Corner threes in the flow of the offense is doable, but just spotting up is not useful to us. That long two will be there the same way it was there for smith and Bargnani.


You have no problem with that? Are you aware that the long two is the most inefficient shot in the game?

You really have to not buy into this media trope about long 2's. That's not really the focus of the Triangle. It's just one aspect of the offense that media guys have focused on but they don't tell you that the Triangle has been one of the more efficient offenses and just as efficient as any of today's offenses. The numbers prove that the Triangle has been one of the most efficient offenses and by focusing on the long 2's trope it tells a false story about the offense.

Listen you can't fake being efficient or not. You either have an efficient offense or you don't. Triangle has been efficient.

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8/11/2015  5:58 PM
nixluva wrote:
TPercy wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
TPercy wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
TPercy wrote:I actually kind of like what we did with our center position.
Lopez
Quinn
Seraphin

We have a high character ,leader who is a very solid rim protector-Lopez
We have O quinn who can be relied upon to protect the rim, be a really decent passer and score a little. The only thing that scares me is when he said in the Clyde interview.at Sl that he wants to take more longer twos.
Seraphin, who is a low risk high reward signing a really talented guy but has pretty poor Bball IQ.

more long 2's. Perfect! Phil is gonna really love this guy and has him saying all the right things.


Man you guys need to get a grip with this Triangle hate stuff. O'Quinn said that he had been working on his 3pt shot and was trying to extend his range. He's already good from midrange but was asked to shoot more corner 3's.

Kyle O’Quinn: “I’m working on the same things I always do. I’m trying to expand my game, learn from my mistakes last year and focus on little things like screen-setting, rolling out of screens faster, picking my spots on the pop shot. Of course, I’m working on my jump-shot, some go-to moves in the post, my conditioning and body, things like that. The biggest thing for me is sharpening up the things that I do well. I do want to get better at shooting corner threes. Last year, I was asked to do that and I want to keep working on that and expanding my range. I’m just sharpening everything so that I’m more comfortable and confident with my shot. At Impact, they help you become an all-around player, so I’ll be ready to play any role that’s asked of me. I’m following the Impact plan.”

I'm not hating on any triangle ,it.just concerns me that when kyle o Quinn was interviewed during the commentary of the spurs knicks game in summer league ,he said he wants to take more long twos.

Orlando was trying to force O'Quinn to be something he's not. That's why they fired their coaching staff. O'Quinn can shoot the three but it doesn't mean he should. Corner threes in the flow of the offense is doable, but just spotting up is not useful to us. That long two will be there the same way it was there for smith and Bargnani.


You have no problem with that? Are you aware that the long two is the most inefficient shot in the game?

You really have to not buy into this media trope about long 2's. That's not really the focus of the Triangle. It's just one aspect of the offense that media guys have focused on but they don't tell you that the Triangle has been one of the more efficient offenses and just as efficient as any of today's offenses. The numbers prove that the Triangle has been one of the most efficient offenses and by focusing on the long 2's trope it tells a false story about the offense.

Listen you can't fake being efficient or not. You either have an efficient offense or you don't. Triangle has been efficient.

Nix. For the second time, I'm not taking shots at the offense itself, I'm taking shots against kyle o Quinn when he said he wanted to take longer twos triangle or no triangle. There is no need for him to be doing that you and me both know that.

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8/11/2015  5:58 PM
nixluva wrote:
TPercy wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
TPercy wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
TPercy wrote:I actually kind of like what we did with our center position.
Lopez
Quinn
Seraphin

We have a high character ,leader who is a very solid rim protector-Lopez
We have O quinn who can be relied upon to protect the rim, be a really decent passer and score a little. The only thing that scares me is when he said in the Clyde interview.at Sl that he wants to take more longer twos.
Seraphin, who is a low risk high reward signing a really talented guy but has pretty poor Bball IQ.

more long 2's. Perfect! Phil is gonna really love this guy and has him saying all the right things.


Man you guys need to get a grip with this Triangle hate stuff. O'Quinn said that he had been working on his 3pt shot and was trying to extend his range. He's already good from midrange but was asked to shoot more corner 3's.

