CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:why is this even a thread. thiboudeaux is not a practiced triangle coach and is not going to work seamlessly with jackson... get your foot off of fisher's neck and let him prove himself this season! maybe, as with the draft and free agent acquisitions, he too will make us feel encouraged. young coaches need a chance to develop just like players.

Agree again. Nice.

I think for the 1st time this is a franchise in Synch from the bottom to the top. We've got to allow this team to grow together. We've got a young coach and some young players to root for and they seem to fit for the most part. It's gonna be interesting to watch this group grow together.

Rookie wrote:

dk7th wrote:why is this even a thread. thiboudeaux is not a practiced triangle coach and is not going to work seamlessly with jackson... get your foot off of fisher's neck and let him prove himself this season! maybe, as with the draft and free agent acquisitions, he too will make us feel encouraged. young coaches need a chance to develop just like players.

Thibideau is on paid vacation. He probably has something in his contract with Chicago that says if he takes a new job for equal or more money, they don't have to pay him the balance of his contract. This is about next season. Thibs isn't taking a job in season. It's also about the heat that Fisher and the triangle will get if this team underachieves in this system. 52 or more in the loss column and this thread is relevant.

never mind about the triangle... if you guesstimate simply by the win shares of the new players (from trades and free agency) over the players they have replaced that is around 8 more wins, perhaps ten. that's 25-27 wins right there.

therefore for your scenario it would mean that melo is uncooperative and disgruntled/injured PLUS grant and kris are bad.

Rookie wrote:

dk7th wrote:why is this even a thread. thiboudeaux is not a practiced triangle coach and is not going to work seamlessly with jackson... get your foot off of fisher's neck and let him prove himself this season! maybe, as with the draft and free agent acquisitions, he too will make us feel encouraged. young coaches need a chance to develop just like players.

Thibideau is on paid vacation. He probably has something in his contract with Chicago that says if he takes a new job for equal or more money, they don't have to pay him the balance of his contract. This is about next season. Thibs isn't taking a job in season. It's also about the heat that Fisher and the triangle will get if this team underachieves in this system. 52 or more in the loss column and this thread is relevant.

This is a team full of players that actually want to be here now. Most of these guys are solid character guys who believe in Team and have shown that they are team players. That's going to make a HUGE difference in how they work and the effort they put into becoming a good team. There's more talent and talent that fits the style of ball they want to play.

Fisher didn't really have issues with drawing up plays or setting his lineups after the trade. Things settled down a lot as he worked in the new players. The team actually started to compete and wins some games. If he had a healthy Melo to close the year there's no way he loses as many games. Good health is always important and hopefully we catch a break this year compared to previous seasons.

blkexec wrote:Why does everything have to be based on race? Thats the cop out lazy analysis of many people. The challenge is to look beyond race first, and just maybe there are other variables to consider.....

Is it a cop out?

LeBron James leaves Cleveland in what is seen as one of the most bizarre and self damaging marketing tactics in human history with "The Decision" and then after Dan Gilbert blasts him in the infamous "Comic Sans font letter", Jesse Jackson immediately goes public and accuses Gilbert of racism.

LeBron James, battered in the press over and over about The Decision, finally looking for any kind of daylight and rope, finally says, well the backlash is in part due to racism because he's black. After which Charles Barkley says LBJ is stupid, no one hates LBJ for being black ,they hate him for taking a big fat crap on his hometown in public in an embarrassing display of arrogance.

Donald Sterling, rightly, gets run over the rails. However no one wants to talk about earlier before Doc Rivers came to town that Chris Paul openly says he'd rather play for a black coach than a white one. What do you think would happen if Steve Nash said that?

Danny Ferry gets run over the coals and run out of town for comments with the Hawks, however Shaq gets fewer All Star votes than Yao Ming, then does a 'ching chong' mock speak on the radio to mock Yao Ming, and gets no suspension and no fine.

Kobe Bryant, in Colorado, battered and cornered for what he did, finally his lawyer comes out, seeing his endorsements burn and his client at risk for life in prison, at Kobe's behest, claims racism is a factor ( you know, not that ENTIRE RAPING SOMEONE THING AND THAT BEING A CRIME ISSUE)

Even outside of the NBA, Actor Isaiah Washington is accused of saying something negative about a gay castmate, in which finally, cornered and ripped apart by brutal and negative PR in gay friendly Hollywood and the liberal media, finally relents and claims racism is a factor in what he called a "witchhunt"

Take it to the bank. If Thibs was the Knicks coach, he would DEMAND CONSISTENCY, EFFORT AND PRODUCTION ON DEFENSE. He is a known defensive coach. Guess who has never shown real consistency , effort or production on defense? Melo. I can assure you, defense or lack of it would be a hot button issue between coach and player and Melo has never pulled punches about using the press to attack people on the Knicks, and that would include Thibs if Thibs was a Knick coach, to serve his own agenda.

Sorry dude, time and time again, when pushed into a corner because of issue of merit, black athletes and even celebrities consistently run to the race card to try to bail themselves out.