Kyle O’Quinn: “I’m working on the same things I always do. I’m trying to expand my game, learn from my mistakes last year and focus on little things like screen-setting, rolling out of screens faster, picking my spots on the pop shot. Of course, I’m working on my jump-shot, some go-to moves in the post, my conditioning and body, things like that. The biggest thing for me is sharpening up the things that I do well. I do want to get better at shooting corner threes. Last year, I was asked to do that and I want to keep working on that and expanding my range. I’m just sharpening everything so that I’m more comfortable and confident with my shot. At Impact, they help you become an all-around player, so I’ll be ready to play any role that’s asked of me. I’m following the Impact plan.”

I'm not hating on any triangle ,it.just concerns me that when kyle o Quinn was interviewed during the commentary of the spurs knicks game in summer league ,he said he wants to take more long twos.

Orlando was trying to force O'Quinn to be something he's not. That's why they fired their coaching staff. O'Quinn can shoot the three but it doesn't mean he should. Corner threes in the flow of the offense is doable, but just spotting up is not useful to us. That long two will be there the same way it was there for smith and Bargnani.


You have no problem with that? Are you aware that the long two is the most inefficient shot in the game?

You really have to not buy into this media trope about long 2's. That's not really the focus of the Triangle. It's just one aspect of the offense that media guys have focused on but they don't tell you that the Triangle has been one of the more efficient offenses and just as efficient as any of today's offenses. The numbers prove that the Triangle has been one of the most efficient offenses and by focusing on the long 2's trope it tells a false story about the offense.

Listen you can't fake being efficient or not. You either have an efficient offense or you don't. Triangle has been efficient.

Nix. For the second time, I'm not taking shots at the offense itself, I'm taking shots against kyle o Quinn when he said he wanted to take longer twos triangle or no triangle. There is no need for him to be doing that you and me both know that.

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8/11/2015  5:58 PM
nixluva wrote:
TPercy wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
TPercy wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
TPercy wrote:I actually kind of like what we did with our center position.
Lopez
Quinn
Seraphin

We have a high character ,leader who is a very solid rim protector-Lopez
We have O quinn who can be relied upon to protect the rim, be a really decent passer and score a little. The only thing that scares me is when he said in the Clyde interview.at Sl that he wants to take more longer twos.
Seraphin, who is a low risk high reward signing a really talented guy but has pretty poor Bball IQ.

more long 2's. Perfect! Phil is gonna really love this guy and has him saying all the right things.


Man you guys need to get a grip with this Triangle hate stuff. O'Quinn said that he had been working on his 3pt shot and was trying to extend his range. He's already good from midrange but was asked to shoot more corner 3's.

Kyle O’Quinn: “I’m working on the same things I always do. I’m trying to expand my game, learn from my mistakes last year and focus on little things like screen-setting, rolling out of screens faster, picking my spots on the pop shot. Of course, I’m working on my jump-shot, some go-to moves in the post, my conditioning and body, things like that. The biggest thing for me is sharpening up the things that I do well. I do want to get better at shooting corner threes. Last year, I was asked to do that and I want to keep working on that and expanding my range. I’m just sharpening everything so that I’m more comfortable and confident with my shot. At Impact, they help you become an all-around player, so I’ll be ready to play any role that’s asked of me. I’m following the Impact plan.”

I'm not hating on any triangle ,it.just concerns me that when kyle o Quinn was interviewed during the commentary of the spurs knicks game in summer league ,he said he wants to take more long twos.

Orlando was trying to force O'Quinn to be something he's not. That's why they fired their coaching staff. O'Quinn can shoot the three but it doesn't mean he should. Corner threes in the flow of the offense is doable, but just spotting up is not useful to us. That long two will be there the same way it was there for smith and Bargnani.


You have no problem with that? Are you aware that the long two is the most inefficient shot in the game?

You really have to not buy into this media trope about long 2's. That's not really the focus of the Triangle. It's just one aspect of the offense that media guys have focused on but they don't tell you that the Triangle has been one of the more efficient offenses and just as efficient as any of today's offenses. The numbers prove that the Triangle has been one of the most efficient offenses and by focusing on the long 2's trope it tells a false story about the offense.

Listen you can't fake being efficient or not. You either have an efficient offense or you don't. Triangle has been efficient.

Nix. For the second time, I'm not taking shots at the offense itself, I'm taking shots against kyle o Quinn when he said he wanted to take longer twos triangle or no triangle. There is no need for him to be doing that you and me both know that.

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8/11/2015  6:28 PM
TPercy wrote:
nixluva wrote:
TPercy wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
TPercy wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
TPercy wrote:I actually kind of like what we did with our center position.
Lopez
Quinn
Seraphin

We have a high character ,leader who is a very solid rim protector-Lopez
We have O quinn who can be relied upon to protect the rim, be a really decent passer and score a little. The only thing that scares me is when he said in the Clyde interview.at Sl that he wants to take more longer twos.
Seraphin, who is a low risk high reward signing a really talented guy but has pretty poor Bball IQ.

more long 2's. Perfect! Phil is gonna really love this guy and has him saying all the right things.


Man you guys need to get a grip with this Triangle hate stuff. O'Quinn said that he had been working on his 3pt shot and was trying to extend his range. He's already good from midrange but was asked to shoot more corner 3's.

Kyle O’Quinn: “I’m working on the same things I always do. I’m trying to expand my game, learn from my mistakes last year and focus on little things like screen-setting, rolling out of screens faster, picking my spots on the pop shot. Of course, I’m working on my jump-shot, some go-to moves in the post, my conditioning and body, things like that. The biggest thing for me is sharpening up the things that I do well. I do want to get better at shooting corner threes. Last year, I was asked to do that and I want to keep working on that and expanding my range. I’m just sharpening everything so that I’m more comfortable and confident with my shot. At Impact, they help you become an all-around player, so I’ll be ready to play any role that’s asked of me. I’m following the Impact plan.”

I'm not hating on any triangle ,it.just concerns me that when kyle o Quinn was interviewed during the commentary of the spurs knicks game in summer league ,he said he wants to take more long twos.

Orlando was trying to force O'Quinn to be something he's not. That's why they fired their coaching staff. O'Quinn can shoot the three but it doesn't mean he should. Corner threes in the flow of the offense is doable, but just spotting up is not useful to us. That long two will be there the same way it was there for smith and Bargnani.


You have no problem with that? Are you aware that the long two is the most inefficient shot in the game?

You really have to not buy into this media trope about long 2's. That's not really the focus of the Triangle. It's just one aspect of the offense that media guys have focused on but they don't tell you that the Triangle has been one of the more efficient offenses and just as efficient as any of today's offenses. The numbers prove that the Triangle has been one of the most efficient offenses and by focusing on the long 2's trope it tells a false story about the offense.

Listen you can't fake being efficient or not. You either have an efficient offense or you don't. Triangle has been efficient.

Nix. For the second time, I'm not taking shots at the offense itself, I'm taking shots against kyle o Quinn when he said he wanted to take longer twos triangle or no triangle. There is no need for him to be doing that you and me both know that.


I still haven't seen or heard O'Quinn talk about taking more long 2's. The quote I posted above is about him being asked to work on his 3pt shot. The only prescribed 2pt shots for a big in the Triangle are the Elbow Jumpers in rhythm coming off a screen or flash to the Elbow or the Jumper you can take in the Pinch Post after the guard cuts thru. In any event these are good shots in the flow of the offense. They are NOT the only shots this offense creates.

Kyle mostly has taken his shots close to the basket and only a few 3's last year. He'll continue to be expected to take shots close to the basket.

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8/11/2015  8:07 PM
TPercy wrote:
nixluva wrote:
TPercy wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
TPercy wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
TPercy wrote:I actually kind of like what we did with our center position.
Lopez
Quinn
Seraphin

We have a high character ,leader who is a very solid rim protector-Lopez
We have O quinn who can be relied upon to protect the rim, be a really decent passer and score a little. The only thing that scares me is when he said in the Clyde interview.at Sl that he wants to take more longer twos.
Seraphin, who is a low risk high reward signing a really talented guy but has pretty poor Bball IQ.

more long 2's. Perfect! Phil is gonna really love this guy and has him saying all the right things.