Then again, how much objectivity am I going to get about blacks in pro sports and the NBA using racism as a PR defense card from a guy who calls himself "blkexec" and compares himself to NBA veterans on the court constantly.

Thibs is a great coach. However he's a coach who will actually have choices when he decides to return to coaching. Coaches in that position have the leverage to not go to teams they know will be bad situations for them. Just like Coach K decided Kobe Bryant's pleas for him to coach the Lakers wasn't enough to leave his living God status at Duke for a toxic situation. Melo gets what Melo wants, even if it kills the team. Why would Thibs want to come here and deal with a player with an established Don't Try/Don't Care/Screw You attitude about defense, with regards to a known defensive coach? Its like having someone drink a gallon of gasoline and pissing in your campfire.

If Thibs and Melo were together on the same team, it would eventually be an all out war in the press. Thibs demanding Melo play real defense and Melo digging for anything, and yes including the vaunted race card, to try to obscure the fact that he's a one dimensional selfish chucker who cares more about being some CEO type than winning basketball games. Melo had no problem tweeting and talking to the press about being "hoodwinked" and hating the Knicks draft, you think he will hesitate to claim racism if he's under media fire for his absolute disgrace of what he calls defensive play?

Winning record in Chicago and all, but he just runs his players into the ground. Rose always hurt, Noah, pretty much all his key guys always missed alot of time.

A coach like Thibs would ruin young KP. Let Fisher continue the rebuild, it's only his 2nd season.

TripleThreat wrote:

blkexec wrote:Why does everything have to be based on race? Thats the cop out lazy analysis of many people. The challenge is to look beyond race first, and just maybe there are other variables to consider.....

Is it a cop out?

LeBron James leaves Cleveland in what is seen as one of the most bizarre and self damaging marketing tactics in human history with "The Decision" and then after Dan Gilbert blasts him in the infamous "Comic Sans font letter", Jesse Jackson immediately goes public and accuses Gilbert of racism.

LeBron James, battered in the press over and over about The Decision, finally looking for any kind of daylight and rope, finally says, well the backlash is in part due to racism because he's black. After which Charles Barkley says LBJ is stupid, no one hates LBJ for being black ,they hate him for taking a big fat crap on his hometown in public in an embarrassing display of arrogance.

Donald Sterling, rightly, gets run over the rails. However no one wants to talk about earlier before Doc Rivers came to town that Chris Paul openly says he'd rather play for a black coach than a white one. What do you think would happen if Steve Nash said that?

Danny Ferry gets run over the coals and run out of town for comments with the Hawks, however Shaq gets fewer All Star votes than Yao Ming, then does a 'ching chong' mock speak on the radio to mock Yao Ming, and gets no suspension and no fine.

Kobe Bryant, in Colorado, battered and cornered for what he did, finally his lawyer comes out, seeing his endorsements burn and his client at risk for life in prison, at Kobe's behest, claims racism is a factor ( you know, not that ENTIRE RAPING SOMEONE THING AND THAT BEING A CRIME ISSUE)

Even outside of the NBA, Actor Isaiah Washington is accused of saying something negative about a gay castmate, in which finally, cornered and ripped apart by brutal and negative PR in gay friendly Hollywood and the liberal media, finally relents and claims racism is a factor in what he called a "witchhunt"

Take it to the bank. If Thibs was the Knicks coach, he would DEMAND CONSISTENCY, EFFORT AND PRODUCTION ON DEFENSE. He is a known defensive coach. Guess who has never shown real consistency , effort or production on defense? Melo. I can assure you, defense or lack of it would be a hot button issue between coach and player and Melo has never pulled punches about using the press to attack people on the Knicks, and that would include Thibs if Thibs was a Knick coach, to serve his own agenda.

Sorry dude, time and time again, when pushed into a corner because of issue of merit, black athletes and even celebrities consistently run to the race card to try to bail themselves out.

Then again, how much objectivity am I going to get about blacks in pro sports and the NBA using racism as a PR defense card from a guy who calls himself "blkexec" and compares himself to NBA veterans on the court constantly.

Thibs is a great coach. However he's a coach who will actually have choices when he decides to return to coaching. Coaches in that position have the leverage to not go to teams they know will be bad situations for them. Just like Coach K decided Kobe Bryant's pleas for him to coach the Lakers wasn't enough to leave his living God status at Duke for a toxic situation. Melo gets what Melo wants, even if it kills the team. Why would Thibs want to come here and deal with a player with an established Don't Try/Don't Care/Screw You attitude about defense, with regards to a known defensive coach? Its like having someone drink a gallon of gasoline and pissing in your campfire.

If Thibs and Melo were together on the same team, it would eventually be an all out war in the press. Thibs demanding Melo play real defense and Melo digging for anything, and yes including the vaunted race card, to try to obscure the fact that he's a one dimensional selfish chucker who cares more about being some CEO type than winning basketball games. Melo had no problem tweeting and talking to the press about being "hoodwinked" and hating the Knicks draft, you think he will hesitate to claim racism if he's under media fire for his absolute disgrace of what he calls defensive play?

No way dude, this is an awful post on so many different levels. You and only you have brought racism into a topic that lacked it and then took it to a new level.