Man you guys need to get a grip with this Triangle hate stuff. O'Quinn said that he had been working on his 3pt shot and was trying to extend his range. He's already good from midrange but was asked to shoot more corner 3's.

Kyle O’Quinn: “I’m working on the same things I always do. I’m trying to expand my game, learn from my mistakes last year and focus on little things like screen-setting, rolling out of screens faster, picking my spots on the pop shot. Of course, I’m working on my jump-shot, some go-to moves in the post, my conditioning and body, things like that. The biggest thing for me is sharpening up the things that I do well. I do want to get better at shooting corner threes. Last year, I was asked to do that and I want to keep working on that and expanding my range. I’m just sharpening everything so that I’m more comfortable and confident with my shot. At Impact, they help you become an all-around player, so I’ll be ready to play any role that’s asked of me. I’m following the Impact plan.”

I'm not hating on any triangle ,it.just concerns me that when kyle o Quinn was interviewed during the commentary of the spurs knicks game in summer league ,he said he wants to take more long twos.

Orlando was trying to force O'Quinn to be something he's not. That's why they fired their coaching staff. O'Quinn can shoot the three but it doesn't mean he should. Corner threes in the flow of the offense is doable, but just spotting up is not useful to us. That long two will be there the same way it was there for smith and Bargnani.


You have no problem with that? Are you aware that the long two is the most inefficient shot in the game?

You really have to not buy into this media trope about long 2's. That's not really the focus of the Triangle. It's just one aspect of the offense that media guys have focused on but they don't tell you that the Triangle has been one of the more efficient offenses and just as efficient as any of today's offenses. The numbers prove that the Triangle has been one of the most efficient offenses and by focusing on the long 2's trope it tells a false story about the offense.

Listen you can't fake being efficient or not. You either have an efficient offense or you don't. Triangle has been efficient.

Nix. For the second time, I'm not taking shots at the offense itself, I'm taking shots against kyle o Quinn when he said he wanted to take longer twos triangle or no triangle. There is no need for him to be doing that you and me both know that.

you gotta fix that multiple posting problem

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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8/11/2015  9:53 PM
Not including the draft, the more I look at our free agency, the more I'm happy with it. A lot of guys just re-upped with their own teams. I might've tried to reel in Monta Ellis and Bass instead of Rolo and D-Will but there weren't as many alternatives as you'd think. My main concerns are our quickness at guard and our rebounding. KP, Lopez, and Williams are going to get destroyed on the glass.
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8/12/2015  4:18 AM
With the Post reporting that we had a real shot at LMA before we went on and drafted KP to play his position, I think we should have made a harder push in that direction instead. A lineup of Melo-LMA-Mudiay-whoever-whoever in my opinion would have had a chance at the championship, while a Melo-KP-Grant-Lopez-Afflalo lineup has only an outside chance to just make the playoffs.
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8/12/2015  10:10 AM
Finestrg wrote:I really wish we could hit the rewind button and get the Lopez move back. Decent player although he feels like a glorified backup 5 to me. He'll fit in--I guess I'm just hung up on the money we gave him more than anything else. To give that guy 4 yrs/$13.5mm per on average was pretty ridiculous. It really precluded us from doing so much more...I know Phil, Steve and co. didn't have the luxury of looking into a crystal ball right before FA hit and that FA didn't go according to plan, but I wish they didn't settle for Robin Lopez on that gross overpay. When all the big FAs spurned us, I think it would've been wise to maintain flexibility. The Lopez signing feels real impulsive and reactionary to not being able to reel in one of the big fish...It would've been nice to have at least reached out to Alexis Ajinca early on in the process to gauge his intentions and to see if he would've been open to the possibility of joining the Knicks. 4 yrs/$20mm for Ajinca is a STEAL. MUCH MUCH BETTER buy over the 4 yrs/$54mm we gave Lopez imho. Ajinca would've been on my FA shopping list, ahead of Lopez, ahead of Kyle O'Quinn (and I like O'Quinn). In an alternate universe somewhere, we could've had Ajinca, a choice of O'Quinn or Seraphin + a more cost-effective big man (Thomas Robinson, Jerrelle Benimon, Maurice Ndour, Darion Atkins, we did resign Lou Amundson, Hernangomez will be a Knick the following season), Cory Joseph, Alexey Shved, D-Will & Afflalo to go along with the good draft we had. That would've felt like a much more complete revamp than what we wound up doing in actuality..When you look at it like that, the Lopez signing feels like a big-time misappropriation of funds. Just mho...We'll see how it goes.

RoPez is a starter and has proven as such. Not a great player and in this NBA decent centers get good money. Anjica is a back up and has yet to show he can play the big minutes. There are tangables to which Phil will look at players and also within the context of the triangle. Right or wrong phil has some proven commodities in Ropez and Affalo, sees O'Quinn as a good back up and has Dwilliams as his upside project. With KP and Grant you have three rotation guys that are young and have the upside. Adding Ndour or Ajica adds unproven aspect. They might have the upside but I think Phil wants a team that has solid vets and upside yoot.

Good discussion. I will be interesting to see ajica and what kind of minutes he players. Remember, not all guys can play starters minutes and plugging in "per 36" assumes the mind and body can do it.

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8/12/2015  11:47 AM
mreinman wrote:
TPercy wrote:
nixluva wrote:
TPercy wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
TPercy wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
TPercy wrote:I actually kind of like what we did with our center position.
Lopez
Quinn
Seraphin

We have a high character ,leader who is a very solid rim protector-Lopez
We have O quinn who can be relied upon to protect the rim, be a really decent passer and score a little. The only thing that scares me is when he said in the Clyde interview.at Sl that he wants to take more longer twos.
Seraphin, who is a low risk high reward signing a really talented guy but has pretty poor Bball IQ.

more long 2's. Perfect! Phil is gonna really love this guy and has him saying all the right things.


Man you guys need to get a grip with this Triangle hate stuff. O'Quinn said that he had been working on his 3pt shot and was trying to extend his range. He's already good from midrange but was asked to shoot more corner 3's.

Kyle O’Quinn: “I’m working on the same things I always do. I’m trying to expand my game, learn from my mistakes last year and focus on little things like screen-setting, rolling out of screens faster, picking my spots on the pop shot. Of course, I’m working on my jump-shot, some go-to moves in the post, my conditioning and body, things like that. The biggest thing for me is sharpening up the things that I do well. I do want to get better at shooting corner threes. Last year, I was asked to do that and I want to keep working on that and expanding my range. I’m just sharpening everything so that I’m more comfortable and confident with my shot. At Impact, they help you become an all-around player, so I’ll be ready to play any role that’s asked of me. I’m following the Impact plan.”

I'm not hating on any triangle ,it.just concerns me that when kyle o Quinn was interviewed during the commentary of the spurs knicks game in summer league ,he said he wants to take more long twos.

Orlando was trying to force O'Quinn to be something he's not. That's why they fired their coaching staff. O'Quinn can shoot the three but it doesn't mean he should. Corner threes in the flow of the offense is doable, but just spotting up is not useful to us. That long two will be there the same way it was there for smith and Bargnani.


You have no problem with that? Are you aware that the long two is the most inefficient shot in the game?

You really have to not buy into this media trope about long 2's. That's not really the focus of the Triangle. It's just one aspect of the offense that media guys have focused on but they don't tell you that the Triangle has been one of the more efficient offenses and just as efficient as any of today's offenses. The numbers prove that the Triangle has been one of the most efficient offenses and by focusing on the long 2's trope it tells a false story about the offense.

Listen you can't fake being efficient or not. You either have an efficient offense or you don't. Triangle has been efficient.

Nix. For the second time, I'm not taking shots at the offense itself, I'm taking shots against kyle o Quinn when he said he wanted to take longer twos triangle or no triangle. There is no need for him to be doing that you and me both know that.

you gotta fix that multiple posting problem


Yeah it alwaya happens when I use the kindle, ill be switching back to my computer when I get back to the states
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8/12/2015  11:55 AM
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nixluva wrote:
TPercy wrote:
nixluva wrote:
TPercy wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
TPercy wrote:
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:
TPercy wrote:I actually kind of like what we did with our center position.
Lopez
Quinn
Seraphin

We have a high character ,leader who is a very solid rim protector-Lopez
We have O quinn who can be relied upon to protect the rim, be a really decent passer and score a little. The only thing that scares me is when he said in the Clyde interview.at Sl that he wants to take more longer twos.
Seraphin, who is a low risk high reward signing a really talented guy but has pretty poor Bball IQ.

more long 2's. Perfect! Phil is gonna really love this guy and has him saying all the right things.


Man you guys need to get a grip with this Triangle hate stuff. O'Quinn said that he had been working on his 3pt shot and was trying to extend his range. He's already good from midrange but was asked to shoot more corner 3's.

Kyle O’Quinn: “I’m working on the same things I always do. I’m trying to expand my game, learn from my mistakes last year and focus on little things like screen-setting, rolling out of screens faster, picking my spots on the pop shot. Of course, I’m working on my jump-shot, some go-to moves in the post, my conditioning and body, things like that. The biggest thing for me is sharpening up the things that I do well. I do want to get better at shooting corner threes. Last year, I was asked to do that and I want to keep working on that and expanding my range. I’m just sharpening everything so that I’m more comfortable and confident with my shot. At Impact, they help you become an all-around player, so I’ll be ready to play any role that’s asked of me. I’m following the Impact plan.”

I'm not hating on any triangle ,it.just concerns me that when kyle o Quinn was interviewed during the commentary of the spurs knicks game in summer league ,he said he wants to take more long twos.

Orlando was trying to force O'Quinn to be something he's not. That's why they fired their coaching staff. O'Quinn can shoot the three but it doesn't mean he should. Corner threes in the flow of the offense is doable, but just spotting up is not useful to us. That long two will be there the same way it was there for smith and Bargnani.


You have no problem with that? Are you aware that the long two is the most inefficient shot in the game?

You really have to not buy into this media trope about long 2's. That's not really the focus of the Triangle. It's just one aspect of the offense that media guys have focused on but they don't tell you that the Triangle has been one of the more efficient offenses and just as efficient as any of today's offenses. The numbers prove that the Triangle has been one of the most efficient offenses and by focusing on the long 2's trope it tells a false story about the offense.

Listen you can't fake being efficient or not. You either have an efficient offense or you don't. Triangle has been efficient.

Nix. For the second time, I'm not taking shots at the offense itself, I'm taking shots against kyle o Quinn when he said he wanted to take longer twos triangle or no triangle. There is no need for him to be doing that you and me both know that.


I still haven't seen or heard O'Quinn talk about taking more long 2's. The quote I posted above is about him being asked to work on his 3pt shot. The only prescribed 2pt shots for a big in the Triangle are the Elbow Jumpers in rhythm coming off a screen or flash to the Elbow or the Jumper you can take in the Pinch Post after the guard cuts thru. In any event these are good shots in the flow of the offense. They are NOT the only shots this offense creates.

Kyle mostly has taken his shots close to the basket and only a few 3's last year. He'll continue to be expected to take shots close to the basket.


it was the first game of summer league during commentary after the first time out
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8/12/2015  12:04 PM
I think you have to love

Affalo
Quinn
Grant
Seraphin

Signings. All were low cost manuevers and each guy will be a valuable contributor. I think the only head scratcher was Williams. You can't not overpay a guy when you ask him to wait around and see if you sign DeAndre Jordan. Lopez is a solid center that got overpaid by about 2.5MM a year not terrible.

Guys that took reasonable deals that might have been interesting.

Scola - 3MM - but he wanted to play for a contender
Brandon Wright - again contender
Gerald Green - Riley has proven himself in 3 cities and taken 3 teams to the finals

But, i think it's a sneaky good offseason and if melo buys in these pieces will fit nicely around him and realy put him in a position for success. Wasn't really much else the team could have done.

Alternatives to the players Phil brought in

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